mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
That's what you get for either giving to a campaign or worse yet, allowing federal matching funds.
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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!
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That's what you get for either giving to a campaign or worse yet, allowing federal matching funds.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Because Trump is the alternative. There is no alternate universe where Gary Johnson is a legitimate contender for the White House.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
It's not a problem if you cap campaign spending. Give each nominee from a party that took at least 10% of the vote in that office in the prior election $250 million for prez ($50M for the Senate, $20M for the House, etc...) All campaign expenditures must be recorded and come from these funds. No other funding sources are allowed. Campaigning must be from the nominee -- all other ads are embargoed. Use the money well. And... begin!
It's not a problem if you cap campaign spending. Give each nominee from a party that took at least 10% of the vote in that office in the prior election $250 million for prez ($50M for the Senate, $20M for the House, etc...) All campaign expenditures must be recorded and come from these funds. No other funding sources are allowed. Campaigning must be from the nominee -- all other ads are embargoed. Use the money well. And... begin!
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busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
After catching up here I am now ready to accept bets on which campaign will use the following phrase first:
Not Illegal, Just Incompetent
Odds will be posted later
After catching up here I am now ready to accept bets on which campaign will use the following phrase first:
Not Illegal, Just Incompetent
Odds will be posted later
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
I can respect Ryan's candor, at least. I agree that Ayn Rand acolytes are just flat out wrong in almost everything they believe*, but at least Ryan puts on enough airs to convince you that he respects the integrity of the system and would prefer to keep the election to the issues instead of the three ring circus it's become. If I wasn't so against much of what he stands for, I'd wish he was running for president.
* Namely that this seems to be their thought process: "My successes are because of my unparalleled genius!" "Your successes are because of wasteful handouts!" "My failures are because of people holding me back!" "Your failures are because you are lazy!"
It's a sad state of affairs that Johnson won't likely get enough of a pop to be a major player. I consider myself a moderate, but not in a way that makes me a libertarian (although I'd be more inclined if the overlap of "libertarians" and "people who think incremental tax rates are the devil" weren't so large)... but he's the only one really worth taking seriously at this point.
I can respect Ryan's candor, at least. I agree that Ayn Rand acolytes are just flat out wrong in almost everything they believe*, but at least Ryan puts on enough airs to convince you that he respects the integrity of the system and would prefer to keep the election to the issues instead of the three ring circus it's become. If I wasn't so against much of what he stands for, I'd wish he was running for president.
* Namely that this seems to be their thought process: "My successes are because of my unparalleled genius!" "Your successes are because of wasteful handouts!" "My failures are because of people holding me back!" "Your failures are because you are lazy!"
It's a sad state of affairs that Johnson won't likely get enough of a pop to be a major player. I consider myself a moderate, but not in a way that makes me a libertarian (although I'd be more inclined if the overlap of "libertarians" and "people who think incremental tax rates are the devil" weren't so large)... but he's the only one really worth taking seriously at this point.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
I want him in the debates. His side is sane and should be heard from.
I have often thought that an America where the two major parties are Socialists and Libertarians would be far preferable to what we have today. The D/R parties are misaligned from where most Americans are.
I want him in the debates. His side is sane and should be heard from.
I have often thought that an America where the two major parties are Socialists and Libertarians would be far preferable to what we have today. The D/R parties are misaligned from where most Americans are.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Although I agree with much of what you say, Ryan explicitly cut himself off from candor when he accepted the Speaker spot. At that point he took on a sort of fiduciary responsibility to his party that makes him, among other things, unable to refuse to support Trump as the nominee.
With that action I believe he lost whatever pretensions he might have had to being an honest dealer.
If he were to resign his Speakership and then say "I cannot in good conscience support this Tapioca Nazi," he would have taken back his balls.
Although I agree with much of what you say, Ryan explicitly cut himself off from candor when he accepted the Speaker spot. At that point he took on a sort of fiduciary responsibility to his party that makes him, among other things, unable to refuse to support Trump as the nominee.
With that action I believe he lost whatever pretensions he might have had to being an honest dealer.
If he were to resign his Speakership and then say "I cannot in good conscience support this Tapioca Nazi," he would have taken back his balls.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
So then you would want Bush and his cronies in jail for this right? I mean leaking the name of operatives is ten times worse than what Hillary did and you know it. I hate Hillary as much as the next guy but this BS being spewed by talk radio and the morons on Facebook needs to end and fast. Or do you really believe Obama is going to run for a 3rd term and steal all your guns too
So then you would want Bush and his cronies in jail for this right? I mean leaking the name of operatives is ten times worse than what Hillary did and you know it. I hate Hillary as much as the next guy but this BS being spewed by talk radio and the morons on Facebook needs to end and fast. Or do you really believe Obama is going to run for a 3rd term and steal all your guns too
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Two weeks ago I put 1200 miles on a rental car that I picked up on a Monday at 10:00 and returned on Wednesday at 21:00. I made four major and two minor customer visits.
