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Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
Trumps trumps another trump.
Trumps trumps another trump.
Handyman
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Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
Of course he did...Trump is proving the crazier you act the better your numbers.
Of course he did...Trump is proving the crazier you act the better your numbers.
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
Trump is like a parody of an offensively bad presidential candidate that you'd cast in a terrible comedy. I seriously don't understand the appeal at all unless there are that many people that are that angry at civilization...
Trump is like a parody of an offensively bad presidential candidate that you'd cast in a terrible comedy. I seriously don't understand the appeal at all unless there are that many people that are that angry at civilization...
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
If you get a chance, watch Monday's Larry Wilmore. There was an interesting discussion, and Colin Quinn of all people was the unexpected voice of reason.
tl; dw: It's 75% candidates are now so sanitized that anyone who appears authentic will get traction even if they're offensive and moronic, and 25% there really are racist azzhats out there who are happy to be fairly represented.
If you get a chance, watch Monday's Larry Wilmore. There was an interesting discussion, and Colin Quinn of all people was the unexpected voice of reason.
tl; dw: It's 75% candidates are now so sanitized that anyone who appears authentic will get traction even if they're offensive and moronic, and 25% there really are racist azzhats out there who are happy to be fairly represented.
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Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
How do you know that's not possible?
How do you know that's not possible?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
CNN poll out.
Money shot: Sanders would beat Walker or Trump head-to-head, run even with Jeb!
CNN poll out.
Money shot: Sanders would beat Walker or Trump head-to-head, run even with Jeb!
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Foxton
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Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
It's terrifying that a Bush has a favorable rating with anyone.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
I find it more amazing that anyone of either party could approach a 20 point lead in any head-to-head given how split the country is, but that's Hillary-Trump.
Hillary has favorable/unfavorables going back to 1992. That must be the deepest polling database on any person in history.
Also: 1% of respondents in this last poll "have never heard of" Hillary Clinton. I can't even...
I find it more amazing that anyone of either party could approach a 20 point lead in any head-to-head given how split the country is, but that's Hillary-Trump.
Hillary has favorable/unfavorables going back to 1992. That must be the deepest polling database on any person in history.
Also: 1% of respondents in this last poll "have never heard of" Hillary Clinton. I can't even...
FadeToBlack&Gold
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Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
Bush and Clinton are favoured by Bilderberg.
Bush and Clinton are favoured by Bilderberg.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
According to everyone around here she's a lock and no way a Repub wins. I bet she loses again and it's her fault just like in '08.
According to everyone around here she's a lock and no way a Repub wins. I bet she loses again and it's her fault just like in '08.
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Gurtholfin
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Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
I'm still waiting for the GOP to fold and disappear like some around here have been saying for years now.
I'm still waiting for the GOP to fold and disappear like some around here have been saying for years now.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
As long as there are white men with confederate flags there will be a GOP.
As long as there are white men with confederate flags there will be a GOP.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
I agree with this. People will fall right into line when the election is just a few weeks out. Nationally, the breakdown of those eligible for registration is probably about 56/44 Dem, registered voters about 54/46 Dem, and likely voters about 52/48 Dem. So nobody from either major party is going to get blown out Goldwater Style. Hillary ought to win, given a normal presidential election year turnout, but it's within the margin on so many battleground states that there are probably 2 or 3 scenarios out of 10 where the GOP candidate would win even without a major implosion, while either Hillary or Jeb! also always carries the possibility of turning into a gigantic fireball of fail just due to 3 decades of skullduggery perpetrated by their respective families.
I agree with this. People will fall right into line when the election is just a few weeks out. Nationally, the breakdown of those eligible for registration is probably about 56/44 Dem, registered voters about 54/46 Dem, and likely voters about 52/48 Dem. So nobody from either major party is going to get blown out Goldwater Style. Hillary ought to win, given a normal presidential election year turnout, but it's within the margin on so many battleground states that there are probably 2 or 3 scenarios out of 10 where the GOP candidate would win even without a major implosion, while either Hillary or Jeb! also always carries the possibility of turning into a gigantic fireball of fail just due to 3 decades of skullduggery perpetrated by their respective families.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
She's a lock for the nomination. However, as best as I can remember, not one person here has said anything like no way a Repub wins.
Where do you get this stuff?
She's a lock for the nomination. However, as best as I can remember, not one person here has said anything like no way a Repub wins.
Where do you get this stuff?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
Here and There. It's out there.
Here and There. It's out there.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
Nobody's said that, either. The GOP will be fine in House seats as long as they keep controlling state legislatures, and since state legislative elections do not track closely with national trendlines they could theoretically keep their state successes going on indefinitely. Where the GOP is in big trouble is presidential elections, having lost 4 of 6 outright, and 5 of 6 on popular vote. They are starting to get into some serious company for long-term major party FAIL in pursuit of the White House.
But even if they did start to slip in Congress, modern major parties adapt long before they get near extinction. The Dems seemed to be hurtling towards irrelevance in the 80s but the DLC and Clinton moved them hard right to self-correct. Eventually, if the GOP wants to win White House races, they'll have to come back from the lunatic right fringe. Yet even if they stay there, they still won't necessarily pay the piper for a LONG time in Congress, just like the Democrats hung on to their House majority for 24 years after the watershed 1968 election.
The GOP's risk is that they have to keep over-performing in off-cycle elections. They have less margin for error -- they can't screw up, and eventually they are going to screw up.
But still, all of this is against a backdrop of the country being at most 55/45 Dem. This isn't like the '30s when the Dems had some insane percentage of Congressional seats like 70%. And finally the GOP has an evergreen supply of large donors because of their policies, and that money can keep buying state and local elections for as long as "spending is free speech" stays on the books.
This is another reason the Republicans have to start paying attention to presidential elections. Lose a couple more elections and they will have lost their ability to win in the federal courts. It would be great to know the percentage of sitting federal judges nominated by each president.
Nobody's said that, either. The GOP will be fine in House seats as long as they keep controlling state legislatures, and since state legislative elections do not track closely with national trendlines they could theoretically keep their state successes going on indefinitely. Where the GOP is in big trouble is presidential elections, having lost 4 of 6 outright, and 5 of 6 on popular vote. They are starting to get into some serious company for long-term major party FAIL in pursuit of the White House.
But even if they did start to slip in Congress, modern major parties adapt long before they get near extinction. The Dems seemed to be hurtling towards irrelevance in the 80s but the DLC and Clinton moved them hard right to self-correct. Eventually, if the GOP wants to win White House races, they'll have to come back from the lunatic right fringe. Yet even if they stay there, they still won't necessarily pay the piper for a LONG time in Congress, just like the Democrats hung on to their House majority for 24 years after the watershed 1968 election.
The GOP's risk is that they have to keep over-performing in off-cycle elections. They have less margin for error -- they can't screw up, and eventually they are going to screw up.
But still, all of this is against a backdrop of the country being at most 55/45 Dem. This isn't like the '30s when the Dems had some insane percentage of Congressional seats like 70%. And finally the GOP has an evergreen supply of large donors because of their policies, and that money can keep buying state and local elections for as long as "spending is free speech" stays on the books.
This is another reason the Republicans have to start paying attention to presidential elections. Lose a couple more elections and they will have lost their ability to win in the federal courts. It would be great to know the percentage of sitting federal judges nominated by each president.
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Re: Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good
I'm not a fan of judging a man by his brother (remember Roger Clinton?) Jeb should be judged by his own personal ignorance and flipfloppiness, not someone else's.
I'm not a fan of judging a man by his brother (remember Roger Clinton?) Jeb should be judged by his own personal ignorance and flipfloppiness, not someone else's.
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