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Brown University Bears 2011-12
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Re: Brown University Bears 2011-12
Or maybe she was waiting for the right opportunity? She grew up in RI and played for Providence. Certainly this made Brown a very desirable location, not to mention the fact that she has coached at an Ivy for many years and likely wanted to remain at one. Seems logical to think that she may have actually been waiting for Brown's position to open up. Most people suspected Digit's days were numbered, and it would be the perfect match for Bourbeau.
Or maybe she was waiting for the right opportunity? She grew up in RI and played for Providence. Certainly this made Brown a very desirable location, not to mention the fact that she has coached at an Ivy for many years and likely wanted to remain at one. Seems logical to think that she may have actually been waiting for Brown's position to open up. Most people suspected Digit's days were numbered, and it would be the perfect match for Bourbeau.
CrossCheck
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Yes, most coaches wait 14 years for that one.
Yes, most coaches wait 14 years for that one.
NewbieBear
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Let's get this thread back on topic. Here is a recent article from the Providence Journal on the hiring of Amy Bourbeau. Some good tidbits in there.
http://www.projo.com/pc/content/Bourbeau_PC_Brown_hockey_08-17-11_JLPPSBU_v2.479f0.html
Let's get this thread back on topic. Here is a recent article from the Providence Journal on the hiring of Amy Bourbeau. Some good tidbits in there.
http://www.projo.com/pc/content/Bourbeau_PC_Brown_hockey_08-17-11_JLPPSBU_v2.479f0.html
NewbieBear
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ARM, You hit the nail on the head with your comments, and I concurr 100%. My only goal of posting here is to encourage and support the team. Everyone following Brown knows that last year was a really tough year after a somewhat promising start. It is time to close that chapter, and to move forward. If others choose to lambaste me or my comments in support of the team, that is their choice, but I'm not going to dignify it with a response.....Newbie.
P.S. The hockey world is a small one. I met Fiver out in Vancouver the other day and we had dinner. He knows a lot more than many of you give him credit for.
ARM, You hit the nail on the head with your comments, and I concurr 100%. My only goal of posting here is to encourage and support the team. Everyone following Brown knows that last year was a really tough year after a somewhat promising start. It is time to close that chapter, and to move forward. If others choose to lambaste me or my comments in support of the team, that is their choice, but I'm not going to dignify it with a response.....Newbie.
P.S. The hockey world is a small one. I met Fiver out in Vancouver the other day and we had dinner. He knows a lot more than many of you give him credit for.
Re: Brown University Bears 2011-12
Did he buy you dinner before or after you agreed to say this about him?
Did he buy you dinner before or after you agreed to say this about him?
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Maybe but putting all your eggs in one basket is risky. I would think that if she has had head coaching aspirations, she would have thought about applying for openings several years ago. With new programs coming on line in the past few years, I want to believe that she was at least motivated to apply and get an interview. Even if she didn't get an offer, she would have been able to use the experience for that dream opening which eventually came along.
I'm wondering if because she is a Rhode Island native, Brown felt like they could get her at the 'hometown' discount. Not saying that was the sole reason but you have to wonder. I think the 'years' thing is overrated. Joakim Flug got his break at Yale last year after many years as an assistant at UMD and Harvard.
I wouldn't read too much into that.
Maybe but putting all your eggs in one basket is risky. I would think that if she has had head coaching aspirations, she would have thought about applying for openings several years ago. With new programs coming on line in the past few years, I want to believe that she was at least motivated to apply and get an interview. Even if she didn't get an offer, she would have been able to use the experience for that dream opening which eventually came along.
I'm wondering if because she is a Rhode Island native, Brown felt like they could get her at the 'hometown' discount. Not saying that was the sole reason but you have to wonder. I think the 'years' thing is overrated. Joakim Flug got his break at Yale last year after many years as an assistant at UMD and Harvard.
I wouldn't read too much into that.
PrincetonFan
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How do you know she hasn't applied at other schools? I don't know if it's true, but there was a rumor she was in the mix for Union at their last hiring. I think Brown is a much better job, despite their recent troubles.
How do you know she hasn't applied at other schools? I don't know if it's true, but there was a rumor she was in the mix for Union at their last hiring. I think Brown is a much better job, despite their recent troubles.
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I don't know that she applied for other head coaching positions. I was commenting on a previous post that questioned her staying as an assistant at Princeton for 14 years. Obviously being a RI native, the Brown job is ideal for her. My point was that during the time she was at Princeton, I would imagine that at least one or two openings came to her attention and got her to at least apply. That was the gist of my post.
