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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
But they can't go back-to-back. Grillary? Meh. Too forced.
But they can't go back-to-back. Grillary? Meh. Too forced.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
This is where I depart with the right or even the middle. I just don't think her downside is that bad. Every serious politician that doesn't want to completely blow up our way of doing things is signed up with big business. It just matters which businesses and to what extent. They're all there. Where she does stand out is on this email issue. But if you've been operating in or around the white house for over 20 years and that's the worst thing on your resume? You deserve all the cake. So her positives is she has umpteen times the relevant experience of any other candidates...without that much really bad baggage. If she had any charisma, this wouldn't even be a thread.
This is where I depart with the right or even the middle. I just don't think her downside is that bad. Every serious politician that doesn't want to completely blow up our way of doing things is signed up with big business. It just matters which businesses and to what extent. They're all there. Where she does stand out is on this email issue. But if you've been operating in or around the white house for over 20 years and that's the worst thing on your resume? You deserve all the cake. So her positives is she has umpteen times the relevant experience of any other candidates...without that much really bad baggage. If she had any charisma, this wouldn't even be a thread.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
NRO may be clueless of their partial responsibility for turning the GOP into an actual fascist party, but they sure don't like it when it goes against them.
It's everybody's fault but theirs. The conservative elite cannot fail, they can only be failed.
NRO may be clueless of their partial responsibility for turning the GOP into an actual fascist party, but they sure don't like it when it goes against them.
It's everybody's fault but theirs. The conservative elite cannot fail, they can only be failed.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
This should salve moderate conservative worry about Clinton, while likely bugging some of my liberal friends. Personally I applaud it -- idealistic goals go nowhere without pragmatic leadership and bridge-building.
Movement conservatives and Professional Media Warriors will doubtless treat her just like Obama, unwilling (and unable because of their constituents) to compromise with their Cardboard Cutout Satan, but those zealots and con men have put themselves outside the conversation in any case. There will be room for sincere adults of both parties.
This should salve moderate conservative worry about Clinton, while likely bugging some of my liberal friends. Personally I applaud it -- idealistic goals go nowhere without pragmatic leadership and bridge-building.
Movement conservatives and Professional Media Warriors will doubtless treat her just like Obama, unwilling (and unable because of their constituents) to compromise with their Cardboard Cutout Satan, but those zealots and con men have put themselves outside the conversation in any case. There will be room for sincere adults of both parties.
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
That's a lovely tome by the Times, but the base claim is someone after election will run to the middle. Candidates run to the base in the primaries; run to the middle in the general; and then have to satisfy the donors in office. I don't recall a run to the middle by anyone after getting elected.
That's a lovely tome by the Times, but the base claim is someone after election will run to the middle. Candidates run to the base in the primaries; run to the middle in the general; and then have to satisfy the donors in office. I don't recall a run to the middle by anyone after getting elected.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
538's prediction -- likelihood, EV and Pop % -- to be updated daily from now until election night.
Current Clinton numbers:
78% likelihood
343 EV (270 to win)
48.7% PV
538's prediction -- likelihood, EV and Pop % -- to be updated daily from now until election night.
Current Clinton numbers:
78% likelihood
343 EV (270 to win)
48.7% PV
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Barring anything of major consequence for either candidate (Clinton being indicted or a recent picture surfacing of Trump wearing the pointed hood of a KKK costume or him getting dumped by the party in Cleveland) I think the only thing to wonder about in this election is which state can Clinton win that democratic candidates have been consistently losing for the last 7 or 8 elections to win a landslide (at least an electoral college landslide -- there are far too many bigots among our people for her to win a popular landslide) or which states that Obama won in 2008 or 2012 could Trump possibly pick up to either make this a nail biter or to actually win?
Barring anything of major consequence for either candidate (Clinton being indicted or a recent picture surfacing of Trump wearing the pointed hood of a KKK costume or him getting dumped by the party in Cleveland) I think the only thing to wonder about in this election is which state can Clinton win that democratic candidates have been consistently losing for the last 7 or 8 elections to win a landslide (at least an electoral college landslide -- there are far too many bigots among our people for her to win a popular landslide) or which states that Obama won in 2008 or 2012 could Trump possibly pick up to either make this a nail biter or to actually win?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
For Clinton, it's tough. Heavily Latino states that were within 10 points? AZ or maybe GA I guess? UT if the Mormon hatred of Trump is real.
For Trump I'd look at the whitest states that Obama has taken in non-landslide numbers: NH, ME and IA, maybe CO.
For Clinton, it's tough. Heavily Latino states that were within 10 points? AZ or maybe GA I guess? UT if the Mormon hatred of Trump is real.
For Trump I'd look at the whitest states that Obama has taken in non-landslide numbers: NH, ME and IA, maybe CO.
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It's possible trump will take one electoral vote from Maine. The second district is full of dumb rednecks and trump is polling even with Hillary there. Hillary has a comfortable lead in the first district. (Full disclosure, I live in a blue town in the red second district. )
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Why the difference in districts? Rural vs city?
Why the difference in districts? Rural vs city?
unofan
Well-known member
NE-2 (ie Omaha) could go hillary to offset that.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Please. It would give Trump a six point boost and lock up the southern vote.
This man could put a puppy into a burlap sack, light it on fire, and dump it into the Hudson on live TV, shout that Hillary would have dumped a truck load of kittens, and get a boost in the polls.
Please. It would give Trump a six point boost and lock up the southern vote.
This man could put a puppy into a burlap sack, light it on fire, and dump it into the Hudson on live TV, shout that Hillary would have dumped a truck load of kittens, and get a boost in the polls.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
That's the one Obama got in 2008, right?
I thought the NE state leg redrew that so it wouldn't happen again.
That's the one Obama got in 2008, right?
I thought the NE state leg redrew that so it wouldn't happen again.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
I don't know if this is facetious or not, but I think you're actually correct, it would boost him in the polls. But unless it gives him a clear majority, it would be the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as the party establishment goes and they'd kick him off the stage and off the ticket.
I don't know if this is facetious or not, but I think you're actually correct, it would boost him in the polls. But unless it gives him a clear majority, it would be the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as the party establishment goes and they'd kick him off the stage and off the ticket.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
This will just renew all of the "Hillary the Drunk" memes and speculation that amuse the far-right corners of the Internet.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Yes, District 1 is Portland area, aka northern Mass , District 2 is a modern day wasteland where most chances at a decent living are gone( exception being along coast) While I agree Trump has a chance at D2, I doubt he wins it
First district included greater Portland. Second district is the rest of the state.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maine%27s_1st_congressional_district
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Given the mess that is Campaign 2016, I think Washington's Farewell Address might be a good review. Yeah, it's long. Put it on the reader.
And if you really are that lazy, here's the 21st Century "Cliff's Notes".
Given the mess that is Campaign 2016, I think Washington's Farewell Address might be a good review. Yeah, it's long. Put it on the reader.
And if you really are that lazy, here's the 21st Century "Cliff's Notes".
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