Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

The GOP has always loved intrusive big government, as long as its sole focus is on enforcing all the social conservative crapola they believe in.

"Always"? No. They hated big government until they gained control of the big government.

 

[joecct]

"Always"? No. They hated big government until they gained control of the big government.

And for that their legislators were sent to the political wilderness. They seem to forget what got them there in the 1st place and became (become) corrupted by the process.

 

[unofan]

And for that their legislators were sent to the political wilderness. They seem to forget what got them there in the 1st place and became (become) corrupted by the process.

The GOP controls both chambers of Congress and has sole control of something like 33 state governments. And that's with the libertarian wing making up a small and ever shrinking portion of its electorate.

What wilderness were they sent off to?

 

[joecct]

The GOP controls both chambers of Congress and has sole control of something like 33 state governments. And that's with the libertarian wing making up a small and ever shrinking portion of its electorate.

What wilderness were they sent off to?

1st group was sent off in 2006. The next group will be soon. Unless, of course, the Dems once again overreach on their attempts to re-engineer America. Then the dinosaurs stay and get transformed into koopas.

 

[mookie1995]

He will open up the water! http://gawker.com/water-scientist-donald-trump-on-how-to-end-californias-1779228841

Maybe tD has been watching Chinatown on cable recently

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

"Always"? No. They hated big government until they gained control of the big government.

ROTFLMAO.

No. They've ALWAYS LOVED BIG government. Just not the same big government the Dems do. The GOP loves the Big Government that everyone should love. Huge military complex. Torture. War. Sex police. LGBT police. Abortion police. Voting police. Immigration police. All the good policing in life.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Still more intelligent than the GOP.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Is that the first time someone has stripped on stage for CSPAN?

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Hopefully the last.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Is that the first time someone has stripped on stage for CSPAN?

I suspect half the callers to "Washington Journal" are not wearing pants.

More.

And even more.

And, well, you know... (Troy, represent!)

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

I have to say, I think it's a brilliant move by both Sanders and Trump.

For Bernie: more opportunity to reach CA voters, as well as a chance to show voters exactly how he would stand up to Trump in the general. If he crushes Trump (which is a certainly on substance, though optics may vary), that will certainly make some Democrats take notice. "Whoa - now we know for sure that Sanders will handle Trump....can't be nearly as certain about Clinton."

For Trump: opportunity to diminish visibility and importance of his (almost certain) opponent. Plus, it's time on TV, so he can't resist.

As we've now seen, the problem is Sanders played right into Trump's hands with this ridiculous stunt. It allows Trump to dominate the media cycle for a few days yet again even after wrapping up the nomination. Then Trump also gets to sow discord in the Dem primary by insinuating Sanders got cheated out of the nomination, but at the same time publically humiliating Sanders by correctly pointing out the winner of the GOP contest doesn't debate the 2nd place finisher of the Dem contest.

There is no way, zero, that Bernie Sanders could handle in the general election campaign what Trump would have in store for him. The Sanders campaign would make Mike Dukakis' bid look brilliant by comparison.

And, hey, you do seem to treat this forum the way a party flack treats the press after a debate: Hillary good, everyone else bad, all the time. Even if you're under the (IMHO, insane) impression that you have to do that because it's all part of managing optics, as if this was in some way a decisive environment and you have to spin as fast as you can, please know that you are misreading this audience. Folks here are a lot more savvy than the average lofo voter, and that comes off as treating us -- even fellow liberals -- like idiots.

Kep, for the bazillionth time, I'm out here for my own amusement. Nothing more, nothing less. This time, will that FINALLY sink into your head?

 

[Kepler]

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Kep, for the bazillionth time, I'm out here for my own amusement. Nothing more, nothing less. This time, will that FINALLY sink into your head?

You don't seem to understand that I'm talking about how you come off. Your motives are your business.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Mitch said on Morning Joe that Garland is a left wing radical and no one could be worse for the Court.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

There is no way, zero, that Bernie Sanders could handle in the general election campaign what Trump would have in store for him. The Sanders campaign would make Mike Dukakis' bid look brilliant by comparison.

