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Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
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SB in the 'Seo
How 'bout a Fresca?
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Who do you think you are man?
After everything Josh has done for Geneseo St. athletics from 2004-2009 you have the audacity to call him out for getting a little ticked off at the situation. I can't think of anyone who has done more for Geneseo athletics in the last 5 yrs (that received no pay) besides Josh. If anyone has the right to be peeved it's him.
I'm not happy about the situation either, but please let's not start in-fighting.
Who do you think you are man?
After everything Josh has done for Geneseo St. athletics from 2004-2009 you have the audacity to call him out for getting a little ticked off at the situation. I can't think of anyone who has done more for Geneseo athletics in the last 5 yrs (that received no pay) besides Josh. If anyone has the right to be peeved it's him.
I'm not happy about the situation either, but please let's not start in-fighting.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Well, it's not that earth shattering.
It's going to be a straight news article, most of which people who read this thread already know about. I'm just trying to get some quotes that you wouldn't find here.
Well, it's not that earth shattering.
It's going to be a straight news article, most of which people who read this thread already know about. I'm just trying to get some quotes that you wouldn't find here.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
It does bring up the question if any D1 programs that don't offer scholarships will be looked at.
It does bring up the question if any D1 programs that don't offer scholarships will be looked at.
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
I can't believe that I missed this thread for about 20 hours! What was I doing last night?
I have been grilled before for saying this, but I still believe it is generally true: "Show me a school with an internal student grant program and I will show you a school that plays ice hockey."
Remember that for Buffalo State and Geneseo "Both cases were resolved through the summary-disposition process......instead of a formal hearing."
I wonder what other schools may be heading down the road of a formal hearing by the NCAA instead of pleading guilty and proposing their own penalties as did these fine SUNY institutions.
I can't believe that I missed this thread for about 20 hours! What was I doing last night?
I have been grilled before for saying this, but I still believe it is generally true: "Show me a school with an internal student grant program and I will show you a school that plays ice hockey."
Remember that for Buffalo State and Geneseo "Both cases were resolved through the summary-disposition process......instead of a formal hearing."
I wonder what other schools may be heading down the road of a formal hearing by the NCAA instead of pleading guilty and proposing their own penalties as did these fine SUNY institutions.
collegehcky2
Vinegar Strokes
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Could SUNY (or SUNYAC) punish them as well?
Could SUNY (or SUNYAC) punish them as well?
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
They could, but they will not.
They could, but they will not.
Stormy8174
Registered User
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Given what you stated, it would make more sense to me but the way AGPennypacker phrased it, "The Canadian incentive package was offered to all Canadians attending Geneseo" sounded as if there was something here which has not been stated...and that might be true...however it would be noteworthy that the Canadian hockey players were getting more, or a "better" package?
Given what you stated, it would make more sense to me but the way AGPennypacker phrased it, "The Canadian incentive package was offered to all Canadians attending Geneseo" sounded as if there was something here which has not been stated...and that might be true...however it would be noteworthy that the Canadian hockey players were getting more, or a "better" package?
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Absolutely not!!!! This would be a major infraction and constitute an athletic scholarship.
The issue is merely one of proportionality.
Absolutely not!!!! This would be a major infraction and constitute an athletic scholarship.
The issue is merely one of proportionality.
AGPennypacker
Im a wealthy American Industrialist
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
The Canadian incentive package was the same for all at the school. The hockey players did not receive any more/different compensation to those few Canadians who did not play hockey.
I think the school/administration/athletic program did what it thought was necessary when the incentive was first offered to make it a non-advantageous offer. However much or little all those involved did would be speculative on my part and obviously doesn't matter now. It's unusual, though, that this started back in 2001, but they are only receiving sanctions for the last 3 or so years. What changed since then from the previous 4 or 5?
The Canadian incentive package was the same for all at the school. The hockey players did not receive any more/different compensation to those few Canadians who did not play hockey.
I think the school/administration/athletic program did what it thought was necessary when the incentive was first offered to make it a non-advantageous offer. However much or little all those involved did would be speculative on my part and obviously doesn't matter now. It's unusual, though, that this started back in 2001, but they are only receiving sanctions for the last 3 or so years. What changed since then from the previous 4 or 5?
