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Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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I agree that its very unlikely that bosses discourage or are even anything less than supportive on average. Its more likely the...'boy, you know I'd love to vote...but the big meeting fell on today...I guess next time'. People create short term work related excuses to not vote...just like they create short term work related excuses to not go on vacations.
What apparently escapes the lefties is that in presidential election years we maybe run 55%-60% voter turnout. In non-presidential election years we run something like 35%, and I don't think that number has been increasing. So, are 40 million people able to escape their evil bosses and the time rigors of every day life to vote during presidential elections but not during the other elections??? Or, maybe they're just shiftless and lackadaisical?
 
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It might have been in certain states, but never at the federal level.

I disagree with election day being a holiday. Making time for voting during a normal day shows commitment to self governance. If you can't be inconvenienced a little one time per year, then I don't care if you vote or not.

As to those holidays with free bus rides, those are anti-drunk driving efforts put on by Metro Transit, not in specific celebration of New Years Day or the Irish a few months later.

I know what they are, and that doesnt change my opinion of them. If they can give drunks free rides home they can give people rides to vote.

And you realize not everyone can make the time to vote right? They should forfeit their right because of that?
 
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That's a failure of the local polling locations, either intentionally (Phoenix location stories come to mind) or accidentally. I've never had to stand in line more than 20 minutes waiting to vote.

When the Gay Marriage amendment was up in Minnesota there was a line for 3 blocks at the Uptown polling spot by my then apartment. I have seen plenty of times where there are long lines at polling places in this state.
 
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B.S. It's hilarious how lefties are quick to accept anecdotal "evidence" that my evil boss just wouldn't let me leave in time to vote as gospel (pun intended) but anecdotal evidence of voter fraud as so much hooey.

There is literally no credible evidence that a person's obligation to get up and go to work during election day interferes one bit with a person's ability or willingness to go and cast a vote. What you hate to admit is probably 50% of the population really doesn't care to vote one way or the other.

I do have a very low opinion of the electorate in general. Segments are lazy, shiftless, lackadaisical, refuse to become informed and as a result turn out uninterested. The fact that parties feel the need to beat the bushes on election day to guilt, embarrass, force, coddle or bribe people to go to the polls bothers me not because of alleged voter fraud (which is largely mythical), but because if that is really what is necessary to get you there I don't deem you worthy of having a say in how we run things.

No offense, but who are you to decide who deserves the right to vote or not?
 
No offense, but who are you to decide who deserves the right to vote or not?
I don't decide. It's my opinion. But I will vote and support positions that share that opinion. And, I'll probably win, because I'm one of the few who vote.
 
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If you want to complete the poutrage, suggest getting rid of Christmas as a federal holiday to make up for it....

Put it on Eid al-Fitr. Watch the heads a-splode.
 
I know what they are, and that doesnt change my opinion of them. If they can give drunks free rides home they can give people rides to vote.

And you realize not everyone can make the time to vote right? They should forfeit their right because of that?

Yeah, they can't even get an absentee ballot
 
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If you want to complete the poutrage, suggest getting rid of Christmas as a federal holiday to make up for it....

While I dont much care about Xmas the fallout from that would be delicious :)
 
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So the opinion of the Right is that everyone who doesnt vote is too lazy to do so? You realize it is opinions like that which is why most people think you are uncaring right?

But please, explain to me why it would be so bad that everyone have the day off so they can vote! I mean sure it will probably destroy capitalism and force all small businesses to implode (which is what we hear about anything that seems to help the average person) but putting all that aside what is the harm? Why is it such an affront to all of you that we get the day off so we can vote? Please...list some reasons it is so bad. Who does it hurt...
 
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So the opinion of the Right is that everyone who doesnt vote is too lazy to do so? You realize it is opinions like that which is why most people think you are uncaring right?

The opinions are only a symptom. Conservatives typically score high on Social Dominance Orientation, a mental illness, er, personality type that desperately seeks hierarchy and explains the world with a simplistic Manicheanism. They are basically missing empathy.
 
