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Brown - Oops! They did it again.

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The only real positive is that Brown is trying to make huge budget cuts anywhere and everywhere. Since the athletic director won’t fire the coaches, maybe the Dean will notice paying both a head coach and an assistant coach a salary large enough to support their families is a huge waste of money. Especially when the team would likely have a better record with no coaches.
 
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Well, since so many kids quit or get cut they're always a young team, that's not really a positive.
Yeah, I'm not exactly sure why some posters have made it their will to defend Brown. obliviously something needs to change. Some of the Brown posters have been less than positive about things, but the situation itself is rather less than positive. Not sure why people are going defend Dig to this extent. Your time has passed, nothing to be embarrassed about. Overhaul the whole program and move on.

Nothing ****es me off more than a program thats half assed supported by the school. I hope the athletic department at Brown is rather embarrassed by this......so embarrassed that they decide to do something. Get with it Brown.


Perhaps I'll send them an email and tell them how I really feel. :cool:
 
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02-02-2010 10:24 PM Yet another mindless comment from a loser.

I don't know how old you are but hopefully 12. Anonymous name calling, really? I'm glad you can handle an argument so maturely.
 
Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

The only real positive is that Brown is trying to make huge budget cuts anywhere and everywhere. Since the athletic director won’t fire the coaches, maybe the Dean will notice paying both a head coach and an assistant coach a salary large enough to support their families is a huge waste of money. Especially when the team would likely have a better record with no coaches.

So you happen to know the salary of both coaches ?. Everyone knows generally how much head coaches are paid in D1 womens hockey. Not sure if the assistants at Brown make all that much money.

Based on comments I've heard in the past from various sources, many Brown assistants go elsewhere for more money. As a matter of fact the College coaching ranks are littered with people that either played at Brown, or got their start in coaching at Brown.
 
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Do you really think I didn't get it? hahahahahahahahahha

If that is the case than your suggestive racist remarks in a prior post towards another poster are even more vindictive. Appalling really !.
 
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So you happen to know the salary of both coaches ?. Everyone knows generally how much head coaches are paid in D1 womens hockey. Not sure if the assistants at Brown make all that much money.

Based on comments I've heard in the past from various sources, many Brown assistants go elsewhere for more money. As a matter of fact the College coaching ranks are littered with people that either played at Brown, or got their start in coaching at Brown.
whats yer point?

If Brown isng going to support this program with the necessary resources and funding, then they should STOP wasting EVERYONES time and cut hockey and replace it with another womens sport that costs less.

Whats the point in half assing a program for title purposes? Or do you want me to believe that the athletic program at Brown is so DUMB that they don't realize the what they are doing? Please.
 
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whats yer point?.

Point is that it was a direct response to the Poster who suggested both the head coach and the assistant were on a salary large enough to support a large family.



That aside, I agree the admin should support the program correctly. Having said that in these economic times sometimes tough budget decisions have to be made.

I'm pretty sure that coaches like Ms Murphy are given a budget to work within.

The richer programs will always be stronger in general, whether it be the NHL, or the NCAA. Programs like those at Wisco, Ohio State and Syracuse have money coming out of their ears from the football and basketball programs to fund the rest of athletic department. In the Ivy league, Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the three rich Ivies. While that does not guarantee success, it gives them a leg up on both recruiting talent (better FA) and on keeping on good coaches (better Salary).

Having said all that, Brown can and should do better than they have this year. Does not mean it gives the insiders currently part of the program the right to come onto this board to air their displeasures with the program and to call for the heads of the coaches. It is one thing if outsiders like you make comments, it is quite another if it comes from the inside.
 
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Does not mean it gives the insiders currently part of the program the right to come onto this board to air their displeasures with the program and to call for the heads of the coaches. It is one thing if outsiders like you make comments, it is quite another if it comes from the inside.
Free speech no?

And calling for coaches heads? Please. Been to the mens forum lately? I'd fire Katie King personally if I was given the chance.

Browns athletic dept is full of something brown alright....

