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Campaign 2016 -- Don't Let the Perfect Become the Enemy of the Good

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ScoobyDoo said:
I want Walker to win the nomination because he is a true believer that reflects their true values. The McCain and Romney campaigns and nomination wins were pure BS. You may think they'll get trounced if they do, you may be right. That's not the point. The point is they run on A and deliver B. I'm sick of getting B when they run on A. Time to run on B in the first place so we can have a real debate and get the BS over with.
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Then Bernie vs. Scott for all the marbles??

The "What You See is What You Get" Tour.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I want Walker to win the nomination because he is a true believer that reflects their true values. The McCain and Romney campaigns and nomination wins were pure BS. You may think they'll get trounced if they do, you may be right. That's not the point. The point is they run on A and deliver B. I'm sick of getting B when they run on A. Time to run on B in the first place so we can have a real debate and get the BS over with.
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Uh...what they deliver is not something any of the candidate are going to run on. You cant run on an anti-woman, anti-minority, pro war with zero funding platform that is ridiculous. Lets not pretend Hillary is going to run on what she will deliver either...these people hve no ideals of their own.
 
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joecct said:
Then Bernie vs. Scott for all the marbles??

The "What You See is What You Get" Tour.
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WYSIWYG candidates typically get destroyed (Goldwater, McGovern, Mondale). Having two would set up a classic Prisoner's Dilemma.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Works for me.
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I think Bernie wins that election. The electorate is "socialist but doesn't know it": leftist on individual policies while regarding itself as "conservative" as generic labeling. Fifty years of Cold War propaganda gave leftism a bad name in the US, but when voters think about specific measures stripped of labeling they almost always back liberal positions bordering on socialism.

A Bernie candidacy would wake Americans up to the political reality that socialism in western Europe is about economic security rather than the Utopian "World Revolution" of 19th century ideology. The 20th century totalitarianism of Russia and China was rooted in the political histories of those countries, and its pairing with communism was more accident than consequence. Hence, adoption of Neo-liberal economics in Russia has also been paired with Putin's authoritarianism.

American socialism would be its own thing, combining traditional American respect for rule of law and even private property protection (!) with unapologetically leftist solutions to broad collective concerns like poverty and child care. We have already seen the success of American "socialist" experiments in the military, medicine, unemployment, and social security.

This won't happen overnight, but if Bernie can redeem the idea of sincere left wing politics in the US from the shadows of McCarthyite / Reaganite slurs and slogans, we'd have a better debate with the full deck of cards on the table. As it's played out over the last few decades, the menu has been restricted to centrist, moderate right, and far right entrees, and none of them have met the needs of a country in which political power keeps slipping farther into the clutches of a self-interested plutocrat class. Marx didn't get everything right, but in regards to the latter he was Nostradamus when it comes to capitalism containing the seeds of its own self-destruction, as when left unregulated it naturally results in concentration of ownership of assets and concomitant political power among a smaller and smaller cadre of people, until eventually the 99% (or 99.9%) say "Enough."
 
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A couple of thoughts:

1) I'm amused by all the crocodile tears about Trump's attack in McCain's war record. Where were all these people during the 2004 Swift Boat campaign? When even Chuckles Todd is bringing this up, a GOP lapdog if there ever was one, that's a problem.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-tipping-point-donald-trump-n394976

2) I agree that the GOP should nominate a true believer, and there's a few to choose from beyond Trump who's in imperfect messanger for the angry intolerant message that sums up modern conservatism. Walker or Cruz will fit the bill to a T. Having said that I wouldn't write off Trump too quickly. There's little love for McCain amongst the base, and these same people weren't too concerned when GWB's campaign insunuated he was mentally unstable and had an out of wedlock child. :rolleyes:
 
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There's a lot of truth to the statement that Trump is only using the same racist dog whistles that all GOP politicians have been deliberately using since Lee Atwater, but without lying about it. The sin isn't the crime, it's the being caught.

The GOP runs a nice little racket where they can code their statements in high flown rhetoric of liberty and family values, but the baboons still hear "stick with us and we'll protect you from THE ELEMENT." Now here comes Trump ruining it for them. Of course they're mad -- he's endangering their meal ticket.
 
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I still say there's an opening for Calgary Ted Cruz in all of this. He's the ideological and spiritual heir to Trump's views when/if he implodes. Not a bad strategy for Trump to go after old party dinosaur McCain. Here's a not very well kept secret. Conservatives have little respect for a war record despite all their bleatings. One guy's campaign slandered both McCain and Kerry's heroic service in Vietnam, and righties were so upset at the guy....the elected him President. Twice. :rolleyes:

PS - Anybody think Jebbers! just bought himself a world of trouble over this? Can't wait for Hillary to pounce during a debate..."I respect all service, unlike Gov. Bush who wrote a glowing thank you to the Swift Boat organization congratulating them for smearing John Kerry so his brother could win election. Shall I quote a few passages from his letter?"
 
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Rover said:
PS - Anybody think Jebbers! just bought himself a world of trouble over this? Can't wait for Hillary to pounce during a debate..."I respect all service, unlike Gov. Bush who wrote a glowing thank you to the Swift Boat organization congratulating them for smearing John Kerry so his brother could win election. Shall I quote a few passages from his letter?"
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That's not for Hillary to do, but one (or hundreds) of her surrogates will.

