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Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

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Bill-R- said:
Would it be hoping for too much to ask for a clean game? Seems like the last few years they spent at least 20 minutes in the box every time we've played them.
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If I were playing for the Bengals or the Knights and I faced this unfortunate situation I would want to play my last few games this season with respect for this great game and not want to spend ANY time what-so-ever in the penalty box. Those minutes are too precious to be wasted sitting in the sin bin. But hey, that's me ... I'm very, very wise.
 
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State University College at Geneseo Public Infractions Report.

The institution made a concerted effort to increase enrollment of international students when it created an International Services Department in 1999. As the campus is located less than two hours by car from the Canadian border, it made sense to focus on attracting students from that country. The Canadian Student Initiative Grants were designed for this purpose. The grants, which were first awarded in 2001, provided a room scholarship if the student lived on campus, and they also reduced tuition to the level paid by in-state residents.
Because of the institution's proximity to Canada and the proliferation of hockey prospects in that country, men's ice hockey coaches at the institution have recruited that country heavily and successfully. Institutional data as far back as 2004-05 showed that the majority of students enrolling in the institution from Canada participated in men's ice hockey. Since all Canadian enrollees were automatically awarded an initiative grant, it naturally occurred that most grants went to student-athletes, even though athletics ability was not considered when the grants were awarded. For example, of 14 grants awarded in 2004-05, 12 went to men's ice hockey student-athletes while two went to nonstudent-athletes. Similarly, of 18 grants awarded in 2005-06, 16 went to men's ice hockey student-athletes while two went to nonstudent-athletes.1
The NCAA Financial Aid Committee determined that, in spite of the awards being given with no consideration of athletics ability, the grants were nonetheless providing a financial aid packaging advantage to student-athletes. The institution acknowledged the problem and hoped to "broaden" the pool of awardees so as to ensure that the grants did not just go to student-athletes. However, the problems persisted, as set forth below:
Academic year Grants Awarded Grants to S-As % to S-As
2006-07 21 19 90
2007-08 21 21 100
2008-09 19 17 89

1.) Because the NCAA Division III Financial Aid Committee accepted the institution’s justifications for the 2004-05 and 2005-06 academic years, the violations that occurred during those years were not considered major violations.


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STATE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE AT BUFFALO PUBLIC INFRACTIONS REPORT

The institution had no formal, ongoing or planned initiatives for Canadian recruitment beyond participating in large college fairs in that country and/or sending out mass mailings regarding open houses. The college's admissions department did not actively recruit in Canada, but the coaches of the men's hockey team talked specifically about the grants when visiting prospects, as they knew the grants would be an incentive to get student-athletes to campus. With the vast majority of Canadian students being student-athletes being awarded an incentive grant, the disproportionate awarding of scholarship aid to student-athletes continued from the time the Canadian Incentive Grant began, as set forth below:

Academic year Grants awarded Grants to S-As % to S-As
2006-07 17 11 65
2007-08 9 9 100
2008-09 24 23 96
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Oswego does not, to my knowledge, have a grant program specifically for Canadian students, though we do have aid packages for students from out of the country. I can check tomorrow as I work in the Admissions office and will get back to everyone.
 
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OSUBamey said:
Oswego does not, to my knowledge, have a grant program specifically for Canadian students, though we do have aid packages for students from out of the country. I can check tomorrow as I work in the Admissions office and will get back to everyone.
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Neither does Plattsburgh. They have the "International Campus Community Award" for all international students who have at least the equivalent of a US High School GPA of 2.00.

But... it's $5,000 for some countries, and only $2,500 for others. Conveniently enough, Canada is part of that first group. I haven't looked at Oswego's yet.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
And that's different than how the playoffs were going to be this year anyway ... how?
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For some reason I thought the SUNYAC started going full out for playoffs giving everyone in the top 8 a spot. Whoops. The whole thing with the changes to single elimination and all that I had it stuck in my head that they had changed that aspect too.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Neither does Plattsburgh. They have the "International Campus Community Award" for all international students who have at least the equivalent of a US High School GPA of 2.00.
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2.00? Hope no one hurts themselves trying to qualify for that one.
 
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norm1909 said:
When you are ESL, that can be impressive, though for many, I'm sure you are right.
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Don't most colleges require at least a 2.00 GPA in order to graduate?

I'm not sure how "impressive" it is to meet the minimum requirements when someone else is footing the bill.
 
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Matthew Webb said:
That's a joke either way. Period.
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Note, both Geneseo & Buffalo State DID NOT restrict there programs to athletes, however, they failed to entice enough non-athletes so that the programs "effectively" became athletic awards. ESL is NOT a joke, I believe a 2.0 is an accomplishment for many, and that doesn't consider curriculum variations & cultural issues that make adjustment difficult as well. Some programs, such as New York's EOP require less than a 2.00 (though a 2.00 overall is required at the time of graduation). If you are going to stay "off the radar" (i.e. not be an outlier), you need to take as many precautions as possible.
 
