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Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
I take no offense at all, and in fact I drew exactly the same conclusion from the article that you did.
I'll give it the old college try. Iraq and Drumpf are first order crimes. Supporting somebody who supported them is a second-order crime. So, if we're given the choice, we should choose a second-order crime to be farther from direct responsibility for reprehensible conduct. If I vote for Hillary I am supporting a scumbucket, whereas if I vote for Drumpf I am a scumbucket.
Whaddya think? Personally I don't buy it. My calculation of moral turpitude doesn't work that way. But I was raised Catholic so I have an absolutist view of guilt.
I take no offense at all, and in fact I drew exactly the same conclusion from the article that you did.
I'll give it the old college try. Iraq and Drumpf are first order crimes. Supporting somebody who supported them is a second-order crime. So, if we're given the choice, we should choose a second-order crime to be farther from direct responsibility for reprehensible conduct. If I vote for Hillary I am supporting a scumbucket, whereas if I vote for Drumpf I am a scumbucket.
Whaddya think? Personally I don't buy it. My calculation of moral turpitude doesn't work that way. But I was raised Catholic so I have an absolutist view of guilt.
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Guys, again lets spend some time in reality and not in some drug induced fantasyland. If you think employers aren't going to stick workers with that extra payroll tax, and are just willingly going to eat it because Sanders waved his magic wand, you are out of your effin minds. Your paycheck is going to have the usual state, fed, etc deductions, only there's going to be an extra one called "Bernie tax" showing you just how much he's collecting from you. Unless he plans on passing a law specifically saying business cannot do this, which would surely end up in a long legal battle, there is zero reason why they can't do this.
When did Sanders supporters turn into a cult?
Guys, again lets spend some time in reality and not in some drug induced fantasyland. If you think employers aren't going to stick workers with that extra payroll tax, and are just willingly going to eat it because Sanders waved his magic wand, you are out of your effin minds. Your paycheck is going to have the usual state, fed, etc deductions, only there's going to be an extra one called "Bernie tax" showing you just how much he's collecting from you. Unless he plans on passing a law specifically saying business cannot do this, which would surely end up in a long legal battle, there is zero reason why they can't do this.
When did Sanders supporters turn into a cult?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
When did Hillary supporters turn into the Club for Growth?
When did Sanders supporters turn into a cult?
When did Hillary supporters turn into the Club for Growth?
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
YES!!!!! Let me get this straight. People have spent the last year demonizing any and all things corporate as evil itself, BUT these same evil corporations are then going to WILLINGLY give up the chance to pass an extra tax onto you? Especially after they get socked with additional taxes for other Bernie proposals unrelated to this? Ooooookaaayyyyy. Do you people ever think things through?
YES!!!!! Let me get this straight. People have spent the last year demonizing any and all things corporate as evil itself, BUT these same evil corporations are then going to WILLINGLY give up the chance to pass an extra tax onto you? Especially after they get socked with additional taxes for other Bernie proposals unrelated to this? Ooooookaaayyyyy. Do you people ever think things through?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
You can't spell "Grover Norquist" without "(r)over"...
You can't spell "Grover Norquist" without "(r)over"...
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Kep I'm sorry but you've become a blithering idiot when it comes to Bernie. I'm glad you found a new hero, but I sure do wish you'd do it with your eyes open. Seems if Sanders told you to drop to your knees, close your eyes and open your mouth, you'd do so without even peeking to see what exactly the old dude had in mind for you.
When did Hillary supporters turn into the Club for Growth?
Kep I'm sorry but you've become a blithering idiot when it comes to Bernie. I'm glad you found a new hero, but I sure do wish you'd do it with your eyes open. Seems if Sanders told you to drop to your knees, close your eyes and open your mouth, you'd do so without even peeking to see what exactly the old dude had in mind for you.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Being married to a Catholic, I have been frequently exposed to said absoluteness. It's kind of rubbed off some. Again, I have the luxury of a state where I can stand by principle because the outcome is pretty much set here. Not sure how I'd vote if I lived in a purple state. Since I don't, I'm all in for Limberbutt McCubbins
Maybe it's better to go with the concept of "A day without a good rationalization is like a day without sunshine"I take no offense at all, and in fact I drew exactly the same conclusion from the article that you did.