A whole 5000 miles in a year? Amateurs. That's nothing.
Two weeks ago I put 1200 miles on a rental car that I picked up on a Monday at 10:00 and returned on Wednesday at 21:00. I made four major and two minor customer visits.
A whole 5000 miles in a year? Amateurs. That's nothing.
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Seriously? Seriously?
http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/stupid/dnc-rnc-plan-645391
So they'll go after Trump for small fingers and spray tans? Why not policy? Why go to the Trumpian tactics if you're so much better? < sigh >
PS - I love GussDos. I wonder when (s)he'll start leaking the 110 email chains.
Seriously? Seriously?
http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/stupid/dnc-rnc-plan-645391
So they'll go after Trump for small fingers and spray tans? Why not policy? Why go to the Trumpian tactics if you're so much better? < sigh >
PS - I love GussDos. I wonder when (s)he'll start leaking the 110 email chains.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
You seriously need to ask that question?
You seriously need to ask that question?
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
C'mon. Everyone knew she was a covert CIA operative. Everyone.
So then you would want Bush and his cronies in jail for this right? I mean leaking the name of operatives is ten times worse than what Hillary did and you know it. I hate Hillary as much as the next guy but this BS being spewed by talk radio and the morons on Facebook needs to end and fast. Or do you really believe Obama is going to run for a 3rd term and steal all your guns too
C'mon. Everyone knew she was a covert CIA operative. Everyone.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
public?!!! no freaking way!!!! mookie would rather have bridges and schools and roads from his tax $$$$. thankyouverymuch.
public?!!! no freaking way!!!! mookie would rather have bridges and schools and roads from his tax $$$$. thankyouverymuch.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Why do I just know that mookie is thinking about more leather than just MK's dress ... < cold shiver >
Mookie approves of the outfit MK is wearing there
Why do I just know that mookie is thinking about more leather than just MK's dress ... < cold shiver >
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Rand concepts and her supporters are anywhere between horrible and annoying. Much of that is due to style rather than substance. I vote D all the time...but there's nothing wrong with rewarding productive executives who earn it, making sure that transfer payments are tied to incentives and progress, reduced business regulation, and that we motivate and encourage those less fortunate to go improve their lives. Its when we turn that into accusatory, inflamatory and elitist that the Rand approach becomes terribly counter productive.
Rand concepts and her supporters are anywhere between horrible and annoying. Much of that is due to style rather than substance. I vote D all the time...but there's nothing wrong with rewarding productive executives who earn it, making sure that transfer payments are tied to incentives and progress, reduced business regulation, and that we motivate and encourage those less fortunate to go improve their lives. Its when we turn that into accusatory, inflamatory and elitist that the Rand approach becomes terribly counter productive.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Your tax dollars go to corporate welfare now because of bribery.
You can either pay 1% of your taxes for public financing of elections and get the other 99% back in public goods, or not pay the 1% and lose all the rest of the 99% to the 1%'s rapine.
Your choice.
Your tax dollars go to corporate welfare now because of bribery.
You can either pay 1% of your taxes for public financing of elections and get the other 99% back in public goods, or not pay the 1% and lose all the rest of the 99% to the 1%'s rapine.
Your choice.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
He has probably gone further down that road than almost any major player in the GOP, hasn't he? It's one of the reasons I can respect him as much as my conscience allows.
He has probably gone further down that road than almost any major player in the GOP, hasn't he? It's one of the reasons I can respect him as much as my conscience allows.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
I get your point...but that is a hard one to defend. The country is really made up of 4 segments - 1) blue collar whites/minorites 2) educated and progressive dems 3) fiscal conservatives (include most libertarians) 4) social and patriotic conservatives.
Right now the D party is trying to house the first two...and the GOP the second two. They're not doing a perfect job, but the best they can. One could argue we could have four parties doing this...but I'd believe that there'd have to be some major adjustments to the other parties and the socialist party just doesn't really fit.
I get your point...but that is a hard one to defend. The country is really made up of 4 segments - 1) blue collar whites/minorites 2) educated and progressive dems 3) fiscal conservatives (include most libertarians) 4) social and patriotic conservatives.
Right now the D party is trying to house the first two...and the GOP the second two. They're not doing a perfect job, but the best they can. One could argue we could have four parties doing this...but I'd believe that there'd have to be some major adjustments to the other parties and the socialist party just doesn't really fit.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop
Someone has to be in power, and those that aren't want to influence those that are, whether it's for financial gain or to simply be left alive.
Paying tribute to people in power has been going on a lot longer than the need to raise hundreds of millions for tv ads. Capping the spending, or even reorganizing it so that the money comes from payments through the government won't even remotely harm the "cash for influence" system that is inherent in any system in which people are granted the power to mess with other people's lives. And the thing is, it's not even unique to representative democracies. It occurs in dictatorships as well.
Someone has to be in power, and those that aren't want to influence those that are, whether it's for financial gain or to simply be left alive.
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