Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Ultimately this little a-hole is responsible for the murders. However, the right does have to answer for this. When you've spent years talking about how white America is disappearing and America is under seige and blah blah blah, you give nut jobs like this cover to think they've got an audience. Its much like the Oklahoma City bombing. Don't say we're at war with the gubmint and then wonder where somebody got the idea to blow up a building.

No. They've spun it as an attack against Christianity. Fits their narrative perfectly. They'll answer to no one.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Um, TimP is Rover's 2nd ID. His statement was in perfect earnest (he actually agrees with you).

Well, that's embarrassing.

For the record, I don't think all R's are racists. In fact, I doubt many Members are racist or homophobic or even fundamentalist for that matter. Their constituents are, so they fake it.

 

[Rover]

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Could NHites comment on Hassan? It sounds like she'd be 50/50 to beat Ayotte, particularly in a presidential year. Obviously I'd like her to jump in to give the good guys a leg up on retaking the Senate.

Not a NHite but Ayotte will go the way of the Presidential race. She can't overcome a high double digit Dem victory unless she runs against an extremely flawed candidate. If the popular Hassam runs Ayotte's odds are a lot lower than 50/50. She's basically in Scott Brown land, a first term incumbent who sided up with Congressional Republicans and now has to face a much different electorate than their last election.

All these races except for IL are tied to the Presidential race given that we already know some of the matchups (WI=Johnson-Feingold, PA=Toomey-Sestak, OH=Portman-Strickland, NH=Ayotte-Hassam?, and Florida). In Illinois Kirk might want to beef up his resume starting now as he has little chance of prevailing in a state his party will lose by 20 points at the top of the ticket.

 

[Rover]

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Um, TimP is Rover's 2nd ID. His statement was in perfect earnest (he actually agrees with you).

It is? That's news to me as if I did come up with a fake ID, it wouldn't be as a BC fan!

Perhaps the board moderator can confirm that we're distinct posters...

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Not a NHite but Ayotte will go the way of the Presidential race. She can't overcome a high double digit Dem victory unless she runs against an extremely flawed candidate. If the popular Hassam runs Ayotte's odds are a lot lower than 50/50. She's basically in Scott Brown land, a first term incumbent who sided up with Congressional Republicans and now has to face a much different electorate than their last election.

All these races except for IL are tied to the Presidential race given that we already know some of the matchups (WI=Johnson-Feingold, PA=Toomey-Sestak, OH=Portman-Strickland, NH=Ayotte-Hassam?, and Florida). In Illinois Kirk might want to beef up his resume starting now as he has little chance of prevailing in a state his party will lose by 20 points at the top of the ticket.

I loathe RCP, but here's an article on the Senate that has the one virtue they might claim -- recency.

 

[Foxton]

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Well, that's embarrassing.

For the record, I don't think all R's are racists. In fact, I doubt many Members are racist or homophobic or even fundamentalist for that matter. Their constituents are, so they fake it.

Does being a dishonest scumbag somehow make them lesser scumbags than an honest one? Why else would you need to make such a distinction? Honestly that makes them much worse in my mind.

 

[Rover]

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Does being a dishonest scumbag somehow make them lesser scumbags than an honest one? Why else would you need to make such a distinction? Honestly that makes them much worse in my mind.

Yeah, I don't get the disctinction either.

 

[Kepler]

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Yeah, I don't get the disctinction either.

The distinction doesn't make them better people, but it is funny that their constituents are getting played while all the while their whole image is "authenticity."

 

[joecct]

Well, that's embarrassing.

For the record, I don't think all R's are racists. In fact, I doubt many Members are racist or homophobic or even fundamentalist for that matter. Their constituents are, so they fake it.

Kep

I think you have a rather broad brush for people/groups that you do not agree with. I think you need to step down in size.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Kep

I think you have a rather broad brush for people/groups that you do not agree with.

In the quoted sentence I meant "Some of their constituents." Who knows what percentage of R whites are really inveterate racists these days? I'd ballpark it at about a quarter -- about the same percentage of black Democrats who are. I'm always surprised the majority good apples don't hurt those pandering politicians more than the bad apples help them, but people can easily to turn a blind eye when they like the rest of the message, whether it's from Jesse Helms or Jesse Jackson.

I'd be all for putting both groups on the B ark if you're up for it.

 

[Rover]

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Huh. Interesting...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ory-with-guns-in-america-119185.html?hp=b2_c1

I had no idea Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill, really the only time the NRA has lost a vote in Congress in memory.

 

[Kepler]

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Huh. Interesting...

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...ory-with-guns-in-america-119185.html?hp=b2_c1

I had no idea Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill, really the only time the NRA has lost a vote in Congress in memory.

Interesting article; I had no idea either. My summary of the article and the issue would be:

Sanders’ improbable political journey — from quixotic left-wing politician scoring in the low single-digits in statewide elections to the longest-serving independent in congressional history — is one marked by this political acumen.

