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BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
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Slow learner I guess.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
no. he probably used it rather well.
no. he probably used it rather well.
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What a witty response.
Folks that understand the game know that Coach Parker recruited high-end offensive players and hardly put the shackles on them.
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Rover, I think this one is for you.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Now i know....One can get a hernia, from laughter.
Now i know....One can get a hernia, from laughter.
theprofromdover
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It was sardonic, not witty. Dope.
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Hmmm...bad-mouthing two very strong programs traditionally full of high-quality players and coaches. Well done.
sterlippo1
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
wow, is it a full moon or sumthin?
wow, is it a full moon or sumthin?
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Did you know that Lowell went 1-5-0 after allowing the first goal of the game when it started the season 4-7-1 but after the unbeaten streak began, went 8-3-1 when conceding first the rest of the way? Of course you didn't. But then, that gets into small sample sizes, so here's the records for the entire last two seasons for every team in Hockey East when allowing the first goal.
2011-12 (Bazin's first season)
Maine 10-9-1 (.525), 21 points
BU 10-10-1 (.500), 21 points
Lowell 7-10-1 (.417), 15 points
BC 3-6-0 (.333), 6 points
Amherst 6-14-2 (.318), 14 points
UNH 5-12-2 (.316), 12 points
Merrimack 4-10-2 (.313), 10 points
NU 3-10-3 (.281), 9 points
UVM 3-14-1 (.194), 7 points
PC 3-17-2 (.182), 8 points
2012-13
Lowell: 9-9-1 (.500), 19 points
UNH 7-10-4 (.429), 16 points
BU 8-11-1 (.425), 17 points
Maine 3-11-7 (.310), 13 points
BC 4-10-0 (.286), 8 points
UVM 4-14-3 (.262), 11 points
Merrimack 3-12-3 (.250), 9 points
Amherst 3-15-2 (.200), 8 points
NU 3-12-0 (.200), 6 points
PC 1-11-3 (.167), 5 points
Total
BU 18-21-2 (.463), 38 points
Lowell 16-19-2 (.459), 34 points
Maine 13-20-8 (.415), 34 points
UNH 12-22-6 (.375), 30 points
BC 7-16-0 (.304), 14 points
UVM 7-28-4 (.231), 18 points
Merrimack 7-22-5 (.279), 19 points
Amherst 9-29-4 (.262), 22 points
NU 6-22-3 (.242), 15 points
PC 4-28-5 (.176), 13 points
(Because I assume you were mainly discussing last season, I highlighted Lowell's best in conference record when conceding the first goal. Not only were you were wrong, you couldn't have been more wrong if you had an electrified wronging machine.)
So as you can see, Lowell was top-3 in Hockey East, ahead of even Boston College, when conceding first in each of the past two seasons. They were also second overall.
Ah, but then you say, "Well maybe Lowell played soft out of conference competition. Fair enough. Here are the league-only numbers during that time:
2011-12 (Bazin's first season)
BU 9-7-1 (.559), 19 points
Maine 7-8-0 (.467), 14 points
Lowell 6-7-1 (.464), 13 points
UNH 3-9-1 (.269), 7 points
Amherst 3-11-2 (.250), 8 points
Merrimack 2-8-2 (.250), 6 points
BC 1-4-0 (.200), 2 points
PC 2-13-1 (.156), 5 points
NU 0-8-3 (.136), 3 points
UVM 1-10-0 (.091), 2 points
2012-13
UNH 4-6-4 (.429), 12 points
Lowell 4-7-1 (.375), 9 points
BU 4-8-0 (.333), 8 points
BC 4-8-0 (.333), 8 points
Maine 2-8-7 (.324), 11 points
UVM 3-8-3 (.321), 9 points
Merrimack 3-10-1 (.250), 7 points
PC 1-7-3 (.227), 5 points
Amherst 2-13-1 (.156), 5 points
NU 1-11-0 (.083), 2 points
Total
BU 13-15-1 (.466), 27 points
Lowell 10-14-2 (.423), 22 points
Maine 9-16-7 (.391), 25 points
UNH 7-15-5 (.352), 19 points
BC 5-12-0 (.294), 10 points
UVM 4-18-3 (.250) 13 points
Amherst 5-24-3 (.203), 13 points
PC 3-20-4 (.185), 10 points
NU 1-19-3 (.109), 5 points
Once again, Lowell is Nos. 3 and 2 in the league the last two seasons, and No. 2 overall, in getting back into games once they've conceded first, so your theory doesn't hold water here either. Lowell also has the second-most total points regardless of who scored when during that time, behind only BC, but you already knew that.
However, because you're a BU fan and BU was first over that same timespan, what your hypothesis probably does tell us, apart from you being hopelessly wrong, is that you only probably watch BU games and that colors your opinion because you enter into all observation of the league with bias.
I can't wait for your apology.
Lowell was tied for third in league scoring (3.00/gm) and fourth in overall scoring (also 3.00/gm). I guess that's boring?