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So the opinion of the Right is that everyone who doesnt vote is too lazy to do so? You realize it is opinions like that which is why most people think you are uncaring right?

But please, explain to me why it would be so bad that everyone have the day off so they can vote! I mean sure it will probably destroy capitalism and force all small businesses to implode (which is what we hear about anything that seems to help the average person) but putting all that aside what is the harm? Why is it such an affront to all of you that we get the day off so we can vote? Please...list some reasons it is so bad. Who does it hurt...
I'm not sure I qualify as a righty anywhere other than a USCHO political thread, but I'll give you my reasons, in no particular order:

1. While I think there is an element of laziness in some voters failure to go to the polls, I believe apathy is the much larger cause, and frankly I'm not interested in rewarding apathy with a paid day off of work. If we were seeing 90%+ turnout, and people were waiting in lines for hours to vote and nothing was getting done at the workplace anyway, by all means call a holiday.

2. I think the real push for a paid day off by some, especially on the left, is due to the "get out the vote" cadres they send out each election day. Right now it actually costs them something to do that. People who decide to spend their day laying guilt trips on the apathetic, or even worse, painting horror stories for them if they fail to do their civic duty, have to take a day off of work to do that. It costs them something, and I want it to cost them something because I think the "get out the vote" efforts of all political parties is pathetic. If you are too stupid, too lazy, to apathetic or just too uninformed to know its election day, to understand the consequences of an election or to get your a s s to the polls without someone threatening you or laying a guilt trip on you, then I don't want you to vote. Stupid, uninformed voters make bad choices, and we don't need more bad choices.

3. I think it is just one more piece of the Francification effort of the left in this country. There is nothing the left likes better, or promises more of, than more paid days where you don't work, preferably at higher wages. Lets get a permanent, liberal government installed, controlled by public labor unions, while we all sit around at outdoor cafes drinking our lattes and smoking our Gauloises and talking philosophy and rapturing about the glory days of the Republic, 200 years ago. Sorry, not my vision for the country.

4. I hate mid-week holidays. They screw up my work week. You can't do anything on them. Maybe for lefties the idea of getting up on a Tuesday morning, spending 20 minutes voting, then sitting around jerking off to Ellen is a fine excuse for a day, but I've got work to do. Besides, we already have a mid-week federal holiday less than 10 days later.
 
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I'm not sure I qualify as a righty anywhere other than a USCHO political thread, but I'll give you my reasons, in no particular order:

1. While I think there is an element of laziness in some voters failure to go to the polls, I believe apathy is the much larger cause, and frankly I'm not interested in rewarding apathy with a paid day off of work. If we were seeing 90%+ turnout, and people were waiting in lines for hours to vote and nothing was getting done at the workplace anyway, by all means call a holiday.

2. I think the real push for a paid day off by some, especially on the left, is due to the "get out the vote" cadres they send out each election day. Right now it actually costs them something to do that. People who decide to spend their day laying guilt trips on the apathetic, or even worse, painting horror stories for them if they fail to do their civic duty, have to take a day off of work to do that. It costs them something, and I want it to cost them something because I think the "get out the vote" efforts of all political parties is pathetic. If you are too stupid, too lazy, to apathetic or just too uninformed to know its election day, to understand the consequences of an election or to get your a s s to the polls without someone threatening you or laying a guilt trip on you, then I don't want you to vote. Stupid, uninformed voters make bad choices, and we don't need more bad choices.

3. I think it is just one more piece of the Francification effort of the left in this country. There is nothing the left likes better, or promises more of, than more paid days where you don't work, preferably at higher wages. Lets get a permanent, liberal government installed, controlled by public labor unions, while we all sit around at outdoor cafes drinking our lattes and smoking our Gauloises and talking philosophy and rapturing about the glory days of the Republic, 200 years ago. Sorry, not my vision for the country.