I'll give it the old college try. Iraq and Drumpf are first order crimes. Supporting somebody who supported them is a second-order crime. So, if we're given the choice, we should choose a second-order crime to be farther from direct responsibility for reprehensible conduct. If I vote for Hillary I am supporting a scumbucket, whereas if I vote for Drumpf I am a scumbucket.
Whaddya think? Personally I don't buy it. My calculation of moral turpitude doesn't work that way. But I was raised Catholic so I have an absolutist view of guilt.
Being married to a Catholic, I have been frequently exposed to said absoluteness. It's kind of rubbed off some. Again, I have the luxury of a state where I can stand by principle because the outcome is pretty much set here. Not sure how I'd vote if I lived in a purple state. Since I don't, I'm all in for Limberbutt McCubbins
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
You can't just flail and attack and mug faces and insult and scoff. You're at the substance table, now. Play or move along.
You can't just flail and attack and mug faces and insult and scoff. You're at the substance table, now. Play or move along.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
I'm holding out for Deez Nuts.
Moral absolutism starts out OK but next thing you know Kant is telling the Nazis where Anne Frank's hiding because lying is wrong. What did Emerson say? "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." So too moral absolutes.
I'm holding out for Deez Nuts.
Moral absolutism starts out OK but next thing you know Kant is telling the Nazis where Anne Frank's hiding because lying is wrong. What did Emerson say? "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." So too moral absolutes.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
the Bernie tax would be LESS than what they are paying now. They're paying $18,000-$20,000/yr for my insurance now. They haven't raised my premium (or reduced benefits) since 2010. If they were going to stick the Bernie tax to me, they would have been sticking it to me more than they are now for my insurance.
the Bernie tax would be LESS than what they are paying now. They're paying $18,000-$20,000/yr for my insurance now. They haven't raised my premium (or reduced benefits) since 2010. If they were going to stick the Bernie tax to me, they would have been sticking it to me more than they are now for my insurance.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Being a science major who skated through the liberal arts portion of my undergrad career, I have to go with the following:
I'm holding out for Deez Nuts.
Moral absolutism starts out OK but next thing you know Kant is telling the Nazis where Anne Frank's hiding because lying is wrong. What did Emerson say? "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." So too moral absolutes.
Being a science major who skated through the liberal arts portion of my undergrad career, I have to go with the following:
I think you stole my idea. Everyone files single. $45K exemption. No other deductions. 15% bracket. 25% on over $1 million.
unofan
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Guys, again lets spend some time in reality and not in some drug induced fantasyland. If you think employers aren't going to stick workers with that extra payroll tax, and are just willingly going to eat it because Sanders waved his magic wand, you are out of your effin minds. Your paycheck is going to have the usual state, fed, etc deductions, only there's going to be an extra one called "Bernie tax" showing you just how much he's collecting from you. Unless he plans on passing a law specifically saying business cannot do this, which would surely end up in a long legal battle, there is zero reason why they can't do this.
When did Sanders supporters turn into a cult?
Can you point me to the line on your paystub where your employer sticks you with their FICA contributions? I'm guessing the answer is no.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
A long time ago back when Cornell was good, I posted my idea, which is the two number tax system. You have t, a flat tax, and e, a personal exemption. Projected revenue has to equal the budget.
Conservatives will back a low e and low t to help the rich. Liberals will back a high t and a high e to help the middle class. We decide which numbers get picked by choosing the makeup of Congress. Easy, peasy.
A long time ago back when Cornell was good, I posted my idea, which is the two number tax system. You have t, a flat tax, and e, a personal exemption. Projected revenue has to equal the budget.
Conservatives will back a low e and low t to help the rich. Liberals will back a high t and a high e to help the middle class. We decide which numbers get picked by choosing the makeup of Congress. Easy, peasy.
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
It doesn't matter anyway. Even if Rover's stupid logic were sound, my taxes aren't going to go up because it's not like BernieCare would make it through congress anyway. I'm under no delusions that Bernie would be able to accomplish everything he's proposed. I'm hoping it is the start of a march towards a more democratic socialist America. A Denmark with guns and an obesity problem.