There's being wrong, and then there's this absurd statement. This is where armchair analysis and lazy speculation based on only your perception, and not facts, really make you look like a fool.
Did you know that Lowell went 1-5-0 after allowing the first goal of the game when it started the season 4-7-1 but after the unbeaten streak began, went 8-3-1 when conceding first the rest of the way? Of course you didn't. But then, that gets into small sample sizes, so here's the records for the entire last two seasons for every team in Hockey East when allowing the first goal.
2011-12 (Bazin's first season)
Maine 10-9-1 (.525), 21 points
BU 10-10-1 (.500), 21 points
Lowell 7-10-1 (.417), 15 points
BC 3-6-0 (.333), 6 points
Amherst 6-14-2 (.318), 14 points
UNH 5-12-2 (.316), 12 points
Merrimack 4-10-2 (.313), 10 points
NU 3-10-3 (.281), 9 points
UVM 3-14-1 (.194), 7 points
PC 3-17-2 (.182), 8 points
2012-13
Lowell: 9-9-1 (.500), 19 points
UNH 7-10-4 (.429), 16 points
BU 8-11-1 (.425), 17 points
Maine 3-11-7 (.310), 13 points
BC 4-10-0 (.286), 8 points
UVM 4-14-3 (.262), 11 points
Merrimack 3-12-3 (.250), 9 points
Amherst 3-15-2 (.200), 8 points
NU 3-12-0 (.200), 6 points
PC 1-11-3 (.167), 5 points
Total
BU 18-21-2 (.463), 38 points
Lowell 16-19-2 (.459), 34 points
Maine 13-20-8 (.415), 34 points
UNH 12-22-6 (.375), 30 points
BC 7-16-0 (.304), 14 points
UVM 7-28-4 (.231), 18 points
Merrimack 7-22-5 (.279), 19 points
Amherst 9-29-4 (.262), 22 points
NU 6-22-3 (.242), 15 points
PC 4-28-5 (.176), 13 points
(Because I assume you were mainly discussing last season, I highlighted Lowell's best in conference record when conceding the first goal. Not only were you were wrong, you couldn't have been more wrong if you had an electrified wronging machine.)
So as you can see, Lowell was top-3 in Hockey East, ahead of even Boston College, when conceding first in each of the past two seasons. They were also second overall.
Ah, but then you say, "Well maybe Lowell played soft out of conference competition. Fair enough. Here are the league-only numbers during that time:
2011-12 (Bazin's first season)
BU 9-7-1 (.559), 19 points
Maine 7-8-0 (.467), 14 points
Lowell 6-7-1 (.464), 13 points
UNH 3-9-1 (.269), 7 points
Amherst 3-11-2 (.250), 8 points
Merrimack 2-8-2 (.250), 6 points
BC 1-4-0 (.200), 2 points
PC 2-13-1 (.156), 5 points
NU 0-8-3 (.136), 3 points
UVM 1-10-0 (.091), 2 points
2012-13
UNH 4-6-4 (.429), 12 points
Lowell 4-7-1 (.375), 9 points
BU 4-8-0 (.333), 8 points
BC 4-8-0 (.333), 8 points
Maine 2-8-7 (.324), 11 points
UVM 3-8-3 (.321), 9 points
Merrimack 3-10-1 (.250), 7 points
PC 1-7-3 (.227), 5 points
Amherst 2-13-1 (.156), 5 points
NU 1-11-0 (.083), 2 points
Total
BU 13-15-1 (.466), 27 points
Lowell 10-14-2 (.423), 22 points
Maine 9-16-7 (.391), 25 points
UNH 7-15-5 (.352), 19 points
BC 5-12-0 (.294), 10 points
UVM 4-18-3 (.250) 13 points
Amherst 5-24-3 (.203), 13 points
PC 3-20-4 (.185), 10 points
NU 1-19-3 (.109), 5 points
Once again, Lowell is Nos. 3 and 2 in the league the last two seasons, and No. 2 overall, in getting back into games once they've conceded first, so your theory doesn't hold water here either. Lowell also has the second-most total points regardless of who scored when during that time, behind only BC, but you already knew that.
However, because you're a BU fan and BU was first over that same timespan, what your hypothesis probably does tell us, apart from you being hopelessly wrong, is that you only probably watch BU games and that colors your opinion because you enter into all observation of the league with bias.
I can't wait for your apology.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
lies!
dam lies!!
and statistics!!!
lies!
dam lies!!
and statistics!!!
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Congrats to Matt Nieto for making the Sharks' opening game roster following his first pro training camp.
http://www.mercurynews.com/sharks/ci_24208671/san-jose-sharks-keeping-three-rookie-forwards
Congrats to Matt Nieto for making the Sharks' opening game roster following his first pro training camp.
http://www.mercurynews.com/sharks/ci_24208671/san-jose-sharks-keeping-three-rookie-forwards
ericredaxe
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
I think the point was that Lowell's style of play (Nothing to do with total goals scored) is boring to most non-lowell fans. I would think most non-Lowell fans would agree.
No disrespect... it works and they are a very good team.... but does not make for the most entertaining hockey to the neutral fan.
