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Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Populi!

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The Sicatoka said:
She rails against them, but takes their money?

She can "earn" the buck, but let's not pretend she hasn't become beholden to them in the process. It's that or she's extorting them (with the threat of a possible Presidency).

And PS - If I'm a "knuckledragger" for asking about this so too must be Bernie.
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Sic you're a card carrying knuckledragger! Wear it loud and proud.

How can she be beholden to everybody? If the enviros and big business are both giving her money for example, doesn't that become a wash?

Sanders is senile. If you're claiming senility too, that's cool.
 
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Rover, why always the name calling and personal attacks. You make decent arguments that you immediately discredit with schoolyard tact.

And Bernie is senile. Really. The Ds were going to send out a senile 74 year old to be President? (Then again, the Rs are going to send a 60-something nut out ... )
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Rover, why always the name calling and personal attacks. You make decent arguments that you immediately discredit with schoolyard tact.

And Bernie is senile. Really. The Ds were going to send out a senile 74 year old to be President? (Then again, the Rs are going to send a 60-something nut out ... )
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Because I gotta be me! But if you continue to regurgitate ridiculous right wing talking points I will label you as such. If you don't I won't. Its not too much more complicated than that. However I will try to do a better job separating you from the Fishy's and Flaggy's of the world.

In all seriousness and I know I'm going to get some scorn for this, but Bernie Sanders has been shown to have some serious mental issues IMHO. It may just be the stress of the campaign, or if losing for the first time in a while. However he either is divorced from reality or he's a raging narcissist. That's not to say he hasn't brought up good issues, but the man himself has issues.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Rover, why always the name calling and personal attacks. You make decent arguments that you immediately discredit with schoolyard tact.

And Bernie is senile. Really. The Ds were going to send out a senile 74 year old to be President? (Then again, the Rs are going to send a 60-something nut out ... )
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You do understand Rover doesnt like Bernie and openly attacks his supporters right?
 
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Handyman said:
You do understand Rover doesnt like Bernie and openly attacks his supporters right?
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You inadvertently bring up a good point. I don't dislike Sanders supporters. I dislike fantasyland. Right wingers have been peddling fantasyland for decades. I don't feel the need to do the same on the left. Some Sanders people, perhaps even most, are coming around to the idea that they will pick the one of the two remaining candidates who are closest to their views. But, there are a smaller group of idiots who think electing Trump won't be so bad. These people need to be exposed to public ridicule until they get lost.
 
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5mn_Major said:
So Bernie's central goal is not about furthering the Dem prospects in the fall and therefore advancing the liberal cause. He really should run as an independent.
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You never go full Nader.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Rover, why always the name calling and personal attacks. You make decent arguments that you immediately discredit with schoolyard tact.
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How long have been looking at the political threads? Just long enough for my lunacy? :p:D
 
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Handyman said:
You do understand Rover doesnt like Bernie and openly attacks his supporters right?
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Probably about as much as Rover understands I don't like the GOP candidates, considering he lumped me in with Fishy... :eek:
 
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Rover said:
You inadvertently bring up a good point. I don't dislike Sanders supporters. I dislike fantasyland.
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You shouldn't make assumptions, Rover. Some of us are both Sanders supporters and utter pragmatists.

Just because you have lofty goals doesn't mean you aren't perfectly capable of understanding and practicing politics as it occurs in the real world.

But your knee-jerk dismissal of any idea that's to your left as "fantasy" is exactly the same thing that conservatives do when they say universal health care is fantasy or a foreign policy based on diplomacy rather than militarism is fantasy. It's an attempt to forestall, discredit and destroy by ridicule. It isn't an argument on the merits, it's an assertion of personal opinion in such an obnoxious manner that it undermines you.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
That's a pre-requisite to run for the job.
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This is true. We've had one president since Ike who wasn't a raging narcissist, and that guy wasn't elected to the office.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
She rails against them, but takes their money?
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Does that mean she's not on the take then? Biting the hand that feeds you. What a novelty.

Repubs ought to try it sometime.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part XIII: Clinton destrueretur est. Trump est destruetur. Vox Pop

The Sicatoka said:
Rover, why always the name calling and personal attacks. You make decent arguments that you immediately discredit with schoolyard tact.

And Bernie is senile. Really. The Ds were going to send out a senile 74 year old to be President? (Then again, the Rs are going to send a 60-something nut out ... )
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26 years after the Repubs already did it.
 
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Kepler said:
You shouldn't make assumptions, Rover. Some of us are both Sanders supporters and utter pragmatists.

Just because you have lofty goals doesn't mean you aren't perfectly capable of understanding and practicing politics as it occurs in the real world.

But your knee-jerk dismissal of any idea that's to your left as "fantasy" is exactly the same thing that conservatives do when they say universal health care is fantasy or a foreign policy based on diplomacy rather than militarism is fantasy. It's an attempt to forestall, discredit and destroy by ridicule. It isn't an argument on the merits, it's an assertion of personal opinion in such an obnoxious manner that it undermines you.
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This would have a lot more resonance if your own hero Bernie Sanders didn't label everybody who doesn't agree with him as a DINO corporate sellout whore. Look at his enemies list of closet conservatives. Barney Frank? Dan Malloy? Barbara Boxer? John Lewis? Sherrod Brown???

I have no problem with people voting Bernie. I have a problem with the Messiah Complex. A quote I saw once said it all: "I'm looking for a political candidate flaws and all, not a religion."
 
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