Bernie and Hillary are each weak in different ways. Bernie looks funny and once said he was a Socialist. OTOH he has the courage of his convictions not to mention that he's, ya know, right.

Hillary has experience and gravitas and she is composed entirely of scar tissue and self-righteousness, so she won't fold. But people wouldn't trust her to answer honestly on a Sporkle quiz and she and hubby are the poster children for a form of politics that is 30 years out of date. She's a mainframe is an age of smart phones. (Bernie is an abacus.)

None of us, including you, know how the general is going to play out, so your attempt to predict by dictat what's going to happen is going over about as well as the rest of your hamfisted "I punch you in the face, you vote Hillary---" campaign is working out. She has the nomination so she should be pivoting to the general now. If she's so inept that she can't close the deal on a nomination that has already been delivered to her, that is not a vote of confidence about her chances in the general.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Mitch said on Morning Joe that Garland is a left wing radical and no one could be worse for the Court.

lol

That means by noon 80% of GOP voters will believe that but also believe Mitch is a weakling who will fold.

I told you guys: Hillary should just put a frothing insane lefty justice on the Court because the GOP treats anybody to the left of Genghis Khan that way anyway. That entire party is the boy who cried wolf going on 30 years now.

 

[Rover]

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You don't seem to understand that I'm talking about how you come off. Your motives are your business.

If my motives are my own amusement, why would I give a care how I "come off"? That doesn't make sense...

If I'm a little harsh on Sanders and Trump and conservatives in general, its because making fun of nonsense amuses me. These people/entities are full of nonsense, while boring old Hillary is the only person in the race out of the 20+ people who ran on both sides who's trying to ground her campaign and proposals in reality. If Uncle Joe Biden was the front runner tasked with continuing the Clinton-Obama legacy, and Hillary never made the race, I'd be supporting him in the same manner.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

If my motives are my own amusement, why would I give a care how I "come off"? That doesn't make sense...

If I'm a little harsh on Sanders and Trump and conservatives in general, its because making fun of nonsense amuses me. These people/entities are full of nonsense, while boring old Hillary is the only person in the race out of the 20+ people who ran on both sides who's trying to ground her campaign and proposals in reality. If Uncle Joe Biden was the front runner tasked with continuing the Clinton-Obama legacy, and Hillary never made the race, I'd be supporting him in the same manner.

If you're just here to amuse yourself why should anybody care what you have to say? After all, by your own admission it's not backed by thought or substance, it's just for your amusement? Why would that interest any of us (because let's face it, as an entertainer your act aint makin' it to Carnegie Hall)?

Hillary's "substance" is she will run Obama's third term but she will be better than Obama because... reasons? She has the substance of an inert pillar holding up a wall, granted, but that's a fungible quality -- pretty much anyone could do the same. So if she's more than Hodor what is she? The possessor of a fine rolodex? Someone who knows where the bodies are buried?

The thing is, I think Hillary would (will, hopefully) govern perfectly well as an Eisenhower / Ford / Bush Sr. style caretaker president. But you need more than that to get elected during most cycles. Right now it looks like her best electoral weapon is her opponent's manifest unfitness to manage a PetSmart franchise, but that didn't save Al.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

If you're just here to amuse yourself why should anybody care what you have to say? After all, by your own admission it's not backed by thought or substance, it's just for your amusement? Why would that interest any of us (because let's face it, as an entertainer your act aint makin' it to Carnegie Hall)?

THEY SHOULDN'T! Anymore than they should listen to you or any other random person on an internet message board. Get over yourself already. Sheeesh.

Hillary's "substance" is she will run Obama's third term but she will be better than Obama because... reasons?