If over the past 2 years Lowell was 16-19-2 when allowing the first goal, then they were 36-5-1 when scoring the first goal. I agree with Harry in saying that getting the first goal against Lowell is pretty important.
I think the point was that Lowell's style of play (Nothing to do with total goals scored) is boring to most non-lowell fans. I would think most non-Lowell fans would agree.
No disrespect... it works and they are a very good team.... but does not make for the most entertaining hockey to the neutral fan.
If over the past 2 years Lowell was 16-19-2 when allowing the first goal, then they were 36-5-1 when scoring the first goal. I agree with Harry in saying that getting the first goal against Lowell is pretty important.
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Wow, what analysis: HE teams are 57-153-28 (.298) when conceding first against each other in-league the past two seasons and your conclusion is that "getting the first goal against Lowell is pretty important?" Amazing no hockey team has scooped you up to do analytical research for them.
ericredaxe
Veteran
I said nothing about the other hockey east teams.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
1. It's pretty important for every team, don't you think?
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2. Last season Lowell had the best winning percentage when conceding the first goal. The best. Period. No one was better. So explain how it's important for Lowell to score first (and thus how scoring first against them is some kind of magical blueprint) when every single team in Hockey East is statistically worse when comparing that metric. Wouldn't that mean that out of all the teams in Hockey East, it matters least to score first against Lowell? Am I missing something? Please, show your work.
1. It's pretty important for every team, don't you think?
and
2. Last season Lowell had the best winning percentage when conceding the first goal. The best. Period. No one was better. So explain how it's important for Lowell to score first (and thus how scoring first against them is some kind of magical blueprint) when every single team in Hockey East is statistically worse when comparing that metric. Wouldn't that mean that out of all the teams in Hockey East, it matters least to score first against Lowell? Am I missing something? Please, show your work.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
I'm not even sure why I'm entering this conversation, as I haven't actually watched enough of UML to say how much differently they play in each situation, but it is a slow morning at work so below is the average of a teams winning percentage minus their conceding first winning percentage over the past two years.
BC 0.387
PC 0.306
Merrimack 0.246
Lowell 0.218
Amherst 0.155
UNH 0.152
NU 0.150
BU 0.121
Maine 0.087
UVM 0.062
League AVG: .188
And while not adjusted for the percentage of time a team concedes first it should roughly show the difference in odds of winning once conceding first vs the odds of winning before the game started. Here UML is 4th highest, above league average. 2 of the 3 teams it is behind are generally regarded as defense first while the third is perceived to have the best offense in the league.
What does that mean, and are my perceptions of BC, PC, and MC correct? Who knows.
I'm not even sure why I'm entering this conversation, as I haven't actually watched enough of UML to say how much differently they play in each situation, but it is a slow morning at work so below is the average of a teams winning percentage minus their conceding first winning percentage over the past two years.
BC 0.387
PC 0.306
Merrimack 0.246
Lowell 0.218
Amherst 0.155
UNH 0.152
NU 0.150
BU 0.121
Maine 0.087
UVM 0.062
League AVG: .188
And while not adjusted for the percentage of time a team concedes first it should roughly show the difference in odds of winning once conceding first vs the odds of winning before the game started. Here UML is 4th highest, above league average. 2 of the 3 teams it is behind are generally regarded as defense first while the third is perceived to have the best offense in the league.
What does that mean, and are my perceptions of BC, PC, and MC correct? Who knows.
jcarter7669
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Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
No one is arguing any different. Now put on your big girl panties and stop with the tantrum.
Well, I'm no statistician, but here goes. When Lowell scores the first goal their winning % is 85.7% but when the other team scores first their win% is 43.2% So they win about twice as often when they score first. And that's why it is important for Lowell to score first. If you are still having trouble I could see if I can get my 7 year old to explain it in terms you may understand more easily.
No one is arguing any different. Now put on your big girl panties and stop with the tantrum.
Well, I'm no statistician, but here goes. When Lowell scores the first goal their winning % is 85.7% but when the other team scores first their win% is 43.2% So they win about twice as often when they score first. And that's why it is important for Lowell to score first. If you are still having trouble I could see if I can get my 7 year old to explain it in terms you may understand more easily.
Re: BU 2013 Offseason Thread - Bring on the Mighty Quinn
Anyone got thoughts on what we might see for lines on Saturday or who might start in goal? I imagine they will be playing both Maguire and O'Connor. Should we expect to see different styles of play throughout the game with different lines as Quinn looks at the freshman (and to a lesser extent the rest of the players) against a real opponent (and by that I mean not a scrimmage)? Or should we expect rigid lines and a consistent strategy?
Anyone got thoughts on what we might see for lines on Saturday or who might start in goal? I imagine they will be playing both Maguire and O'Connor. Should we expect to see different styles of play throughout the game with different lines as Quinn looks at the freshman (and to a lesser extent the rest of the players) against a real opponent (and by that I mean not a scrimmage)? Or should we expect rigid lines and a consistent strategy?
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