I just can't imagine Cruz winning dog catcher -- the moment he opens his face hole you want to punch him back to Lake Louise. He's too much like a scripted reality TV villain -- pompous, patronizing, and obviously self-serving, he's that guy who if he's dating your sister you get a few friends together and politely recommend he look elsewhere. I have no idea how the guy ever got the Senate nomination in the first place. His hateability is higher than any elected official I can remember since Nixon.

Plus, you know his sleazeball father is going to say at least a dozen beam-me-up-Scotty level insanities over the next 6 months, and the two are joined at the hip in mutual nuttiness.
 
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Kepler said:
I just can't imagine Cruz winning dog catcher -- the moment he opens his face hole you want to punch him back to Lake Louise. He's too much like a scripted reality TV villain -- pompous, patronizing, and obviously self-serving.....Plus, you know his sleazeball father is going to say at least a dozen beam-me-up-Scotty level insanities over the next 6 months, and the two are joined at the hip in mutual nuttiness.
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Is this an argument for or against him getting the nomination? ;) Cruz is where the GOP base is, just like Trump. The base isn't mushy moderate like Bush nor loonitarian like Paul (they like using the gubmint to tell you what to do on social issues). Its a Cruz/Walker party, and Walker is about as interesting as burnt toast. Also don't forget how Cruz is going to once again force a government shutdown, right in the middle of the debates, thus skyrocketing his profile and favorability.
 
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Rover said:
Also don't forget how Cruz is going to once again force a government shutdown, right in the middle of the debates, thus skyrocketing his profile and favorability.
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If the RNC permits that to happen I'll believe they have finally lost control of the party. The leadership has seemed to be slouching towards their Franz von Papen moment of truth for years, now, but I still don't see it really happening. Too much money is at stake, and at the end of the day the Republican party is merely a business venture.
 
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Rover said:
Also don't forget how Cruz is going to once again force a government shutdown, right in the middle of the debates, thus skyrocketing his profile and favorability.
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Also makes me think of this.

"Trophies."
 
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Sarah Palin jumps in on the Trump/McCain issue
http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/...-trump-is-just-as-much-a-hero-as-john-mccain/
Joy of joys.

“Everywhere I go, hard-working patriotic Americans — not ‘crazies’ or ‘wacko birds’ — ask me to pass on to Mr. Trump encouragement to keep educating the masses about true ramifications of illegal immigration, and in general the real state of our union.”

Such a rousing endorsement.
 
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Foxton said:
Sarah Palin jumps in on the Trump/McCain issue
http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/...-trump-is-just-as-much-a-hero-as-john-mccain/
Joy of joys.

“Everywhere I go, hard-working patriotic Americans — not ‘crazies’ or ‘wacko birds’ — ask me to pass on to Mr. Trump encouragement to keep educating the masses about true ramifications of illegal immigration, and in general the real state of our union.”

Such a rousing endorsement.
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Everybody's ignoring Trump at their own peril. Too many Rick Perry or Herm Cain comparisons. Neither one of those guys had Trump's celebrity status, money, or ability to manage the media coverage of themselves. No, I'm not saying the guy is going to win, but his angry, bitter, enraged followers have to go somewhere. I don't see Jebbers! filling their needs, and Walker is a snorefest. I never take independent bids seriously, but I can see Trump doing that just to boost his own ego and keep himself relevant thru election day (Headline: Trump throws his support behind Bush. Bush throws it back.).
 
Foxton said:
Sarah Palin jumps in on the Trump/McCain issue
http://www.liberalamerica.org/2015/...-trump-is-just-as-much-a-hero-as-john-mccain/
Joy of joys.

“Everywhere I go, hard-working patriotic Americans — not ‘crazies’ or ‘wacko birds’ — ask me to pass on to Mr. Trump encouragement to keep educating the masses about true ramifications of illegal immigration, and in general the real state of our union.”

Such a rousing endorsement.
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Considering Mrs. Palin is from Wasilla, her definitions of "crazies" or "wacko birds" are a bit flawed.
 
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Rover said:
Everybody's ignoring Trump at their own peril.
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Yup. He doesn't know he's supposed to play by the standard script.

The standard script says: "Say something shocking, have media get knickers in twist over it, panic about negative media, put out apology, get run over by media for not standing up for what you said."

Trump? "Say something shocking. Say something else shocking. Media? < thbbft!* >"


*I love that Bill the Cat is back! :D
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Yup. He doesn't know he's supposed to play by the standard script.

The standard script says: "Say something shocking, have media get knickers in twist over it, panic about negative media, put out apology, get run over my media for not standing up for what you said."

Trump? "Say something shocking. Say something else shocking. Media? < thbbft!* >"


*I love that Bill the Cat is back! :D
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Actually the standard script is: "Say something shocking, have media get knickers in twist over it, fulminate against political correctness and the librul media, collect more money and votes from the goobers." :)

I am also glad Bill's back, but it's freaking impossible to find his latest strip -- you have to play hunt around FB and there is no incentive I can think of to spend more than one second on FB.
 
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