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
I guess I just don't see the benefit to anyone in punishing this in light of the admission by all parties that it was an unintended consequence of a SUNY-wide program. It would seem to encourage schools to either:
1) discontinue such programs (as happened in this case) and deny potential aid to both athletes and non-athletes based on a purely athletic issue,
2) deny aid or admission to one set of students while granting it to another simply because the former desires to play college sports (the same issue the NCAA wants to combat, but in reverse), or
3) tell international students they must forfeit aid in order to play (the Buff State LAX situation).
If a college is earnestly blind to the athletic desires of its international population in offering aid, I don't see how penalizing it and forcing any of these choices as a result is in the best interests of either the schools, the student-athletes, or international students in general.
I guess I just don't see the benefit to anyone in punishing this in light of the admission by all parties that it was an unintended consequence of a SUNY-wide program. It would seem to encourage schools to either:
1) discontinue such programs (as happened in this case) and deny potential aid to both athletes and non-athletes based on a purely athletic issue,
2) deny aid or admission to one set of students while granting it to another simply because the former desires to play college sports (the same issue the NCAA wants to combat, but in reverse), or
3) tell international students they must forfeit aid in order to play (the Buff State LAX situation).
If a college is earnestly blind to the athletic desires of its international population in offering aid, I don't see how penalizing it and forcing any of these choices as a result is in the best interests of either the schools, the student-athletes, or international students in general.
Josh Carey
Stats Guy
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Somebody agreed to plead guilty at the outset to avoid having their league championships stripped? Merely a theory, but if you know **** is going to hit the fan, you protect what's most valuable. In 07-08 the rate of hockey players compared to all Canadians was 100%, as far as an open and shut case on an infraction...
And everyone disagreeing with anything I have to say in this thread is welcome to. You won't be the first or the last. Clearly my opinions are just that, mine. But I'm willing to put my name to them, for better or worse.
Somebody agreed to plead guilty at the outset to avoid having their league championships stripped? Merely a theory, but if you know **** is going to hit the fan, you protect what's most valuable. In 07-08 the rate of hockey players compared to all Canadians was 100%, as far as an open and shut case on an infraction...
And everyone disagreeing with anything I have to say in this thread is welcome to. You won't be the first or the last. Clearly my opinions are just that, mine. But I'm willing to put my name to them, for better or worse.
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
The terrible part about the whole situation is that the kids didn't realize they were part of the wrong-doing. In D-1 sports, a guy gives you a car, you know its wrong. This is not the kids fault. But, who pays for it? The kids. They should have given them the rest of this season, then given them a chance to transfer or whatever for next year. That is a bunch of B.S. How are the people getting punished who actually caused the problem?
The terrible part about the whole situation is that the kids didn't realize they were part of the wrong-doing. In D-1 sports, a guy gives you a car, you know its wrong. This is not the kids fault. But, who pays for it? The kids. They should have given them the rest of this season, then given them a chance to transfer or whatever for next year. That is a bunch of B.S. How are the people getting punished who actually caused the problem?
SB in the 'Seo
How 'bout a Fresca?
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
I had no problem with legitimate disagreements people may have with points Josh makes, but there was just a tone of disrespect that was unacceptable for a "GSU insider" to show towards someone who has sacrificed a lot towards your program.* If the post had started "I appreciate everything you've done for us, but ...." or " I respectfully disagree..." then there is no problem. Also there was no actual factual disagreement just an insult.
*This assumes that GSUinsider's name is a literal one and he is involved in the Geneseo St. hockey program in one way or another (fan, gsu alumni, etc...). Of course, if I'm misinterpreting the name and he or she isn't associated with Genny .... well for example it's not like some random UWRF fan gives two ***** about what Josh has done for Geneseo, but an Ice Knights fan should.
I had no problem with legitimate disagreements people may have with points Josh makes, but there was just a tone of disrespect that was unacceptable for a "GSU insider" to show towards someone who has sacrificed a lot towards your program.* If the post had started "I appreciate everything you've done for us, but ...." or " I respectfully disagree..." then there is no problem. Also there was no actual factual disagreement just an insult.
*This assumes that GSUinsider's name is a literal one and he is involved in the Geneseo St. hockey program in one way or another (fan, gsu alumni, etc...). Of course, if I'm misinterpreting the name and he or she isn't associated with Genny .... well for example it's not like some random UWRF fan gives two ***** about what Josh has done for Geneseo, but an Ice Knights fan should.
SB in the 'Seo
How 'bout a Fresca?