Apologies in advance, I'm on fire tonight (my college bball team is getting spanked :mad:) but I'm really sick of this coddle the coaches thing because of one reason or fifty others. Its a job. Do it well and you stay. Don't do it well and you get the boot. Womens fans want the game to be more aggressive, more like the mens game, etc, etc. But when you break it all down....womens fans are actually rather soft.
 
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As I am interested in the current standings I tuned into the sunday game against Yale at Brown. I was quite appalled to listen to the way the commentators speak about their own team continuously throughout the game - making disparaging comments about their terrible powerplay record, the fact that they can rarely make more than one consecutive pass, taking excessive time behind the net during powerplay etc. Even counting aloud as the defenceman regrouped behind the net. This was unnecessary and unpleasant to listen to. They were very unflattering toward the Yale team from time to time as well. The only word I can use to describe it is "unprofessional" which surprises me for an Ivy. The athletic department needs to look at more than the coaching staff as there appears to be a "culture" developing around this team which I doubt is typical of the school culture. The commentators need to be replaced with some fresh minds. Did anyone else listen to this game and have similar thoughts as I had?
 
Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

The only real positive is that Brown is trying to make huge budget cuts anywhere and everywhere. Since the athletic director won’t fire the coaches, maybe the Dean will notice paying both a head coach and an assistant coach a salary large enough to support their families is a huge waste of money. Especially when the team would likely have a better record with no coaches.


Clearly, you would make a better coach. There seem to be plenty of them in the stands in Providence these days.

And you wonder why other posters leave ugly negative rep behind... I think you'd get more constructive criticism if you actually made a better argument.
 
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Free speech no?

And calling for coaches heads? Please. Been to the mens forum lately? I'd fire Katie King personally if I was given the chance.

Browns athletic dept is full of something brown alright....

Apologies in advance, I'm on fire tonight (my college bball team is getting spanked :mad:) but I'm really sick of this coddle the coaches thing because of one reason or fifty others. Its a job. Do it well and you stay. Don't do it well and you get the boot. Womens fans want the game to be more aggressive, more like the mens game, etc, etc. But when you break it all down....womens fans are actually rather soft.

Actually, this thread (and the other related ones) isn't about coddling Digit. It all started with ccookie79 complaining that her "recruited" daughter had to suffer the indignity of a tryout to make the team. Obviously she thought her daughter's spot on the team was guaranteed. NOT! And she continued on complaining about the returning players who didn't make the cut at the tryout. She felt robbed that her precious daughter's weight wouldn't be carried by these perceived all-stars. And she continued on to mis-represent the situations of players whose seasons were ending (injuries were not mentioned) to support an argument that Digit is destroying the team.

I've been a frequent critic of this activity along the way - and quite frankly it is the only reason I'm in this thread - I just don't like bad hockey parents with an axe to grind (I don't think her daughter sees much ice, as she never mentions her own daughter's performance for good or bad) badmouthing any coach for uninformed reasons.

Now if someone said "The defensemen clearly didn't know where the forwards were on the new breakout - looks like Digit didn't drill them enough here." - THAT would be legit criticism. Or "She's got small players trying to tough it out in front of the net and losing the battles, what is she thinking?" - I can buy that. Haven't heard that stuff. All I'm hearing from ccookie and the rest of the bunch (irishbirdie, blackwidow, etc.) are about how talented their daughters are (let's hear the resume's to back that up) and that it must be the coach's fault that they aren't competitive. No analysis of the game, oh, that's right, you might have to understand the game to do that.

I'll agree that by a win and loss standard, Digit has seen better years much further in the past. However, besides talking about turnover, they really don't get into why the program hasn't moved forward in a much more competitive environment. All they say is "coach's fault". It is easy to complain about Digit's antics on the bench. Unless she's taking a bunch of bench minors for it, I'd say the players need to deal with it and play hockey. If they'd done their homework, the antics have been there forever. No, this whole pile of stuff ccookie and the others throw up clearly shows that they don't understand enough about the game to make an intelligent argument about hockey. They are just whining because their daughters aren't winning.