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norm1909 said:
Note, both Geneseo & Buffalo State DID NOT restrict there programs to athletes, however, they failed to entice enough non-athletes so that the programs "effectively" became athletic awards. ESL is NOT a joke, I believe a 2.0 is an accomplishment for many, and that doesn't consider curriculum variations & cultural issues that make adjustment difficult as well. Some programs, such as New York's EOP require less than a 2.00 (though a 2.00 overall is required at the time of graduation). If you are going to stay "off the radar" (i.e. not be an outlier), you need to take as many precautions as possible.
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Why are you combining the NCAA issue and the "a 2.00 is a joke of a requirement for a free ride"?

Getting a free ride while meeting a college's bare minimums, is....a joke.
 
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one_to7 said:
Why are you combining the NCAA issue and the "a 2.00 is a joke of a requirement for a free ride"?

Getting a free ride while meeting a college's bare minimums, is....a joke.
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ESL is English as a Second Language, I believe Plattsburgh realizes that if their "International Campus Community Award" isn't going to end up producing the same "accidental" results as Geneseo & Buffalo State; they need to take as many pre-emptive steps as possible. Remember, Geneseo & Buffalo State programs WERE OPEN TO ALL students regardless of athletic skills/participation, however, since they failed to attract and sustain enough non-athletes, the NCAA said the programs "nonetheless providing a financial aid packaging advantage to student-athletes." Raising the bar above a 2.0 could be too much for an ESL student to risk.
 
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norm1909 said:
ESL is English as a Second Language, I believe Plattsburgh realizes that if their "International Campus Community Award" isn't going to end up producing the same "accidental" results as Geneseo & Buffalo State; they need to take as many pre-emptive steps as possible. Remember, Geneseo & Buffalo State programs WERE OPEN TO ALL students regardless of athletic skills/participation, however, since they failed to attract and sustain enough non-athletes, the NCAA said the programs "nonetheless providing a financial aid packaging advantage to student-athletes." Raising the bar above a 2.0 could be too much for an ESL student to risk.
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So to save the hockey team, they should give up all presumptions of academic integrity?

Then again, plattsburgh hockey must be a hotter ticket then fenwah paaaahhhhk.
 
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one_to7 said:
So to save the hockey team, they should give up all presumptions of academic integrity?

Then again, plattsburgh hockey must be a hotter ticket then fenwah paaaahhhhk.
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To have a viable program that promotes cultural diversity and inclusion versus one that "nonetheless provides a financial aid packaging advantage to student-athletes", they need to consider the needs of ESL students. I have hosted foreign exchange students, and I'll always remember one from Brazil who asked "Why do American's talk about male bovine feces so much":(
 
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norm1909 said:
To have a viable program that promotes cultural diversity and inclusion versus one that "nonetheless provides a financial aid packaging advantage to student-athletes", they need to consider the needs of ESL students. I have hosted foreign exchange students, and I'll always remember one from Brazil who asked "Why do American's talk about male bovine feces so much":(
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Um...if you raise the required gpa, the athletes would need to meet them too. So unless in your opinion ESL students are incapable of generally meeting above-minimal (note: not above average...above minimal) requirements, you are not making any sense.
 
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one_to7 said:
Um...if you raise the required gpa, the athletes would need to meet them too. So unless in your opinion ESL students are incapable of generally meeting above-minimal (note: not above average...above minimal) requirements, you are not making any sense.
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In order to be open to ALL, it must be ALL, creating an exception exclusively for ESL students would create the potential to "nonetheless provides a financial aid packaging advantage to student-athletes", perhaps not hockey, but thinking of that same Brazilian student, maybe Soccer. Yes, I do believe that for many incoming ESL students, maintaining "above minimal requirements" is a significant challenge, particularly since many ESL students, in addition to language issues also have significant cultural and other adjustments.
 
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It's a real shame the Administrators (Athletic, Admissions, etc.) responsible for NCAA compliance at both schools were asleep at the switch...understand how the proximity to Canada comes into play, but that applies to all of "Upstate New York"...

There are plenty of foreign students looking for educational opportunities in the states - you just have to get out there and let them know they are more than welcome and will be taken care of when they get there...

My daughter will be graduating from Elmira this June - while there are more than a few hockey playing Canadiens there, the contingent from the Far East and Europe is larger, which is the point of this story....

Again - adults not being responsible impacting kids who shouldn't have to add "What is the ratio of aid packages to Canadian Hockey players to all foreign studens under NCAA guidelines" to the list of questions when visiting campus with mom and dad.....very sad. NCAA should take that into account for those looking to transfer when considering eligibility - especially for upperclassmen if the wheels fall off either of these programs.
 
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