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
As far as the violations themselves I still haven't formed any strong opinions about blaming anyone in particular within Geneseo or being PO'd at the NCAA. Simply put it doesn't look like Geneseo did any intentional cheating, but the NCAA saw the numbers and they decided it wasn't kosher (and I can't say I disagree with them there.) If heads end up rolling I can't say I'm going to shed any tears, but I'm not sure I could give you a name if pressed.
When I woke up this morning I felt the same as I do after a really gut wrenching loss (Giants playoff loss to San Fran on that botched snap comes to mind as does the 2001 WS loss for the Yankees) kind of sick, hoping it was just a bad dream, and definitely did not want to go into work/school. This is a new kind of loss though because the season ended when I was surfing the web just killing sometime between working out and eating dinner then ... Bang! Blindsided by a freight train. The next few hours were a blur and once I regained consciousness I realized our season had been ended by a few suits in a board room.
At the end of last season for Geneseo, they lost their last game to Oswego and when we arrived back some of my friends and family asked me over the next couple days "Were the players really bummed out on the bus ride home?" and I thought about it and said "No, spirits were pretty high and the returning players seemed anxious to get to work for next season ... the future is bright." With the amount of parity we see in sports today you can almost always tell yourself "the future is bright." How many times have you heard someone say "we're one big bat away," "we're a wide receiver away," or "we're one top recruit away?"
That's why I'm writing this, just to tell everyone out there to enjoy the rest of your season because even if it comes to an end before you want it to the next day you'll be able to tell yourself "the future is bright." As a Geneseo fan, my season ended yesterday and I can't tell myself that ... the best I can do is "the future is cloudy"
As far as the violations themselves I still haven't formed any strong opinions about blaming anyone in particular within Geneseo or being PO'd at the NCAA. Simply put it doesn't look like Geneseo did any intentional cheating, but the NCAA saw the numbers and they decided it wasn't kosher (and I can't say I disagree with them there.) If heads end up rolling I can't say I'm going to shed any tears, but I'm not sure I could give you a name if pressed.
When I woke up this morning I felt the same as I do after a really gut wrenching loss (Giants playoff loss to San Fran on that botched snap comes to mind as does the 2001 WS loss for the Yankees) kind of sick, hoping it was just a bad dream, and definitely did not want to go into work/school. This is a new kind of loss though because the season ended when I was surfing the web just killing sometime between working out and eating dinner then ... Bang! Blindsided by a freight train. The next few hours were a blur and once I regained consciousness I realized our season had been ended by a few suits in a board room.
At the end of last season for Geneseo, they lost their last game to Oswego and when we arrived back some of my friends and family asked me over the next couple days "Were the players really bummed out on the bus ride home?" and I thought about it and said "No, spirits were pretty high and the returning players seemed anxious to get to work for next season ... the future is bright." With the amount of parity we see in sports today you can almost always tell yourself "the future is bright." How many times have you heard someone say "we're one big bat away," "we're a wide receiver away," or "we're one top recruit away?"
That's why I'm writing this, just to tell everyone out there to enjoy the rest of your season because even if it comes to an end before you want it to the next day you'll be able to tell yourself "the future is bright." As a Geneseo fan, my season ended yesterday and I can't tell myself that ... the best I can do is "the future is cloudy"
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norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
I believe the desire to make sure that international students other than recruited hockey players apply, is the reason why Plattsburgh sets the graduation minimum 2.0 as the requirement for its program. I do not believe that Plattsburgh, nor the potential international students "goal" is to only get a 2.0, but as an international student recruiting aid. As a potential student, knowing I can keep my financial aid, should I only achieve a 2.0, might be enough to persuade me to attend Plattsburgh, as well as allowing me to achieve better results at a lower stress level, knowing I don't "have to" achieve better.
Geneseo & Buffalo’s “guilt” came not from of their Athletic Departments intentionally looking to circumvent NCAA policies, nor their Admissions Departments targeting only student athletes, but rather their Admissions Departments failure to market the program to successfully lure enough international students to off-set those being actively recruited for athletic programs.
I believe the desire to make sure that international students other than recruited hockey players apply, is the reason why Plattsburgh sets the graduation minimum 2.0 as the requirement for its program. I do not believe that Plattsburgh, nor the potential international students "goal" is to only get a 2.0, but as an international student recruiting aid. As a potential student, knowing I can keep my financial aid, should I only achieve a 2.0, might be enough to persuade me to attend Plattsburgh, as well as allowing me to achieve better results at a lower stress level, knowing I don't "have to" achieve better.
