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Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Good enough for me. I'm not proud. Or tired.

Time isn't exactly on Old Ironsides' side either, you know. :p

It's all pattycake until the Sherrod Brown/Russ Feingold 2020 ticket, anyway.

Are they running as Republicans or Independents? Come 2020 the country will be celebrating Hillary's re-election and Sanders will be back at his commune in Vermont with his new manservant - Some guy named Kepler. ;)
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Are they running as Republicans or Independents? Come 2020 the country will be celebrating Hillary's re-election and Sanders will be back at his commune in Vermont with his new manservant - Some guy named Kepler. ;)

So, you think the anti-incumbency wave is just gonna pass with this election, eh?

We may not have another two-termer for 20 years.

Plus, in November 2020 Hillary will be 73 and Bernie will be 79. They could be a lot of places, including 6 feet under, but they aint gonna be running for president.

This election is the death rattle of the Boomers. Conservatives are feeling it first, because they're less healthy both physically and (obvs) mentally. But by 2020, the creaky, doddering old politics of 1968 will have finally been buried along with most members of The Worst Generation. They will look back on our obsession with the Culture Wars the way we gawk at bimetallism or the Missouri Compromise.

We have no idea what's coming, but thankfully it won't have a thing to do with what we think matters.

Come to think of it, Brown and Feingold are probably way too old too.

One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. -- Ecclesiastes 1:4
 
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Trump is now complaining that the delegate target is unfair because there are (were) so many people running.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While I believe I will clinch before Cleveland and get more than 1237 delegates, it is unfair in that there have been so many in the race!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/712748982531977216">March 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Trump is now complaining that the delegate target is unfair because there are (were) so many people running.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While I believe I will clinch before Cleveland and get more than 1237 delegates, it is unfair in that there have been so many in the race!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/712748982531977216">March 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I gotta agree. Life is unfair for the Trump man.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Dad realizes that he is being ill served by our current political rulers. I'm not saying tD is the answer, but he is tapping into that anger.

BTW - what's happening in the continued adventures of DH?
This is the man who sat me down when I was about 9 and told me about realistic thinking. It is one of the clearist memories I have when I was a child. I thought they should have colonies where convicts lived communally and did thier own work. He lectured me about how that would only work if everyone agreed and followed the rules. That society had to COMPROMISE. One had to compromise and realize that no matter how much things weren't fair it was wise to be pragmatic and realistic. Critical thinking 101. He has lost the ability.

We moved overseas at around that time and I can't tell you how many lectures I had about being a little ambasador, how it was important how one behaved as that would determine how Americans were viewed by the world at large. That poor impressions of Americans impeded our ability to work with in the world system, etc. Made me hypersensitive to the impression we make in the world. Too bad some of our politicians didn't get that lecture.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Ryan is wrong on policy, but at least he's talking about policy.

His economic priorities and preferences would be a disaster for the country just as they have been in places like Kansas, Louisiana and Wisconsin where they have been tried. But at least he's (now) talking about meeting in battle on the merits rather than on "culture wars" or other distractions.

It was an adequate college commencement speech. B's get degrees.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Ryan is wrong on policy, but at least he's talking about policy.

His economic priorities and preferences would be a disaster for the country just as they have been in places like Kansas, Louisiana and Wisconsin where they have been tried. But at least he's (now) talking about meeting in battle on the merits rather than on "culture wars" or other distractions.

What part of this **** has been tried and doesn't work don't these clowns get? Oh, and here comes somebody to tell me I'm too liberal again like they always do because, you know, Ryan is a moderate on economic policy. Bull****.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Trump is now complaining that the delegate target is unfair because there are (were) so many people running.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">While I believe I will clinch before Cleveland and get more than 1237 delegates, it is unfair in that there have been so many in the race!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/712748982531977216">March 23, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Funny. I thought only losers whined about fairness.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

What part of this **** has been tried and doesn't work don't these clowns get? Oh, and here comes somebody to tell me I'm too liberal again like they always do because, you know, Ryan is a moderate on economic policy. Bull****.
NO. Ignorance is bliss.

Funny. I thought only losers whined about fairness.
He is special. He is Good. So Good. So Good everyone should know he should get what he wants because, you understand, he knows what he should get, because he wants it. The Good people know that. He is only surrounded by Good people.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

What part of this **** has been tried and doesn't work don't these clowns get? Oh, and here comes somebody to tell me I'm too liberal again like they always do because, you know, Ryan is a moderate on economic policy. Bull****.

