Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

[Twitch Boy]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Dr. Mrs. thinks something happened to him. Everything from the weird affect to the disjointed, nonsensical sentence structure to the fixation on delusional ideas and magical thinking screams "chip error; core dump imminent."

He cannot have been this f-cked up when he was a doctor. Not only would he never have made it through med school; he'd never even had made it through the entrance interview.

This dude was once head of Pediatric Medicine at Johns Hopkins. Some sort of Flowers for Algernon sh-t happened to him.

Probably not even that. He was trained and practiced his entire life to be a brain surgeon, and from all accounts became a **** good one. He probably even picked up how to be a decent administrator because he knows his staff well along with what they would need to be effective. Politics, however, is an entirely different practice with an entirely different skillset required. He's trying to think on his feet and come up with "right" answers to appease people outside of his comfort zone, and that's what happens. Some people can do that no problem. He's one of the ones that can't.

This is why there aren't that many STEM representatives in politics - it's a big leap to make from that particular sphere of influence.

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

the Bernie tax would be LESS than what they are paying now. They're paying $18,000-$20,000/yr for my insurance now. They haven't raised my premium (or reduced benefits) since 2010. If they were going to stick the Bernie tax to me, they would have been sticking it to me more than they are now for my insurance.

Because they now have an excuse to. Law gets passed stating payroll taxes are going up and corporation draws direct line between increased paycheck deduction, specifically for this reason, while pocketing 20K contribution to your insurance and using that to help offset other Sanders business tax increases.

Again, if corporations are the source of all evil, which Bernie people tend to believe, how can the same people think corporations will turn around and not ding their workers for the extra payroll tax Sanders is demanding out of the goodness of their own black hearts? That's a mutually exclusive concept.

All I'm hearing is the same old blather. Oh, Dems are afraid. DLC. Reaganism. Third Way. We should start a drinking game whenever a Bernout writes that. More likely is Dems have viewed Sanders proposals, deemed them unworkable, and overwhelmingly preferred the politics of the possible represented by Hillary. +2.5M extra votes for Clinton tells you all you need to know.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Calling your bluff geezer. Post what you saw.

Kep and Bass, sorry to point out facts, but unless you dispute that this is in Sanders plan:

Payroll Tax Changes
•Creates a new 6.2 percent employer-side payroll tax on all wages and salaries. This is referred to by the campaign as an “income-based health care premium paid by employers.”
•Creates a 0.2 percent employer-side payroll tax and 0.2 percent employee-side payroll tax, to fund a new family and medical leave trust fund.

•Creates a new 2.2 percent “income-based [health care] premium paid by households.” This is equivalent to increasing all tax bracket rates by 2.2 percentage points,

So, in the land we call "reality" Sanders is dinging you 6.2+.2+.2+2.2 or an extra 8.8% in taxes on everybody. Not 1% as Kep just lied about. Not nothing for a family of 3 making 150K as Bass Ale insinuated. Sometimes you guys need to figure out exactly what you're voting for. Bass you're going to get dinged another 13K in taxes under Bernie. Do you pay 13K a year for healthcare all in? Every year from now until age 65? The only time I came close to this was when my wife gave birth to twins.

Now, for someone pulling in 150K, maybe you can eat that and make the tradeoff. But, what if you're making 50K? An extra 8.8% of your income is 4.5K. That is on top of the taxes you're already paying.

Small wonder Hillary has won a whopping 2.5M MORE votes than Sanders. What if you threw a revolution and nobody came?

I make about 50K, I will gladly pay that tax for what is being paid for. Quality of life means more to me than a bunch of extra cash I cant spend anyways.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

You can't spell "Grover Norquist" without "(r)over"...

Politics makes strange bedfellows...Rover is sounding more and more like the people he demonizes every day. It doesnt help that he and his ilk basically ignore the youth and mock the progressives. And the Clintonistas wonder why we hate them...they take after their leader just like Drumpf-philes.

