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Business, Economics, and Taxes 2: That's Why We Fight to Take the Means Back

Breathtaking corruption.

U.S. multinational corporations will be exempted from paying more corporate taxes overseas in a deal finalized by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

The OECD announced Monday that nearly 150 countries have agreed on the plan, initially crafted in 2021, to stop large global companies from shifting profits to low-tax countries, no matter where they operate in the world.

The amended version excludes large U.S.-based multinational corporations from the 15% global minimum tax after negotiations between President Donald Trump’s administration and other members of the Group of Seven wealthy nations.
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It rhymes.

  • France under the Ancien Régime was divided society into three estates: the First Estate (clergy); the Second Estate (nobility); and the Third Estate (commoners). One critical difference between the estates of the realm was the burden of taxation. The nobles and the clergy were largely excluded from taxation while the commoners paid disproportionately high direct taxes.
  • The desire for more efficient tax collection was one of the major causes for French administrative and royal centralization. The taille became a major source of royal income. Exempted from the taille were clergy and nobles (with few exceptions). Different kinds of provinces had different taxation obligations and some among the nobility and the clergy paid modest taxes, but the majority of taxes was always paid by the poorest. Moreover, the church separately taxed the commoners and the nobles.
  • As the French state continuously struggled with the budget deficit, some attempts to reform the skewed system took place under both Louis XIV and Louis XV. The greatest challenge to introduce any changes was an old bargain between the French crown and the nobility: the king could rule without much opposition from the nobility if only he refrained from taxing them.
  • New taxes introduced under Louis XIV were a step toward equality before the law and sound public finance, but so many concessions and exemptions were won by nobles and bourgeois that the reform lost much of its value.
  • Although Louis XV also attempted to impose new taxes on the First and Second Estates, with all the exemptions and reductions won by the privileged classes the burden of the new tax once again fell on the poorest citizens.
  • Historians consider the unjust taxation system, continued under Louis XVI, to be one of the causes of the French Revolution.
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You can calculate all you want. The facts are the facts. And the facts are that there has NEVER been this great a concentration of wealth in human history. And it's getting worse every day. And the great majority of folks with money do not give two shits about the rest of the human race.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
You can calculate all you want. The facts are the facts. And the facts are that there has NEVER been this great a concentration of wealth in human history. And it's getting worse every day. And the great majority of folks with money do not give two shits about the rest of the human race.
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It would be interesting to look at real lord/serf numbers. When the people who didn’t work taxed the life out of the people who did. This concentration has happened before.

Also- humans have been humans for a pretty brief time and few generations all things considered. The hoarding for the future gene isn’t going anywhere.

Lastly- it’s my contention that humans are not more intelligent now. We just know more stuff. The great pyramids that dot this planet took some real smarts to make.
 
MichVandal said:
Lastly- it’s my contention that humans are not more intelligent now. We just know more stuff.
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It's mostly knowledge, but we had been sllllllllllowly breeding stupidity out until civilian deaths in wars began to exceed combatants and we started to, ya know, feed people.

We really did used to send the derps out as human waves. The Russians still do. It's not pretty but it works.

William Graham Sumner was probably right about social assistance and the welfare state. You save a handful of humans in every generation, true, but you lose the power of compound mortality.

tldr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
 
Russell Jaslow said:
I have always wholeheartedly believed this. Just look at the scientific, engineering, and heck, even governmental and philosophical, discoveries/achievements of Ancient Greece and Rome.
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Don’t forget the societies in the Americas and Africa. Oh and Asia. Or the amazing navigation of the pacific without tools or maps.

after a recent visit to some Mayan ruins, I wondered if anyone had done research on Mayan math- given their calendars accurately predicted so very much up to very recently even when their society collapsed over 500 years ago.
 
For fucks sake humanity went from the Wright Brothers to the moon in under 70 years.

I understand the overall argument being made and don't necessarily disagree, but a lot of the commentary seems like over-reactionary shrieking as a result of the current foothold MAGA has. I believe it too shall pass.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Sure, and the first measles vaccine was issued in 1963. It was eradicated in 2000. And now it's back in 2025. You know, progress.
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You're incorrectly conflating 'progress' with the fact human nature is cyclical. Just because measles is 'making a comeback' doesn't mean we're headed toward the dark ages.

Things are currently bleak without question, but 'we' have been here before.
 
Slap Shot said:
For fucks sake humanity went from the Wright Brothers to the moon in under 70 years.

I understand the overall argument being made and don't necessarily disagree, but a lot of the commentary seems like over-reactionary shrieking as a result of the current foothold MAGA has. I believe it too shall pass.
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Almost none of it has to do with MAGA...none of this goes away in 3 years. Half of the stuff we are discussing now we discussed 20 years ago (after 9/11) and 50 years ago (Vietnam) and 100 years ago (post WWI into WWII) and 130 years ago (Spanish American War) just with different people.

You guys can put your head in the sand and pretend this is all about Trump if it makes you feel better. Maybe pick up a history text book though (while they still exist) and realize our society is just reliving the exact same bullshit every other society (especially Western) did and we are no more civilized than they were. Unless it was MAGA interning the Japanese, or enslaving the Blacks, subjucating/excluding the Chinese, stealing from/murdering/ethnic cleansing the Natives, decimating the American Southwest and enslaving the Mexicans...etc. I didnt realize MAGA goes back to The Founders. (Might want yo look into who is responsible for many of the things MAGA is using...it aint all conservatives and it isnt just MAGA who likes it)

The amount of time and energy it will take to get back half of what we have lost in my lifetime is astronomical and no one is willing to do it. We wont even get rid of the political theater that is the TSA. I guess that is Trumps fault too.
 
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