Well I mean look how well this plan worked in Wisconsin :D
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Yeah, I liked that line. I just couldn't believe it was written by Nolan. It was fairly well-written. It wasn't comprised of 100% useless snark. It was written on an actually useful topic. It wasn't just him btching about how life isn't fair.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Yeah, I liked that line. I just couldn't believe it was written by Nolan. It was fairly well-written. It wasn't comprised of 100% useless snark. It was written on an actually useful topic. It wasn't just him btching about how life isn't fair.

I don't think I have ever read anything else by him. This one piece is great.
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

So, you think the anti-incumbency wave is just gonna pass with this election, eh?

We may not have another two-termer for 20 years.

Plus, in November 2020 Hillary will be 73 and Bernie will be 79. They could be a lot of places, including 6 feet under, but they aint gonna be running for president.

This election is the death rattle of the Boomers. Conservatives are feeling it first, because they're less healthy both physically and (obvs) mentally. But by 2020, the creaky, doddering old politics of 1968 will have finally been buried along with most members of The Worst Generation. They will look back on our obsession with the Culture Wars the way we gawk at bimetallism or the Missouri Compromise.

We have no idea what's coming, but thankfully it won't have a thing to do with what we think matters.

Come to think of it, Brown and Feingold are probably way too old too.

Kep none of this makes any sense. Can we please get the old Kepler back? :confused: Have you been hanging out with Flaggy?

As either Hillary or Trump will be the next President, whoever's running in 2020 will be 73-74 years old. So that point of yours is out the window.

Next somebody has to serve as a bridge to the next generation. While millennials are the largest generation out there, until they vote in greater #'s than older people whiny boomers will still have some influence. So its not surprising to see a Hillary type serving two terms. The question will be who she choses as VP as I assume that person will be of a younger generation.

Now stop worrying! We do know what's coming. President Hillary!!!
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Next somebody has to serve as a bridge to the next generation. While millennials are the largest generation out there, until they vote in greater #'s than older people whiny boomers will still have some influence. So its not surprising to see a Hillary type serving two terms. The question will be who she choses as VP as I assume that person will be of a younger generation.

Now stop worrying! We do know what's coming. President Hillary!!!

Nobody's worried. Cassandra's job is to tell the truth. You failing to grasp it is not her department.

The themes that Hillary and the establishment GOP are talking about in this election are irrelevant to the vast majority of Americans. We're at an inflection point and party politics is, at those moments, typically a trailing indicator. Obama was a start down a new road; Hillary is a U-turn. If anything they should have served in the opposite order.

The bridge you think some Veep will be is already long past. The break with the old ways was 15 years ago on 9/11. Cheney instinctively applied the old righty model (swing you dick and pretend you're Tarzan and it's 1955 and America can do what it wants). The complete failure of that approach was the demonstration that the old world was dead. The Middle East has been in flames ever since due to that incompetence.

Now enter Hillary, dragging a 1960s State Department mindset -- one decade less archaic than the right but still hopelessly outmoded and irrelevant. The world has moved beyond us. Europe, as messed up as it is, seems at least to be trying to engage with the world as it is.

The US' sole genius is stealing ideas and making them more efficient through economy of scale and sheer, dumb, brute force. Somewhere out there in the world on the knife's edge the Poles or the Pakistanis or the Peruvians are figuring it out. If we want to keep running the world (and making a fortune out of it) we'd better be nimble enough to co-opt those ideas for our own purposes.

The trick is to realize that American self-identity is backwards: contrary to what our dullard "patriots" think, America never leads, and should never lead, for very good reason. We are not truly cognizant of the world as it is, so the best we can do is swagger in late and pick winners and losers from other people's menus. That's what we did with republicanism and industrialization and finance and science; it's how we won WW2. It's what we're good at. Smarter but weaker places come up with a cool idea and then America waddles in like Baby Huey, pulling at it, teething on it, probably wrecking it, but in those rare cases where it's something real eventually belching it back onto the rest of the world in massive quantities (albeit slathered with our spit).

Neither party will do what needs to be done: shoot all of our pundits and think tanks into the sun, listen to the rest of the world, and start picking and pulling at their ideas. The ones that survive, steal. That's the American way.

Tracy Flick didn't even understand that at 43. At 73, she is stale lite beer when what's needed is tequila.
 
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Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Yet, he was reelected 3 times because of the recall. Purple state my ***.

Hey we elected TPaw twice did we not? Sometimes it takes a while to learn. Thankfully I dont see Madison and Milwaukee voting for Drumpf so their idiocy will be kept to the state level :p
 
Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Kep,

If Hillary wins there is about 0% chance she doesnt run as the candidate in 4 years assuming she is alive and not in jail ;) It is beyond wishful thinking to feel otherwise.
 
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