And now Rover will pull out some lame insult about smoking weed because, as usual, he is a one trick pony

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Maybe it's better to go with the concept of "A day without a good rationalization is like a day without sunshine"

Being married to a Catholic, I have been frequently exposed to said absoluteness. It's kind of rubbed off some. Again, I have the luxury of a state where I can stand by principle because the outcome is pretty much set here. Not sure how I'd vote if I lived in a purple state. Since I don't, I'm all in for Limberbutt McCubbins

Me too...hence my vote for Frank Underwood

 

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

The paper of record for alien abductions, the National Enquirer, reports that GOP Teddy is following in the steps of Dem Teddy with 5 mistresses!

Which leads dick_nixon to opine
@dick_nixon: A man goes outside his marriage for two reasons. I don't approve of it but there can be some extenuating circumstance. That was Jerry Ford.

and

@dick_nixon: But then you have the man who needs his *** kissed six ways to Sunday, who has to feel as though he's king. That's the Kennedys, or Cruz.

I smell a Trump.
Ob this is getting so much fun! Muckraking politics is back, baby!!!

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

"If Donald Drumpf carries the banner of my party, I think it taints conservatism for generations to come. I think his campaign is opportunistic, race-baiting, religious bigotry xenophobia. Other than that he would be a good nominee."
Lindsey Graham

Man...

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

This is an interesting piece which maintains, well, it's kinda in the title.

In fact, on issues of equality and access for women, non-whites, LGBT groups, and religious minorities, the Democratic Party has never come close to being as left as it is right now. N.E.V.E.R.

The key to this thesis is of course that the Democratic party has never been as free of the South as it is today. Dixiecrats were the cancer that prevented the emergence of a true labor party in the US by dividing whites and blacks. They were the war mongers who pushed the military budget through the roof (in part because of militarist ideology, in part because it was the cynical welfare teat that they rode to re-election) at the expense of the poor. The South always had to be appeased and its racism destroyed the impetus for liberalism from within while the Republican corporate cons were attacking it from without.

Expelling the South from the Democratic party was politically painful, but now that it's done we can finally have a legitimate liberal party that doesn't have to continually re-fight the civil war with a backwater fifth column. This is yet another reason to move beyond the Clintons. If not to Bernie, fine, to Warren or Brown or Feingold. In any case, we need to absorb the grassroots liberal movements throughout the country rather than barring them with DWS dirty tricks and Beltway ridicule.

 

[joecct]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Why Evangelicals and Catholics are supporting tD.

http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/the-reasons-catholics-and-evangelicals-are-flocking-to-trump/

Interesting take on the hierarchies. I agree with that. But tD? I suppose if Kep can hold his nose as he pulls HRC's lever, I can have the puke bucket next to me if I do vote for tD. (VOMIT!)

Maybe I'll leave that line blank.

 

[geezer]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Calling your bluff geezer. Post what you saw.

I don't have it, but I believe it was a Facebook meme with bright colors and an unflattering picture of Hillary while Bernie looked like Gandalf on an especially wise train of thought. It must be true.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

YES!!!!! Let me get this straight. People have spent the last year demonizing any and all things corporate as evil itself, BUT these same evil corporations are then going to WILLINGLY give up the chance to pass an extra tax onto you? Especially after they get socked with additional taxes for other Bernie proposals unrelated to this? Ooooookaaayyyyy. Do you people ever think things through?

I'm fairly certain that if I looked hard enough I could find this exact post from FreshFish at some point in the last 3-4 years????

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Politics makes strange bedfellows...Rover is sounding more and more like the people he demonizes every day. It doesnt help that he and his ilk basically ignore the youth and mock the progressives. And the Clintonistas wonder why we hate them...they take after their leader just like Drumpf-philes.

And now Rover will pull out some lame insult about smoking weed because, as usual, he is a one trick pony

Quite the opposite actually. This what Bernouts don't tend to understand. IF Bernie Sanders truly commanded a tens of millions strong army of newly found progressive voters above and beyond even what Obama won in 2008 and he was threatening to win in places like Alabama (which Berniebots have suggested because he drew a large crowd there) or had the ability to win over half of Trump's voters (Kepler's suggestion on this very website) do you know what I would say?

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!! Look, the guy's proposals are nuts. Even Nancy Pelosi who's liberal cred I assume is above reproach shot down his tax plans. But a lot of other more normal legislation would be passed if he had the ability to overwhelm the current political system (Environment, voting rights, campaign finance reform, etc).