I don't know that she applied for other head coaching positions. I was commenting on a previous post that questioned her staying as an assistant at Princeton for 14 years. Obviously being a RI native, the Brown job is ideal for her. My point was that during the time she was at Princeton, I would imagine that at least one or two openings came to her attention and got her to at least apply. That was the gist of my post.
grin and bear
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If she graduated in 1996 and was asst at Middlebury for two years and head at Williams for one before moving over to D1 Princeton thats 12 yrs as asst. I hear she has had many interviews for head jobs turning down some offers,money, family, real estate,ect. Shes driven and a hard worker whatever happens Brown will get their moneys worth.
If she graduated in 1996 and was asst at Middlebury for two years and head at Williams for one before moving over to D1 Princeton thats 12 yrs as asst. I hear she has had many interviews for head jobs turning down some offers,money, family, real estate,ect. Shes driven and a hard worker whatever happens Brown will get their moneys worth.
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I don't know the answer to that, but was shocked that apparently there was no one scouting for Brown at the Stoney Creek tournament. Unheard of. That's suicide...every school has at least one coach there, many have two, as this is the most important recruiting vehicle in the cycle.
That might suggest she's opting to go with new ones, though it would appear she hasn't got around to it yet based on the above. Doesn't explain though why she failed to make it a priority to attend herself. So it would seem Brown's missing the boat on yet another recruiting class.
If someone has no HC experience nor experience coaching at the school, IMHO generally the most sensible thing to do would be to have at least one back for a year. Personally (and I know I'm not alone), I think she'd be completely nuts not to have SC back. For whatever his weaknesses, he has boatloads of hockey strategy experience she does not, and is a tremendous asset and presence on the recruiting trail....again not one of her strengths by any means--especially as she gets her feet wet in other aspects of her new job.
So the absence of all action at this point on her part would have to be seen as quite discouraging sign for those that are already there, those who might still be considering Brown for 2012, and those now developing their shortlists for 2013.
Let's hope she gets the help she needs in short order. The team deserves it.
I don't know the answer to that, but was shocked that apparently there was no one scouting for Brown at the Stoney Creek tournament. Unheard of. That's suicide...every school has at least one coach there, many have two, as this is the most important recruiting vehicle in the cycle.
That might suggest she's opting to go with new ones, though it would appear she hasn't got around to it yet based on the above. Doesn't explain though why she failed to make it a priority to attend herself. So it would seem Brown's missing the boat on yet another recruiting class.
If someone has no HC experience nor experience coaching at the school, IMHO generally the most sensible thing to do would be to have at least one back for a year. Personally (and I know I'm not alone), I think she'd be completely nuts not to have SC back. For whatever his weaknesses, he has boatloads of hockey strategy experience she does not, and is a tremendous asset and presence on the recruiting trail....again not one of her strengths by any means--especially as she gets her feet wet in other aspects of her new job.
So the absence of all action at this point on her part would have to be seen as quite discouraging sign for those that are already there, those who might still be considering Brown for 2012, and those now developing their shortlists for 2013.
Let's hope she gets the help she needs in short order. The team deserves it.
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goaliedad35
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All indications (rumour, disappearance of website bios, and NCAA job postings) point to a clean sweep of last seasons coaching staff.
All indications (rumour, disappearance of website bios, and NCAA job postings) point to a clean sweep of last seasons coaching staff.
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If a coach has not been following the players at that tournament for several years already, that would be shocking. A new coach scrambling to get ready to start the season with a new staff not making it to one tournament, not so much. As for saying that missing the Stoney tourney is equivalent to missing the boat on an entire recruiting class, that's truly ridiculous.
Hux
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Agree. You have to figure that as a Princeton assistant she already had quite the book on players in this and next year's recruiting cycle. I do, however, find it surprising that she has not been seen at either NAHA Labor Day or Stoney, though she may well have been there and flying under the radar. As for the hiring of assistants; Brown could be going through the whole Equal Opportunity thing and the current assistants will be retained. With Brown, one never knows the game plan.
Agree. You have to figure that as a Princeton assistant she already had quite the book on players in this and next year's recruiting cycle. I do, however, find it surprising that she has not been seen at either NAHA Labor Day or Stoney, though she may well have been there and flying under the radar. As for the hiring of assistants; Brown could be going through the whole Equal Opportunity thing and the current assistants will be retained. With Brown, one never knows the game plan.
OnMAA
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Let the record show that Rstarr and Hux are in agreement.!
Let the record show that Rstarr and Hux are in agreement.!
Re: Brown University Bears 2011-12
You're completely missing the point. Does she know who's who? Wouldn't argue with that for the most part--although Jeff did do a lion's share of the scouting at major tourneys the last 2-3 years, while she had a young baby at home. So she's probably not got quite as strong a sense of the relative merits of various players as many other coaches with whom she is competing with for talent. That's a real problem for a school that needs to upgrade. Smart and efficient recruiting is imperative. And Stoney is the only venue that provides 80 quality teams all in one place (40 Midget, 40 Junior).