I'm still waiting for one cogent argument from the bunch about how Digit prepares her players for the game and why it is ineffective or what errors Digit makes in identifying talent in recruiting. This is why you fire a coach.
 
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Actually, this thread (and the other related ones) isn't about coddling Digit. It all started with ccookie79 complaining that her "recruited" daughter had to suffer the indignity of a tryout to make the team. Obviously she thought her daughter's spot on the team was guaranteed. NOT! And she continued on complaining about the returning players who didn't make the cut at the tryout. She felt robbed that her precious daughter's weight wouldn't be carried by these perceived all-stars. And she continued on to mis-represent the situations of players whose seasons were ending (injuries were not mentioned) to support an argument that Digit is destroying the team.

I've been a frequent critic of this activity along the way - and quite frankly it is the only reason I'm in this thread - I just don't like bad hockey parents with an axe to grind (I don't think her daughter sees much ice, as she never mentions her own daughter's performance for good or bad) badmouthing any coach for uninformed reasons.

Now if someone said "The defensemen clearly didn't know where the forwards were on the new breakout - looks like Digit didn't drill them enough here." - THAT would be legit criticism. Or "She's got small players trying to tough it out in front of the net and losing the battles, what is she thinking?" - I can buy that. Haven't heard that stuff. All I'm hearing from ccookie and the rest of the bunch (irishbirdie, blackwidow, etc.) are about how talented their daughters are (let's hear the resume's to back that up) and that it must be the coach's fault that they aren't competitive. No analysis of the game, oh, that's right, you might have to understand the game to do that.

I'll agree that by a win and loss standard, Digit has seen better years much further in the past. However, besides talking about turnover, they really don't get into why the program hasn't moved forward in a much more competitive environment. All they say is "coach's fault". It is easy to complain about Digit's antics on the bench. Unless she's taking a bunch of bench minors for it, I'd say the players need to deal with it and play hockey. If they'd done their homework, the antics have been there forever. No, this whole pile of stuff ccookie and the others throw up clearly shows that they don't understand enough about the game to make an intellegent argument about hockey. They are just whining because their daughters aren't winning.

I'm still waiting for one cogent argument from the bunch about how Digit prepares her players for the game and why it is ineffective or what errors Digit makes in identifying talent in recruiting. This is why you fire a coach.

If these parents are frequently talking about their own kids, you're wasting your time. They can't be helped or reasoned with. The selfishness is ingrained.
 
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Actually, this thread (and the other related ones) isn't about coddling Digit. It all started with ccookie79 complaining that her "recruited" daughter had to suffer the indignity of a tryout to make the team. Obviously she thought her daughter's spot on the team was guaranteed. NOT! And she continued on complaining about the returning players who didn't make the cut at the tryout. She felt robbed that her precious daughter's weight wouldn't be carried by these perceived all-stars. And she continued on to mis-represent the situations of players whose seasons were ending (injuries were not mentioned) to support an argument that Digit is destroying the team.

I've been a frequent critic of this activity along the way - and quite frankly it is the only reason I'm in this thread - I just don't like bad hockey parents with an axe to grind (I don't think her daughter sees much ice, as she never mentions her own daughter's performance for good or bad) badmouthing any coach for uninformed reasons.

Now if someone said "The defensemen clearly didn't know where the forwards were on the new breakout - looks like Digit didn't drill them enough here." - THAT would be legit criticism. Or "She's got small players trying to tough it out in front of the net and losing the battles, what is she thinking?" - I can buy that. Haven't heard that stuff. All I'm hearing from ccookie and the rest of the bunch (irishbirdie, blackwidow, etc.) are about how talented their daughters are (let's hear the resume's to back that up) and that it must be the coach's fault that they aren't competitive. No analysis of the game, oh, that's right, you might have to understand the game to do that.