4. I hate mid-week holidays. They screw up my work week. You can't do anything on them. Maybe for lefties the idea of getting up on a Tuesday morning, spending 20 minutes voting, then sitting around jerking off to Ellen is a fine excuse for a day, but I've got work to do. Besides, we already have a mid-week federal holiday less than 10 days later.

I always figured I was a cynical bastard but this post takes the cake.
 
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Who jerks off to Ellen? Ewwww. I don't even think mookie is that bad. :eek: ;)
 
I'm not sure I qualify as a righty anywhere other than a USCHO political thread, but I'll give you my reasons, in no particular order:

1. While I think there is an element of laziness in some voters failure to go to the polls, I believe apathy is the much larger cause, and frankly I'm not interested in rewarding apathy with a paid day off of work. If we were seeing 90%+ turnout, and people were waiting in lines for hours to vote and nothing was getting done at the workplace anyway, by all means call a holiday.

2. I think the real push for a paid day off by some, especially on the left, is due to the "get out the vote" cadres they send out each election day. Right now it actually costs them something to do that. People who decide to spend their day laying guilt trips on the apathetic, or even worse, painting horror stories for them if they fail to do their civic duty, have to take a day off of work to do that. It costs them something, and I want it to cost them something because I think the "get out the vote" efforts of all political parties is pathetic. If you are too stupid, too lazy, to apathetic or just too uninformed to know its election day, to understand the consequences of an election or to get your a s s to the polls without someone threatening you or laying a guilt trip on you, then I don't want you to vote. Stupid, uninformed voters make bad choices, and we don't need more bad choices.

3. I think it is just one more piece of the Francification effort of the left in this country. There is nothing the left likes better, or promises more of, than more paid days where you don't work, preferably at higher wages. Lets get a permanent, liberal government installed, controlled by public labor unions, while we all sit around at outdoor cafes drinking our lattes and smoking our Gauloises and talking philosophy and rapturing about the glory days of the Republic, 200 years ago. Sorry, not my vision for the country.

4. I hate mid-week holidays. They screw up my work week. You can't do anything on them. Maybe for lefties the idea of getting up on a Tuesday morning, spending 20 minutes voting, then sitting around jerking off to Ellen is a fine excuse for a day, but I've got work to do. Besides, we already have a mid-week federal holiday less than 10 days later.
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So the opinion of the Right is that everyone who doesnt vote is too lazy to do so? You realize it is opinions like that which is why most people think you are uncaring right?

But please, explain to me why it would be so bad that everyone have the day off so they can vote! I mean sure it will probably destroy capitalism and force all small businesses to implode (which is what we hear about anything that seems to help the average person) but putting all that aside what is the harm? Why is it such an affront to all of you that we get the day off so we can vote? Please...list some reasons it is so bad. Who does it hurt...

The candidates have to give people a reason to vote, not just the opportunity. How is it that MN has well over 50% voter turnout while many other parts of the nation languish in the mid-30% range during non-presidential years? You either want to vote and make it a priority or you do not. Candidates either make a case for the populace to fill out their voting slip or they do not. Making the day a holiday will not substantially change outcomes for a couple reasons.

1) Since when does declaring a holiday equate to a day off work? The very people you're trying to entice into the voting booth by giving them a holiday are the same people who will still be scheduled to cashier at Target, Wal-Mart, Costco, Matt's Bar, sporting event staff, hospital staff, etc., just like they're being called into work every other holiday of the year save one (and it's a religious holiday at that). Go into a convenience store on Labor Day, no worry. Go into K-Mart on Thanksgiving - hey, they're open.

2) Meanwhile, I'm going to be assigned that holiday because my area of the company is required to follow the Fed's holiday schedule, but I have no doubt that my employer would then reduce the number of PTO days I receive as a result - thanks for removing from me a discretionary PTO day. I'm likely to vote against those very people who "earned" me my holiday just out of spite.
 
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Who jerks off to Ellen? Ewwww. I don't even think mookie is that bad. :eek: ;)

mookie went on about an old grey-haired biddy porn scene at one point. Don't overestimate the man.
 
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