Because you're building on what Obama has already done, but he can't run for a 3rd term. Plus, Hillary won't be as naïve as Obama was in dealing with Goopers. Whether she'll be a "better" President than Obama is unknown because nobody knows what the challenges will be over the next 4 years. She'll be a worthy successor however. For the record, Sanders would be a far, far worse successor because he'd go along with the Republicans in blowing up everything Obama did, but then they'd block his socialist utopia that he'd propose to replace it.

The thing is, I think Hillary would (will, hopefully) govern perfectly well as an Eisenhower / Ford / Bush Sr. style caretaker president. But you need more than that to get elected during most cycles. Right now it looks like her best electoral weapon is her opponent's manifest unfitness to manage a PetSmart franchise, but that didn't save Al.

Possibly right about Ike. Nonsensical comparison with the other two. Not every Presidential candidate needs to be JFK. Ike and Truman are great examples of people implementing changes but in a more subtle manner than the President who came before them. Ford and Bush Sr were failures. Hillary's job is to 1) pack SCOTUS, and then 2) expand voting rights by making changes to VRA and banning all of the GOP led suppression laws, 3) direct EPA to continue to tighten emission/pollution standards (currently in limbo with divided court), 4) up gas tax to pay for infrastructure and financial transaction tax to pay for regulation, 5) fully implement Dodd-Frank, 6) sue states with abortion restrictions and put issue before friendly court, which will most likely re-affirm Roe v Wade and sweep away the forced-birther arguments once and for all. 7) Expand ACA and encourage states to do their own public option (part of the law) to continue to reduce uninsured.

None of these are of course Earth shattering, but they're what needs to be done to finish the laws that Obama frankly took too long to get implemented. What we do not need is someone wasting political capital to try and blow everything up again. Slow and steady wins the race, and again replace Clinton with Biden and I'd be telling you the same thing.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

THEY SHOULDN'T! Anymore than they should listen to you or any other random person on an internet message board. Get over yourself already. Sheeesh.



Because you're building on what Obama has already done, but he can't run for a 3rd term. Plus, Hillary won't be as naïve as Obama was in dealing with Goopers. Whether she'll be a "better" President than Obama is unknown because nobody knows what the challenges will be over the next 4 years. She'll be a worthy successor however. For the record, Sanders would be a far, far worse successor because he'd go along with the Republicans in blowing up everything Obama did, but then they'd block his socialist utopia that he'd propose to replace it.



Possibly right about Ike. Nonsensical comparison with the other two. Not every Presidential candidate needs to be JFK. Ike and Truman are great examples of people implementing changes but in a more subtle manner than the President who came before them. Ford and Bush Sr were failures. Hillary's job is to 1) pack SCOTUS, and then 2) expand voting rights by making changes to VRA and banning all of the GOP led suppression laws, 3) direct EPA to continue to tighten emission/pollution standards (currently in limbo with divided court), 4) up gas tax to pay for infrastructure and financial transaction tax to pay for regulation, 5) fully implement Dodd-Frank, 6) sue states with abortion restrictions and put issue before friendly court, which will most likely re-affirm Roe v Wade and sweep away the forced-birther arguments once and for all. 7) Expand ACA and encourage states to do their own public option (part of the law) to continue to reduce uninsured.

None of these are of course Earth shattering, but they're what needs to be done to finish the laws that Obama frankly took too long to get implemented. What we do not need is someone wasting political capital to try and blow everything up again. Slow and steady wins the race, and again replace Clinton with Biden and I'd be telling you the same thing.

So you type nonsense on a message board to amuse yourself even though you have nothing to accomplish but get your yayas out, but I'm the one who has a problem?

If you think Bernie's going to blow things up you've drunk the GOP Kool Aid.

Your points 1-7 are (apparently quite accidentally) a reasonable start. We also must build upon Dodd-Frank and enforce "too big to fail is too big to exist." We have to restore real tax rates for the upper brackets and corporations, and of course reverse Citizens United and McCutcheon. Abolish private prisons and end the incarceration economy.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XII: What Have We Done To Deserve This?

Deceitful Donald with another lie. So much for "self-funding" to avoid being beholden.