Geneseo & Buffalo’s “guilt” came not from of their Athletic Departments intentionally looking to circumvent NCAA policies, nor their Admissions Departments targeting only student athletes, but rather their Admissions Departments failure to market the program to successfully lure enough international students to off-set those being actively recruited for athletic programs.
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Josh Carey
Stats Guy
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Point 1 reinforces Point 2, which leads me to want to make Points 3 and 4 in a moment. It can obviously be done that the program is established in such a way that it doesn't violate NCAA regulations. Every other SUNY school with some sort of program (i.e. not Cortland and Brockport) seem to be doing the same thing. But they're fine because the percentages of athletes are lower. That's because their programs were targeted at all international students (per reports we're getting from Oswego and Plattsburgh in this thread - also Jaslow's assertion no other SUNYAC teams are under investigation).
So here's my question: Shouldn't some level of review have taken place some time between 2001 and 2010 where somebody at Geneseo said "Hey, you know, this program that we have trying to entice Canadians students, some of whom live just two hours from us, isn't really working. Sure, we're getting about 20 applicants a year, but almost all of them are hockey players that are being directly recruited to the school. In terms of a measure of the program's success, we're not getting any students who we aren't specifically recruiting. And if we're going to get the students we're specifically recruiting* anyways, why are we funding this program?"
*Yes, if you eliminated the funding, you wouldn't get the exact same people, but you would get whatever replacements you decided to specifically recruit. So unless those people you're recruiting are so valuable to the college in some way (say - great ability at hockey), why continue the program, or not divert its funds towards international students as a whole?
Which then raises the question: Why exactly are we convinced these violations were unintentional, or at the very least, benign? Because the schools say so and the NCAA believes them? Even if the schools did it intentionally, they'd say they did it unintentionally (and especially if they did it intentionally they'd be more willing to plead guilty before a formal hearing might pull out all the skeletons. Especially at a state school where a well-placed FOIA request could make public any knowing of wrongdoing). And this is the same NCAA that has 11 teams in the postseason tournament. We've suddenly stopped bashing on them and decided their investigative unit is superior to the people in the rest of the building?
The fact there was no review that brought up these red flags (even after the NCAA brought up concerns after 05-06) is curious. It's enough to make you wonder if the university was intentionally seeking an advantage,
I have spoken to a number of general student population alumni from Geneseo since this news broke. Not a single one is surprised there was a violation, and none were particularly surprised by the probation. The student body believed there to be an advantage for hockey players, which seems the strongest representation there was one. You can argue whether or not it was intentional, but it seems kind of silly to automatically take the university's word for it. Yes, I've read Jaslow's column with the quotes from President Dahl. He clearly has a vested interest in the case. And I'm well familiar with this dynamic. There are many unfavorable things I observed in my years at Geneseo that would have reflected negatively on the program that went unreported (and will continue to stay unreported, due to the nature of on/off the record interactions and discussions). Just as I suggest you question President Dahl's intentions, I ask you question mine. Only each individual can make that value judgment, but it's not like you find out about bad accounting practices from the guys who will go into the office to crunch the numbers the next day.
So why am I so upset? Because as somebody who went to Geneseo, I am looking at this money as a de facto athletic scholarship at the Division-III level. That's the determination the NCAA made regardless of my discussion of intention above. If the program was akin to Buffalo State's (free housing), we're looking at $5k a year times 20 recipients, or $100,000 annually that could have gone elsewhere in the college. That's $500,000 over my time at Geneseo. What could that have bought for the entire student body, rather than just serving to funnel players into a middling hockey program? Or, what international student outside of Canada might have had a chance at the same opportunity as I had - an education at a top state institution - they didn't have because they weren't from Canada?
And it seems to me, if you're cheating, you should at least be winning.
Point 1 reinforces Point 2, which leads me to want to make Points 3 and 4 in a moment. It can obviously be done that the program is established in such a way that it doesn't violate NCAA regulations. Every other SUNY school with some sort of program (i.e. not Cortland and Brockport) seem to be doing the same thing. But they're fine because the percentages of athletes are lower. That's because their programs were targeted at all international students (per reports we're getting from Oswego and Plattsburgh in this thread - also Jaslow's assertion no other SUNYAC teams are under investigation).
