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Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Buffalo is a border city; what other Canadians would want to pay this amount. The tuition and fees, even with the Canadian Incentive Grant, are much more expensive than going to a comparable Canadian University.

Only hockey players are willing to pay this amount; I'm sure the Grant is available non-hockey players.

How do Oswego and Plattsburgh do it???

Simple. Plattsburgh and Oswego offer the foreign aid packages to EVERYONE, not just student-athletes.

Oswego has a whole dormitory dedicated to international students.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Only hockey players are willing to pay this amount; I'm sure the Grant is available non-hockey players.

Obviously you would be wrong, as the NCAA and the schools themselves have said otherwise.

How do Oswego and Plattsburgh do it???

I don't know. I am not Canadian. But obviously they don't only offer them to athletes.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Buffalo is a border city; what other Canadians would want to pay this amount. The tuition and fees, even with the Canadian Incentive Grant, are much more expensive than going to a comparable Canadian University.

Only hockey players are willing to pay this amount; I'm sure the Grant is available non-hockey players.

How do Oswego and Plattsburgh do it???

It's not that hard. If you grant financial aid to students, you better make sure it's offered across the board not just to student athletes.

I also question the availablity of college to some of these kids. I know there are some very prestigous universities in Canada but not everyone can go. Does Canada have a state (provence?) run university system comparable to say, SUNY? Maybe college sucks in Canada, I do not know.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Obviously you would be wrong, as the NCAA and the schools themselves have said otherwise.



I don't know. I am not Canadian. But obviously they don't only offer them to athletes.

Are...we...sure about that???
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

I also question the availablity of college to some of these kids. I know there are some very prestigous universities in Canada but not everyone can go. Does Canada have a state (provence?) run university system comparable to say, SUNY? Maybe college sucks in Canada, I do not know.

There we go...

Blame Canada.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Simply, I am ****ed. As a non-athlete student, I was always irked by the enhancements, of all types, offered to athletes at the school. As much as we're all a fan of athletics and enjoy collegiate sports, it seemed preposterous to me that at a Division-III state institution, how extensive the university's endorsement of dual experiences for athletes and non-athletes was. You expect something like that at Duke, but not Geneseo or Buffalo State.

If the postseason ban were for any length of time beyond this year, it would be assuredly the nail in the coffin for Geneseo hockey. It may still be, but it's less certain. The Canadian influx has been widespread throughout the SUNYAC, so this might not be the last we hear about this. However, this mechanism was a strong measure to get hockey players to the school. Geneseo's academic situation is much different than, say Oswego's or Plattsburgh's - and the school is only getting more selective. Getting top hockey players who can get into the school - with the NCAA carefully watching the admissions process - will become even more difficult.

Geneseo has, aside from a few brief spurts, been a historically average program, with brief spurts of success mired by significant droughts of sub-10 win seasons. Taking out this mechanism, the future does not look bright for the Ice Knights. You only need look at Morrisville or Lebanon Valley to see what taking the hope (hope of a playoff berth, hope of a postseason run, hope of tasting the NCAAs) out of the locker room does. There's only one person left associated with the hockey program at Geneseo that was around when the team won its back-to-back league championships, and that's assistant coach Kris Heeres. The culture of winning that existed in my early years at the school has completely dissipated.

Chris Schultz took over for Jason Lammers in 2006-7. That year Mitch Stephens only had ten goals against 45 assists, and dispite being the team's most dynamic threat, spent most of the power play hovering away from the net. That team also included Mike MacDonald, Steve Jordan, Mark Schwamberger, and Brett Bestwick making their final appearances in Geneseo uniforms. Once that core of Geneseo's championship teams left, Scultz guided the team to a combined record of 30-39-2, including this season. That's a winning percentage of .437. And it doesn't look like it's about to get better, does it? The fact that the NCAA has just determined Geneseo had a recruiting advantage over other schools* while Schultz was racking up this winning percentage is especially concerning. Where's the issue then? A superior recruiting advantage, combined with a solid coach, should lead to success on the ice. The fact we can establish Geneseo had a recruiting advantage, seems to suggest Schultz either isn't a very good recruiter, or isn't a very good coach. And that conclusion raises questions if he'll be able to bring the program back to prominance after this latest setback and being forced to entice players on the same playing field as all other schools operate.

So Geneseo's administrators have to make a choice on how seriously they want to take athletics, especially their largest drawing sport of hockey. They need to decide if they want to commit financial resources legitimately, or if they want to focus on being an academic instiution. And if they are going to put the monetary resources into athletics, they need to determine if they are getting the best possible value for their dollar.

Suffice it to say, there are no happy Geneseo hockey fans today.

*And it is a recruiting advantage. Other schools might do that same thing, but if they do it in an acceptable manner to include the entire student body, that means they either have fewer opportunities for athletes, or are spending a wider portion of their budget on it, decreasing services elsewhere and making the insitutiton as a whole less attractive.

Does this mean we can get Kevin Galan back for the two years you stole him from us by giving him a free education?

I feel it is the right thing to do.:D
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

There we go...

Blame Canada.

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Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Simple. Plattsburgh and Oswego offer the foreign aid packages to EVERYONE, not just student-athletes.

Oswego has a whole dormitory dedicated to international students.

Fact: The Canadian incentive package was offered to all Canadians attending Geneseo. It just so happens that the majority of Canadians at the school play hockey. I do know of a specific case where there was a girl at Geneseo from Canada that did not play any sports that also received the incentive.

I'm curious to know how the Oswegos and Plattsburgs of D3 attract so much Canadian talent. Don't they have financial aid packages?
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Oswego actually has a ton of Asian-country students that get really, really good financial aid packages. A couple of years ago the SUNY system opened up enrollment to Chinese and Japanese students that normally wouldn't have been perceived as candidates for admission. Some SUNY schools (specifically Oswego, Fredonia, and I believe Oneonta (from what I've heard, take it with a grain of salt)) put together very incentive laden packages to get these students to attend.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Fact: The Canadian incentive package was offered to all Canadians attending Geneseo. It just so happens that the majority of Canadians at the school play hockey.

The majority??? Thats not a lot of Canadians considering the percentage of students playing hockey as are enrolled.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

.....I remember hearing about it after the Kevin Galan departure at PSU. He left PSU cause it was too expensive and Geneseo offered a better aid package.

Bill: I think I remember Coach Emery on "Behind the Bench" saying that Galan left Plattsburgh because Genny offered a degree that Plattsburgh didn't [PreMed?]. While the "aid package" may be true, I never heard that.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Bill: I think I remember Coach Emery on "Behind the Bench" saying that Galan left Plattsburgh because Genny offered a degree that Plattsburgh didn't [PreMed?]. While the "aid package" may be true, I never heard that.

Sent you a PM with details.
 
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the problem is not that they were receiving incentives. It is the fact that they were the only ones receiving them. If ALL Canadians attending those schools had the same opportunity to qualify for the grants, then I believe, there would not be an issue.

In these two cases, it seems these grants were only available to the athletes, which is a HUGE no-no.
Not having read the rest of the thread, this isn't how I read it.

I read it as it was open to all canadians, it just happened that virtually ALL the canadians at the schools were athletes, so it basically turned into an athletic grant even though it wasn't intended that way.
 
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