The problem which Sanders cultists refuse to acknowledge is that he's getting way, WAY less votes than he told us he would. Not the first politician to lie to us, but that's just it: he's a politician, not a Messiah. Lets be honest. Hillary is boring. She's selling competence, which she has in abundance, but not inspiration. That's fine because the country needs that sometimes (think Ike or Truman serving between FDR and JFK). However, it makes her easily susceptible to a primary challenge. Essentially what happened to her in 2008. Sanders is getting the free tuition younger crowd because he's promising a big goody for them. Beyond that he's doing little and has been outvoted by 2.5M votes. In short, if his revolution is too small to win over Democrats, what the hell is he going to do in the general election (answer: lose).

I don't have it, but I believe it was a Facebook meme with bright colors and an unflattering picture of Hillary while Bernie looked like Gandalf on an especially wise train of thought. It must be true.

I can respect that.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Why Evangelicals and Catholics are supporting tD.

http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/the-reasons-catholics-and-evangelicals-are-flocking-to-trump/

Interesting take on the hierarchies. I agree with that. But tD? I suppose if Kep can hold his nose as he pulls HRC's lever, I can have the puke bucket next to me if I do vote for tD. (VOMIT!)

Maybe I'll leave that line blank.

One quote stuck me- a woman who says it is a way to stop the politicization of the Church and then went on to say Jesus wasn't political. Helllooooooo? He was incredibly political. He took on the Jewish Hierarchy. If that wasn't political I don't know what is. It continues to astonish me how people have corrupted the view of Christ to meet their needs. Pretty sure Jesus would be standing up castigating all the candidates for something (except maybe Bernie who is the most Christian of the lot and he is a Jew )

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I don't have it, but I believe it was a Facebook meme with bright colors and an unflattering picture of Hillary while Bernie looked like Gandalf on an especially wise train of thought. It must be true.

You're assuming that there are flattering pictures of Hillary.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Why Evangelicals and Catholics are supporting tD.

http://www.lifezette.com/faithzette/the-reasons-catholics-and-evangelicals-are-flocking-to-trump/

Interesting take on the hierarchies. I agree with that. But tD? I suppose if Kep can hold his nose as he pulls HRC's lever, I can have the puke bucket next to me if I do vote for tD. (VOMIT!)

Maybe I'll leave that line blank.

Vote F U! (Frank Underwood)

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Hate to comment on speculation, but if Calgary Ted has in fact been banging chicks on the side, does he drop out? Normally I wouldn't impose this standard, but if you're going to present yourself as God's Chosen One, you should at least walk the walk...

 

[joecct]

Hate to comment on speculation, but if Calgary Ted has in fact been banging chicks on the side, does he drop out? Normally I wouldn't impose this standard, but if you're going to present yourself as God's Chosen One, you should at least walk the walk...

It worked for Boston Ted - and Arkansas Bill.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Hate to comment on speculation, but if Calgary Ted has in fact been banging chicks on the side, does he drop out? Normally I wouldn't impose this standard, but if you're going to present yourself as God's Chosen One, you should at least walk the walk...

No, if true, he's going to ask forgiveness from his voters as he's already done with God and his wife. Because people love the story of a fallen person who's making things right.

Meanwhile, the wife is standing off to the side of the stage staring laser beams through the back of his head.

 

[joecct]

One quote stuck me- a woman who says it is a way to stop the politicization of the Church and then went on to say Jesus wasn't political. Helllooooooo? He was incredibly political. He took on the Jewish Hierarchy. If that wasn't political I don't know what is. It continues to astonish me how people have corrupted the view of Christ to meet their needs. Pretty sure Jesus would be standing up castigating all the candidates for something (except maybe Bernie who is the most Christian of the lot and he is a Jew )

The Sanhedrin was more interested in political and secular things and paid lip service to the Law of Moses (except when it benefitted them). Christ called them on it.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part, let's say, X: There's a red moon rising On the Cuyahoga River

Pretty sure Jesus would be standing up castigating all the candidates for something (except maybe Bernie who is the most Christian of the lot and he is a Jew )

So was Jesus.

I suspect Jesus would regard Christians as idol-worshipping heathens.