So here's my question: Shouldn't some level of review have taken place some time between 2001 and 2010 where somebody at Geneseo said "Hey, you know, this program that we have trying to entice Canadians students, some of whom live just two hours from us, isn't really working. Sure, we're getting about 20 applicants a year, but almost all of them are hockey players that are being directly recruited to the school. In terms of a measure of the program's success, we're not getting any students who we aren't specifically recruiting. And if we're going to get the students we're specifically recruiting* anyways, why are we funding this program?"
*Yes, if you eliminated the funding, you wouldn't get the exact same people, but you would get whatever replacements you decided to specifically recruit. So unless those people you're recruiting are so valuable to the college in some way (say - great ability at hockey), why continue the program, or not divert its funds towards international students as a whole?
Which then raises the question: Why exactly are we convinced these violations were unintentional, or at the very least, benign? Because the schools say so and the NCAA believes them? Even if the schools did it intentionally, they'd say they did it unintentionally (and especially if they did it intentionally they'd be more willing to plead guilty before a formal hearing might pull out all the skeletons. Especially at a state school where a well-placed FOIA request could make public any knowing of wrongdoing). And this is the same NCAA that has 11 teams in the postseason tournament. We've suddenly stopped bashing on them and decided their investigative unit is superior to the people in the rest of the building?
The fact there was no review that brought up these red flags (even after the NCAA brought up concerns after 05-06) is curious. It's enough to make you wonder if the university was intentionally seeking an advantage,
I have spoken to a number of general student population alumni from Geneseo since this news broke. Not a single one is surprised there was a violation, and none were particularly surprised by the probation. The student body believed there to be an advantage for hockey players, which seems the strongest representation there was one. You can argue whether or not it was intentional, but it seems kind of silly to automatically take the university's word for it. Yes, I've read Jaslow's column with the quotes from President Dahl. He clearly has a vested interest in the case. And I'm well familiar with this dynamic. There are many unfavorable things I observed in my years at Geneseo that would have reflected negatively on the program that went unreported (and will continue to stay unreported, due to the nature of on/off the record interactions and discussions). Just as I suggest you question President Dahl's intentions, I ask you question mine. Only each individual can make that value judgment, but it's not like you find out about bad accounting practices from the guys who will go into the office to crunch the numbers the next day.
So why am I so upset? Because as somebody who went to Geneseo, I am looking at this money as a de facto athletic scholarship at the Division-III level. That's the determination the NCAA made regardless of my discussion of intention above. If the program was akin to Buffalo State's (free housing), we're looking at $5k a year times 20 recipients, or $100,000 annually that could have gone elsewhere in the college. That's $500,000 over my time at Geneseo. What could that have bought for the entire student body, rather than just serving to funnel players into a middling hockey program? Or, what international student outside of Canada might have had a chance at the same opportunity as I had - an education at a top state institution - they didn't have because they weren't from Canada?
And it seems to me, if you're cheating, you should at least be winning.
norm1909
Larry Normandin
Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
I think you are spot on. When I said “Geneseo & Buffalo’s “guilt” came not from of their Athletic Departments intentionally looking to circumvent NCAA policies,...” what did I think the Athletic Departments’ intentions were? I believe the Athletic Departments’ were simply in “good faith” exercising “maximum utilization of available resources”. Sure, they were intentionally bringing the programs existence to the attention of potential athletes. I believe they were sincerely operating in “good faith” that their compatriots (administration), were exercising due diligence and making sure the program meet NCAA Division III “non-scholarship” requirements.
Your question, “So here's my question: Shouldn't some level of review have taken place some time between 2001 and 2010 where somebody at Geneseo said "Hey, you know, this program that we have trying to entice Canadians students, some of whom live just two hours from us, isn't really working. Sure, we're getting about 20 applicants a year, but almost all of them are hockey players that are being directly recruited to the school. In terms of a measure of the program's success, we're not getting any students who we aren't specifically recruiting. And if we're going to get the students we're specifically recruiting* anyways, why are we funding this program?"” is the issue. I believe that Plattsburgh’s administration does intend its program to target international students, and that there are enough international student recruiters, particularly its International Student Services (ISS) and Admissions and Center for Diversity, Pluralism and Inclusion (CDPI) programs to significantly complement the actions of the athletic recruiters. I am NOT aware and have not researched Geneseo or Buffalo States’ non-athletic programs actively targeting international students, but obviously it fell far short of satisfying the NCAA.
