Buffalo State, SUNY Geneseo penalized for aid violations

[Russell Jaslow]

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Out West I would look at the NCHA, St. Norbert, Superior, CSS to start. I would also stress Adian College, however, Adrian has far fewer Canadian players that CSS and St. Norbert. I am not sure about out East, but I have heard that Norwich tends to get a few Canadian hockey players/ students as well.

Anyone who has read this entire thread and my article on USCHO already knows it has nothing to do with how many Canadians are on a team.

Buffalo State women's lacrosse only has one Canadian, but it affects them, too.

This will be very interesting to see how things shake out. The balance of power could change a bit in the near future. Or maybe, the NCAA will not do anything more in fear of disturbing the classic power houses of D-3 hockey.

You are aware that the investigation committee is usually made up of people from schools that don't even have a hockey team!

Besides, tell that to Alabama football and possibly USC football.

Not to mention Plattsburgh hockey.

 

[westscout]

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I am aware of this. Still, these are the schools out West, that need to be looked at.

I agree that the tip of iceburg is being exposed and out West, these are the institutions that should be investigated. Adrian is one of them for sure, but the other NCHA schools are not out of questioning at all.

I did read the article and this is why I listed these institutions.

Westscout

 

[Hammer]

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IIRC Adrian got their house in order regarding this matter, and got clearance from the NCAA, about 5 years before anybody here got any ideas about hockey in general.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Breaking news in my column this week.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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Posted when?

 

[KnightsOfTheRound]

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From the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle:

The Blue Knights have nine Canadians in their sophomore and junior classes that are affected. Those players have three options: Stay at Geneseo and play hockey but lose the CSI aid; stay at the school but not play hockey and receive the aid; or transfer to another college.

"Admission here is not easy," Schultz said. "If we lose a potential student-athlete because of this violation, they didn't choose Geneseo for the right reason."

Full Article: http://www.democratandchronicle.com...TS/Geneseo-hockey-team-facing-loss-of-players

I am completely at a loss for words that Coach Schultz went on the record with these comments

At best he's being insensitive about a very unfortunate situation; at worst he's placing the blame on his own student athletes for making the decision to attend Geneseo.

These are kids whose decision to attend Geneseo was heavily influenced by the hockey program-- some of them recruited by Schultz himself-- and who were offered a pretty sweet package in order to attend (free room and board and in-state tuition if I'm not mistaken). Most of these kids aren't rich, and the financial aid package would have been a very important consideration. For many, its essential.

Now that they've been jerked around by the administration and have to choose between their aid and playing hockey, well, maybe they should have went to a different school if it was that important to them.

If the school official who was supposed to be looking out for my interests the most threw me under the bus like that, I'd wish I went to a different school too.

Maybe I missed it. Can somebody please direct me to a statement from the school where it accepts responsibility and apologizes for running an illicit aid program that ****ed over its own students? Anywhere?

Simply unbelievable. I'm getting more upset about this story the more I learn.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Posted when?

Whenever the editor gets to it.

But as long as we meet our deadline (which I did) I think he promises to post it by either 6 or 8 (can't remember which).

However, sometimes it's up, but not officially linked to yet before then. There are ways to find it earlier if you know how to look...

 

[AGPennypacker]

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From the Rochester Democrat & Chronicle:



Full Article: http://www.democratandchronicle.com...TS/Geneseo-hockey-team-facing-loss-of-players

I am completely at a loss for words that Coach Schultz went on the record with these comments

At best he's being insensitive about a very unfortunate situation; at worst he's placing the blame on his own student athletes for making the decision to attend Geneseo.

These are kids whose decision to attend Geneseo was heavily influenced by the hockey program-- some of them recruited by Schultz himself-- and who were offered a pretty sweet package in order to attend (free room and board and in-state tuition if I'm not mistaken). Most of these kids aren't rich, and the financial aid package would have been a very important consideration. For many, its essential.

Now that they've been jerked around by the administration and have to choose between their aid and playing hockey, well, maybe they should have went to a different school if it was that important to them.

If the school official who was supposed to be looking out for my interests the most threw me under the bus like that, I'd wish I went to a different school too.