It must be remembered too that the recruiting process is also a two-way street. She may know how the more coveted recruits stack up, but to them she isn't really a well-known entity, even as an assistant (Jeff did more recruiting than most other HCs). She needs to increase her profile. As a school lower down on most good player's wish lists at the moment, Brown needs to work harder than most to attract higher quality recruits. Players in this year's grad class have generally got their options already narrowed to 3-5 at the most. Coaches use Stoney as an opportunity to get quality face time with a prospect and her parents to try to make a final pitch as she makes her decision between those. Not bothering to even attend while all other schools do so really makes a bad impression on those considering Brown--not just on the grad class, but on those players in the junior class now starting to form their list of target schools. With red flags already raised regarding Brown's commitment to hockey based on past events, this unfortunately raises yet another one despite what many felt was a more hopeful sign with the hiring of a new coach. How committed are they to truly becoming competitive?
Furthermore, every year there are many players that have flown under the radar prior to the fall of their senior year. Whether because they previously played Midget or U16 hockey, or played in a less scouted area or program, or simply have developed later than most, with a breakout weekend at Stoney there are always a great many that suddenly find their names rising significantly on the wish lists of various programs--even moreso now that the biggest fish have started to land.
With no Brown staff presence, they wouldn't know who these previously undervalued players are, and/or how far they've risen. And for a school currently having difficulty landing the most sought after recruits, identifying and landing more of those late bloomers and diamonds in the rough is especially critical. Brown could have had a stronger chance with those players now that some of their competition has finished their incoming class, but the window of opportunity is now extremely short.
Missing the most important tournament of the year is just not good optics or recruiting strategy for a program trying to right the ship and move ahead of some of their competition. Will they still beable to recruit? Of course. Will they get the prospects they'd like to have, or had a chance at given the right pitch at the right time? Highly unlikely.
And don't underestimate either the really poor optics of this decision on those already at Brown.
With the loss of Coady who was a big asset on the recruiting trail, on top of the decision to opt outof attending NAHA and Stoney, Brown has taken a really big step backward recruiting-wise. A really poor start to her tenure on several fronts that she will need to work hard to overcome.
You're completely missing the point. Does she know who's who? Wouldn't argue with that for the most part--although Jeff did do a lion's share of the scouting at major tourneys the last 2-3 years, while she had a young baby at home. So she's probably not got quite as strong a sense of the relative merits of various players as many other coaches with whom she is competing with for talent. That's a real problem for a school that needs to upgrade. Smart and efficient recruiting is imperative. And Stoney is the only venue that provides 80 quality teams all in one place (40 Midget, 40 Junior).
It must be remembered too that the recruiting process is also a two-way street. She may know how the more coveted recruits stack up, but to them she isn't really a well-known entity, even as an assistant (Jeff did more recruiting than most other HCs). She needs to increase her profile. As a school lower down on most good player's wish lists at the moment, Brown needs to work harder than most to attract higher quality recruits. Players in this year's grad class have generally got their options already narrowed to 3-5 at the most. Coaches use Stoney as an opportunity to get quality face time with a prospect and her parents to try to make a final pitch as she makes her decision between those. Not bothering to even attend while all other schools do so really makes a bad impression on those considering Brown--not just on the grad class, but on those players in the junior class now starting to form their list of target schools. With red flags already raised regarding Brown's commitment to hockey based on past events, this unfortunately raises yet another one despite what many felt was a more hopeful sign with the hiring of a new coach. How committed are they to truly becoming competitive?
Furthermore, every year there are many players that have flown under the radar prior to the fall of their senior year. Whether because they previously played Midget or U16 hockey, or played in a less scouted area or program, or simply have developed later than most, with a breakout weekend at Stoney there are always a great many that suddenly find their names rising significantly on the wish lists of various programs--even moreso now that the biggest fish have started to land.
With no Brown staff presence, they wouldn't know who these previously undervalued players are, and/or how far they've risen. And for a school currently having difficulty landing the most sought after recruits, identifying and landing more of those late bloomers and diamonds in the rough is especially critical. Brown could have had a stronger chance with those players now that some of their competition has finished their incoming class, but the window of opportunity is now extremely short.
Missing the most important tournament of the year is just not good optics or recruiting strategy for a program trying to right the ship and move ahead of some of their competition. Will they still beable to recruit? Of course. Will they get the prospects they'd like to have, or had a chance at given the right pitch at the right time? Highly unlikely.
And don't underestimate either the really poor optics of this decision on those already at Brown.
With the loss of Coady who was a big asset on the recruiting trail, on top of the decision to opt outof attending NAHA and Stoney, Brown has taken a really big step backward recruiting-wise. A really poor start to her tenure on several fronts that she will need to work hard to overcome.
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