I think you are spot on. When I said “Geneseo & Buffalo’s “guilt” came not from of their Athletic Departments intentionally looking to circumvent NCAA policies,...” what did I think the Athletic Departments’ intentions were? I believe the Athletic Departments’ were simply in “good faith” exercising “maximum utilization of available resources”. Sure, they were intentionally bringing the programs existence to the attention of potential athletes. I believe they were sincerely operating in “good faith” that their compatriots (administration), were exercising due diligence and making sure the program meet NCAA Division III “non-scholarship” requirements.
Your question, “So here's my question: Shouldn't some level of review have taken place some time between 2001 and 2010 where somebody at Geneseo said "Hey, you know, this program that we have trying to entice Canadians students, some of whom live just two hours from us, isn't really working. Sure, we're getting about 20 applicants a year, but almost all of them are hockey players that are being directly recruited to the school. In terms of a measure of the program's success, we're not getting any students who we aren't specifically recruiting. And if we're going to get the students we're specifically recruiting* anyways, why are we funding this program?"” is the issue. I believe that Plattsburgh’s administration does intend its program to target international students, and that there are enough international student recruiters, particularly its International Student Services (ISS) and Admissions and Center for Diversity, Pluralism and Inclusion (CDPI) programs to significantly complement the actions of the athletic recruiters. I am NOT aware and have not researched Geneseo or Buffalo States’ non-athletic programs actively targeting international students, but obviously it fell far short of satisfying the NCAA.
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Re: Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations
Here's kind of the theoretical aspect of it.
Clearly it would be a violation if this program were "available to everybody," but the only people who were told about it were hockey players. I'm not saying that was the case, but looking at the data one might think so.
Just making up numbers here, to describe a situation that the NCAA would investigate, and put in the context of a fictitious sport, so that nobody thinks I'm casting stones at either school.
Suppose that the NCAA sanctioned cricket as an intercollegiate sport, and Mid-Nebraska tech had an international scholarship program that allowed free tuition for all British citizens. Further suppose that of the 200 students on campus, there were 16 British citizens, and of the 20 man cricket roster, there were 15 British citizens.
Here's what the NCAA would see:
Campus percentage on this aid package 8%
Cricket team percentage on this aid package 75%
This means that you could examine a random student's financial aid package and predict with some certainty whether of not a student was a cricket play. Hence - violation (because that is the standard)
Here's where the issues can arise in the DIII scheme of things. The question would be whether this is a de facto athletic scholarship or a failure of the school's admissions program to attract students who qualify for this aid package who are not interested in this sport. Did admissions make a good faith effort, or did they let the athletic department do all their British recruiting. The NCAA doesn't want to get involved investigating beyond the letter of the law. Thus, they are going to say either stop playing cricket or take their athletes off the program or eliminate the program. Is it fair - seems to me that the NCAA should look at intent but if you're not DI, they don't want to expend the energy.
Here's kind of the theoretical aspect of it.
Clearly it would be a violation if this program were "available to everybody," but the only people who were told about it were hockey players. I'm not saying that was the case, but looking at the data one might think so.
Just making up numbers here, to describe a situation that the NCAA would investigate, and put in the context of a fictitious sport, so that nobody thinks I'm casting stones at either school.
Suppose that the NCAA sanctioned cricket as an intercollegiate sport, and Mid-Nebraska tech had an international scholarship program that allowed free tuition for all British citizens. Further suppose that of the 200 students on campus, there were 16 British citizens, and of the 20 man cricket roster, there were 15 British citizens.
Here's what the NCAA would see:
Campus percentage on this aid package 8%
Cricket team percentage on this aid package 75%
This means that you could examine a random student's financial aid package and predict with some certainty whether of not a student was a cricket play. Hence - violation (because that is the standard)
Here's where the issues can arise in the DIII scheme of things. The question would be whether this is a de facto athletic scholarship or a failure of the school's admissions program to attract students who qualify for this aid package who are not interested in this sport. Did admissions make a good faith effort, or did they let the athletic department do all their British recruiting. The NCAA doesn't want to get involved investigating beyond the letter of the law. Thus, they are going to say either stop playing cricket or take their athletes off the program or eliminate the program. Is it fair - seems to me that the NCAA should look at intent but if you're not DI, they don't want to expend the energy.