“The thing about Bernie which is different from most socialists, is Bernie wants to win,”

Bernie's big push is for economic justice, and being anti-gun would needlessly antagonize a primarily rural electorate. Kind of like Hillary's big push is for social justice, and opposing War Fever on the Iraq vote would needlessly antagonize a terrified electorate.

 

[Rover]

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Interesting article; I had no idea either. My summary of the article and the issue would be:



Bernie's big push is for economic justice, and being anti-gun would needlessly antagonize a primarily rural electorate. Kind of like Hillary's big push is for social justice, and opposing War Fever on the Iraq vote would needlessly antagonize a terrified electorate.

Personally I won't condemn the guy for this one vote...however I'm curious if his supporters who can be best described as "rabid" will cut him some slack that they are unwilling to cut Hillary Clinton on other issues. Really, for all the whining about how Bill Clinton wasn't really a liberal, he scored the biggest victory on this issue in decades with the Brady Bill/Assault Weapons Ban. Its fair to ask where Bernie stands on this now, as it took a lot of courage out of a lot of Congresscritters to pass that bill, many of which lost their jobs partly as a result of that vote.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

Personally I won't condemn the guy for this one vote...however I'm curious if his supporters who can be best described as "rabid" will cut him some slack that they are unwilling to cut Hillary Clinton on other issues. Really, for all the whining about how Bill Clinton wasn't really a liberal, he scored the biggest victory on this issue in decades with the Brady Bill/Assault Weapons Ban. Its fair to ask where Bernie stands on this now, as it took a lot of courage out of a lot of Congresscritters to pass that bill, many of which lost their jobs partly as a result of that vote.

Rabid supporters are useful when Election Day rolls around.

You don't need to Fishy-concern-troll Bernie. He's not going to stop the coronation, he's just going to make it a little more meaningful.

 

[Handyman]

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Rabid supporters are useful when Election Day rolls around.

You don't need to Fishy-concern-troll Bernie. He's not going to stop the coronation, he's just going to make it a little more meaningful.

Keep telling yourself that...dont pretend we wont know what will happen as soon as the Cyborg wins. Her "move to the left" you and Rover seem to think is going to happen will shift back so fast the win will cause a tsunami on the Potomac. Nothing short of Wall Street handing her a billion dollars to go Left will make her shift her "beliefs".

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Keep telling yourself that...dont pretend we wont know what will happen as soon as the Cyborg wins. Her "move to the left" you and Rover seem to think is going to happen will shift back so fast the win will cause a tsunami on the Potomac. Nothing short of Wall Street handing her a billion dollars to go Left will make her shift her "beliefs".

As has been my motto for the last 10+ years. It could be worse.

 

[Rover]

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Rabid supporters are useful when Election Day rolls around.

You don't need to Fishy-concern-troll Bernie. He's not going to stop the coronation, he's just going to make it a little more meaningful.

Them's fightin' werds! Comparing me to Fishy.

I'm not concern trolling the dude. What I'm interesting in is that his supporters seem to think he's adopted every liberal position known to mankind. I thought this was an even handed article (surprisingly for Politico) about one big liberal issue that he's not on board with. Better this comes out now than later. I couldn't tell you if there's any other times he's strayed more to the conservative side but a true evaluation of the guy, not a lefty version of the Reagan cartoon character that the right has created, is a lot more helpful.

 

[Kepler]

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Keep telling yourself that...dont pretend we wont know what will happen as soon as the Cyborg wins. Her "move to the left" you and Rover seem to think is going to happen will shift back so fast the win will cause a tsunami on the Potomac. Nothing short of Wall Street handing her a billion dollars to go Left will make her shift her "beliefs".

Do you have a better plan? As Scoob says, it could be worse: we know it could because it was from 1980-92 and 2000-08. Or to put it another way:

"The ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence over that by the good people." -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

A 5 aint a 9 but the other choice is a 1. As one must go home with someone, go home with the 5.

 

[busterman62]

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Keep telling yourself that...dont pretend we wont know what will happen as soon as the Cyborg wins. Her "move to the left" you and Rover seem to think is going to happen will shift back so fast the win will cause a tsunami on the Potomac. Nothing short of Wall Street handing her a billion dollars to go Left will make her shift her "beliefs".

I've yet to come across a politician that didn't subscribe to the following quote but HRC personifies it

Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.

Groucho Marx

 

[geezer]

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Does being a dishonest scumbag somehow make them lesser scumbags than an honest one? Why else would you need to make such a distinction? Honestly that makes them much worse in my mind.

I agree completely. The Washington Republicans are busy giving conservatism a bad name with their degeneracy, and the voters are so driven to think everything is "us vs. them" between parties, they don't dare contradict a word of it. They feed off each other. The giant flushing whirlpool of American politics just turns faster and faster. SOMEONE has to quit pandering and show actual conservative leadership. That person (who apparently hasn't been born) could do great things.