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Business, Economics, and Taxes: Capitalism. Yay? >=(

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psych said:
I’m extremely, extremely technologically challenged for someone my age, and it’s one click to turn on “include all fees, etc. before taxes”, one click on a picture of a room/house with, for instance “$1,211 before taxes” posted, and one more to click “reserve” on a particular room/house, and it says “5 nights $1,211, taxes $72.66, with the total $1,283.66”, with three options to pay. I mean I guess I could be missing something somewhere, and I don’t disagree that places gouge on cleaning fees, administrative fees, etc., but it’s been easy for me to witness the price gouging as it’s happened in real time.
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I just tried this out and doing the "include all fees" route does give you the price minus taxes, but it definitely masks what you're actually getting charged for. The home page gave me an option for an apartment for six days.

Do not include fees - shown on the venue page:
$138 a night
$45 cleaning fee
$122 AirBnB service fee

Do include fees - shown on the venue page:
$982.55 for six nights

Do include fees - click on reserve on the venue page, click on price breakdown on the reservation page:
$143.50 a night x 6
$122 service fee

So even then it's still not giving you the cleaning fee, it just rolls it into the nightly fee.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Update to this: Looks like the Teamsters have told UPS to present its “best, last, and final” offer for us to vote on in a week or two. It’ll undoubtedly fail and it looks like we’ll be on strike on August 1.
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I hope things work out for you Jim. We're pulling for you.
 
aparch said:
Side note: If you don't give a * about where you sleep (see above mentioned "I spend 20 minutes in the room, not including sleeping, tops" post), book through a third party site and get the cheapest rate.

If you want the actual room or amenities you booked online (1 king, 2 queen and a pullout sofa, pet friendly room, free whatever when booking, etc) then don't *ever* book through a third party site. Go directly through the hotel's booking site (their website, the corporate site, whatever they book though) or call directly and book the room.

The third party sites don't actually guarantee you're going to get what they sell you, and third party booked guests are the *first* people turned away from the hotel when they are oversold.

And mention that there are lower rates online when you do call, as some will knock down the rate. It may not be as much of a discount as the third party sites, but you're guaranteed to have the room you requested.
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I book hotels from the corporate site because my company gives us an enormous discount off even the nonrefundable rates posted. I've yet to find a third party that has beat the special pricing. Obviously YMMV. But that's why I do it.
 
Spartanforlife4 said:
I just tried this out and doing the "include all fees" route does give you the price minus taxes, but it definitely masks what you're actually getting charged for. The home page gave me an option for an apartment for six days.

Do not include fees - shown on the venue page:
$138 a night
$45 cleaning fee
$122 AirBnB service fee

Do include fees - shown on the venue page:
$982.55 for six nights

Do include fees - click on reserve on the venue page, click on price breakdown on the reservation page:
$143.50 a night x 6
$122 service fee

So even then it's still not giving you the cleaning fee, it just rolls it into the nightly fee.
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I mean, at the end of the day, the 982.55 is what ultimately matters. Who really cares if $50 of that is nominally a "cleaning fee" if it's still overall a better deal than the next best option that doesn't charge a cleaning fee?

At a certain point, itemization can go too far. Especially since it's not like you can haggle on this.
 
unofan said:
I mean, at the end of the day, the 982.55 is what ultimately matters. Who really cares if $50 of that is nominally a "cleaning fee" if it's still overall a better deal than the next best option that doesn't charge a cleaning fee?

At a certain point, itemization can go too far. Especially since it's not like you can haggle on this.
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This is true, unless there is conflict. For example lets say it isnt itemized so you don't know you are paying a cleaning fee but the House Rules say you need to clean up before you leave. That would be a bit shady and you would have no clue you are being ripped off and have zero recourse for it since you agreed to it..

Personally, I just think it is lame when it says one thing on one page, you click it based on that, then it changes things on the next page significantly. If you aren't trying to hide it just put there on the main listing. Like I said, even Vegas does that. (it says price does not include resort fee and often lists the fee with that note)

You know what hotels never say "you dont have to pay now" only to then make you pay now or apply for 3rd party credit. That is the type of crap fly by night mortgage companies do to scam people into buying homes. (especially before the crash of '08) It ranks up there with the phone calls we used to all get where we won a "free vacation"...you know until you want to actually confirm it and then it costs you exactly how much the vacation would cost anyways plus fees. Its second rate hack crap and it isn't needed.

Now, since I am not some rube I click on all of the info so I know what I am getting into. (i.e. House Rules and fees) But not everyone is as experienced and it is just good business practice IMHO.
 
I know a few older ups drivers, they have been warning the younger guys to save some money as they think a strike is coming and could be a long one. Given how the US gets a ton of shit online now should give you guys a chance to get the contract done.
 
walrus said:
I know a few older ups drivers, they have been warning the younger guys to save some money as they think a strike is coming and could be a long one. Given how the US gets a ton of **** online now should give you guys a chance to get the contract done.
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I’ve been at UPS for 17 years now and I had a feeling this was coming. The writing was on the wall when we elected our new Union President, I think I even mentioned it on here. It kind of rumbled a bit during negotiations for our last contract but there was also a feeling we wouldn’t have much public support (especially since Dump was President). This time though I think there’s a sense of opportunity.
 
JJ,

So how does this work on your end? Can you claim some sort of Unemployment Insurance (that the Union setup for this scenario) or do you just have to mind your own financial P's & Q's here? There has to be some sort of way to help keep the financially unstable in a survivable position since may of them are employed at entry level or near-entry level jobs.
 
RaceBoarder said:
JJ,

So how does this work on your end? Can you claim some sort of Unemployment Insurance (that the Union setup for this scenario) or do you just have to mind your own financial P's & Q's here? There has to be some sort of way to help keep the financially unstable in a survivable position since may of them are employed at entry level or near-entry level jobs.
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We’ll be able to claim money from our strike fund, it won’t be a huge amount but at least enough that people won’t starve, and we’ll also have access to our health care benefits. And obviously the union will be working to help families that need help.

I’m trying to find out information for people to donate to strike fund because I know people that have expressed interest in donating and helping.
 
They're probably playing dumb so they can gin up the standard narrative for the public about union bosses getting greedy and making unreasonable demands, trying to buy vacation homes and Cadillacs, blah, blah, blah.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
They're probably playing dumb so they can gin up the standard narrative for the public about union bosses getting greedy and making unreasonable demands, trying to buy vacation homes and Cadillacs, blah, blah, blah.
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Amazing how many working class Republicans believe that stuff.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
They're probably playing dumb so they can gin up the standard narrative for the public about union bosses getting greedy and making unreasonable demands, trying to buy vacation homes and Cadillacs, blah, blah, blah.
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That’s probably true, though I’ve gotten the sense that the company thought they had upper hand and could bully the new President around like the previous one.
 
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