It doesn't matter anyway. Even if Rover's stupid logic were sound, my taxes aren't going to go up because it's not like BernieCare would make it through congress anyway. I'm under no delusions that Bernie would be able to accomplish everything he's proposed. I'm hoping it is the start of a march towards a more democratic socialist America. A Denmark with guns and an obesity problem.
leswp1
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Watching daytime TV again
The View (all women and 3 people of color) had on Ben Carson. They asked him how he, as a black man of faith, could endorse tD. tD is mysogynist, racist, from big money, etc. Would that not be against his ethics and morals? I watched him fascinated with his pseudo-logic. Man does he come across as dumb. His answer- well, we need to get out the establishment. We need to focus on the important things. They asked if he didn't think the inflammatory comments, lies about other candidates (including saying Carson was a child molester- missed that one!), his vitriol, were important Carson answered again it was his job to think about what is important for the country. Then said- you never saw protesters at the 'Left's' rallies This is pertinent how? (The answer to that is probably because they have enough skill to make a joke and move on).
a) How did this guy make it thru medical school where thinking of consequences is an important part of success? b) I would never, never, never let this guy near me with a scalpel. He is way too rigid in his thinking. If something didn't go as he planned- oh oh. He thinks he failed to gain traction because he was not inflammatory enough and not crazy enough. More likely because he is not the brightest lightbulb on the tree.
Initially thought he was someone to consider until he opened his mouth and revealed what a loon he is
Watching daytime TV again
The View (all women and 3 people of color) had on Ben Carson. They asked him how he, as a black man of faith, could endorse tD. tD is mysogynist, racist, from big money, etc. Would that not be against his ethics and morals? I watched him fascinated with his pseudo-logic. Man does he come across as dumb. His answer- well, we need to get out the establishment. We need to focus on the important things. They asked if he didn't think the inflammatory comments, lies about other candidates (including saying Carson was a child molester- missed that one!), his vitriol, were important Carson answered again it was his job to think about what is important for the country. Then said- you never saw protesters at the 'Left's' rallies
This is pertinent how? (The answer to that is probably because they have enough skill to make a joke and move on). a) How did this guy make it thru medical school where thinking of consequences is an important part of success? b) I would never, never, never let this guy near me with a scalpel. He is way too rigid in his thinking. If something didn't go as he planned- oh oh. He thinks he failed to gain traction because he was not inflammatory enough and not crazy enough. More likely because he is not the brightest lightbulb on the tree.
Initially thought he was someone to consider until he opened his mouth and revealed what a loon he is
leswp1
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Forgot- almost immediately tD tweeted the women were all idiots or some such. Carson, meanwhile, tweeted something much more gracious - he was glad they listened to him even if they didn't agree with him.
Not working is giving me a very jaundiced view of human intelligence.
Forgot- almost immediately tD tweeted the women were all idiots or some such. Carson, meanwhile, tweeted something much more gracious - he was glad they listened to him even if they didn't agree with him.
Not working is giving me a very jaundiced view of human intelligence.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Dr. Mrs. thinks something happened to him. Everything from the weird affect to the disjointed, nonsensical sentence structure to the fixation on delusional ideas and magical thinking screams "chip error; core dump imminent."
He cannot have been this f-cked up when he was a doctor. Not only would he never have made it through med school; he'd never even had made it through the entrance interview.
This dude was once head of Pediatric Medicine at Johns Hopkins. Some sort of Flowers for Algernon sh-t happened to him.
Dr. Mrs. thinks something happened to him. Everything from the weird affect to the disjointed, nonsensical sentence structure to the fixation on delusional ideas and magical thinking screams "chip error; core dump imminent."
He cannot have been this f-cked up when he was a doctor. Not only would he never have made it through med school; he'd never even had made it through the entrance interview.
This dude was once head of Pediatric Medicine at Johns Hopkins. Some sort of Flowers for Algernon sh-t happened to him.
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River
Dr. Strangewords also dropped, "Your rights end when they begin to infringe upon the rights of others" on The View. Apparently he really was sleeping through all those Republican debates.
Dr. Strangewords also dropped, "Your rights end when they begin to infringe upon the rights of others" on The View. Apparently he really was sleeping through all those Republican debates.
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