Maybe I missed it. Can somebody please direct me to a statement from the school where it accepts responsibility and apologizes for running an illicit aid program that ****ed over its own students? Anywhere?

Simply unbelievable. I'm getting more upset about this story the more I learn.

Thanks for posting the article.

My interpretation is that Schultz is thinking that even without playing hockey, the students will still receive a highly valuable education. Although it's very unfortunate that the athletes are the ones who are the most affected by the sanctions, they still have the opportunity to attend one of the top public schools in the country (according to the links in Norm's previous posts). I think he is also implying that many of the hockey players would not have got into the school without the help of the hockey team pushing them through admissions, so they at least can take take that away from the situation.

My guess, though, is that many will be looking to transfer to schools where there are better "financial aid" packages.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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Whenever the editor gets to it...However, sometimes it's up, but not officially linked to yet before then. There are ways to find it earlier if you know how to look...

Found it....nice work

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Breaking news in my column this week.

Just read it and...

 

[aerogroup2]

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Just read the NCAA sanction report. Here's the Cliff Notes:

1. Billions of Canadians live 2 hours from Geneseo, but none of them want to go to college there.
   

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   Cliff Note correction: Total population of Canada is about 34 million [less than California], not "billions" within 2 hours.

 

[Hammer]

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I believe the proper term here is "WHOOOOOOOSH".

 

[KnightsOfTheRound]

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Cliff Note correction: Total population of Canada is about 34 million [less than California], not "billions" within 2 hours.

I'm glad there was a geography major here to clear that up. But the question remains, how many of those Canadians live in dog sledding distance of Geneseo? Hmm?

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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I'm glad there was a geography major here to clear that up. But the question remains, how many of those Canadians live in dog sledding distance of Geneseo? Hmm?

Depends on how far a dogsled can go...

The interesting population stat about Canada for me has always been that 90% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the United States. Considering Canada is the second largest country in the world (at least it was when the Soviet Union existed; I don't know about now) land wise, that means there is a heck of a lot of remote land in that country.

 

[SB in the 'Seo]

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"Admission here is not easy," Schultz said. "If we lose a potential student-athlete because of this violation, they didn't choose Geneseo for the right reason."

I think what he is saying is that education comes first so either way the kids should be coming back next year it's just a matter of if they accept the grant and don't play hockey or don't accept it and play. If they don't come back that means they made their decision based on hockey which as Schultz says "isn't the right reason."

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Depends on how far a dogsled can go...

The interesting population stat about Canada for me has always been that 90% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the United States. Considering Canada is the second largest country in the world (at least it was when the Soviet Union existed; I don't know about now) land wise, that means there is a heck of a lot of remote land in that country.

Russia is still slightly less than twice the size of Canada in terms of total land area. Canada is #2. Then either the US or China, depending on which disputed territories you consider to be part of china and which you don't

Then Brazil rounds out the top 5.

 

[Dyce]

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Depends on how far a dogsled can go...

The interesting population stat about Canada for me has always been that 90% of the Canadian population lives within 100 miles of the United States. Considering Canada is the second largest country in the world (at least it was when the Soviet Union existed; I don't know about now) land wise, that means there is a heck of a lot of remote land in that country.

They huddle near us for warmth And the other part of it that often gets overlooked is that half the country is essentially a giant slab of rock.

 

[UCBadger]

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Breaking news in my column this week.

You mean the bit about Morrisville?

 

[Dyce]

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You mean the bit about Morrisville?

Gotta be, although I'll admit the part of the article I find most intriguing is the commentary by both Russell and Emery in this week's "On the Periphery." It's a shame Russell's reasoning on the subject is so sound, because the article he describes would be pretty darn interesting, to say the least.

 

[UCBadger]

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The Canadian Incentive Grant at Buff State for 2009/2010 was free Campus Housing (value of $2874 per semester); but they still had to pay the out-of-state tuition of $6435 plus fees per semester.

I can assure you, it would have been cheaper to stay in Canada; but obviously Hockey Players are motivated for the out-of-country experience.

Does the CIG include board? If so, the value of housing almost doubles. Geneseo quotes room and board to be $9,550 per year. (They quote out of state tuition and fees as $14,195 per year.)