I'll agree that by a win and loss standard, Digit has seen better years much further in the past. However, besides talking about turnover, they really don't get into why the program hasn't moved forward in a much more competitive environment. All they say is "coach's fault". It is easy to complain about Digit's antics on the bench. Unless she's taking a bunch of bench minors for it, I'd say the players need to deal with it and play hockey. If they'd done their homework, the antics have been there forever. No, this whole pile of stuff ccookie and the others throw up clearly shows that they don't understand enough about the game to make an intellegent argument about hockey. They are just whining because their daughters aren't winning.

I'm still waiting for one cogent argument from the bunch about how Digit prepares her players for the game and why it is ineffective or what errors Digit makes in identifying talent in recruiting. This is why you fire a coach.

Fabulous post. Best of the day on the subject by far.

Comments on a few quotes:
(I don't think her daughter sees much ice, as she never mentions her own daughter's performance for good or bad)
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I've talked to a few parents of current players on this team (who's daughters used to play with mine). The ones I talk to, while they like to see the team do better, support the team and the coaches. If Cookie thinks she is anonymous, she is sadly mistaken. I've been told who she is. I'm sure this will in one form or another get back to the coaching staff. They were not born yesterday either.

They are just whining because their daughters aren't winning
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or playing in some cases.!
 
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I told myself I wasn't going to post anything on this thread again but I lied. I also know FOR A FACT that some kids use hockey to get into Brown knowing full well that they "probably" will not compete for the full 4 years because they do not really care about whether they play hockey or don't play hockey. Regarding players who are not there the full 4 years, maybe the coaches realize this after the fact and decide that they don't want the players on this team with that attitude. (I've spoken to parents who over the years have told me their kids did use hockey as a tool to get in). Not saying that's every kid that's not there, however it has and does happen.
 
Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

I told myself I wasn't going to post anything on this thread again but I lied. I also know FOR A FACT that some kids use hockey to get into Brown knowing full well that they "probably" will not compete for the full 4 years because they do not really care about whether they play hockey or don't play hockey. Regarding players who are not there the full 4 years, maybe the coaches realize this after the fact and decide that they don't want the players on this team with that attitude. (I've spoken to parents who over the years have told me their kids did use hockey as a tool to get in). Not saying that's every kid that's not there, however it has and does happen.

Yes they do, and most of us are well aware of this. That works both ways, as often those same kids are known as AI boosters to be able to get another kid in. Unfortunately, some either do not realize this, or don't like the eventual consequences. This is not unique to Brown, or even the Ivies. Some other schools complement their team with players via academic money to save the limited schollie funds for prime time recruits.

As many have said before, Digit has been around for many years. People looking for a spot at Brown could have/should have done their home work to make a better educated decision on whether it was/is the right fit for them.
 
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Point is that it was a direct response to the Poster who suggested both the head coach and the assistant were on a salary large enough to support a large family.



That aside, I agree the admin should support the program correctly. Having said that in these economic times sometimes tough budget decisions have to be made.

I'm pretty sure that coaches like Ms Murphy are given a budget to work within.

The richer programs will always be stronger in general, whether it be the NHL, or the NCAA. Programs like those at Wisco, Ohio State and Syracuse have money coming out of their ears from the football and basketball programs to fund the rest of athletic department. In the Ivy league, Harvard, Yale and Princeton are the three rich Ivies. While that does not guarantee success, it gives them a leg up on both recruiting talent (better FA) and on keeping on good coaches (better Salary).

Having said all that, Brown can and should do better than they have this year. Does not mean it gives the insiders currently part of the program the right to come onto this board to air their displeasures with the program and to call for the heads of the coaches. It is one thing if outsiders like you make comments, it is quite another if it comes from the inside.

Really on MAA? It's okay for outsiders to come in to this forum and make comments that are anti-coach? Really? When did your epiphany arrive? You've done nothing but bash anyone - anyone - who took a negative stance against the current coaches. You ought to be in politics.
 
Re: Brown - Oops! They did it again.

Actually, this thread (and the other related ones) isn't about coddling Digit. It all started with ccookie79 complaining that her "recruited" daughter had to suffer the indignity of a tryout to make the team. Obviously she thought her daughter's spot on the team was guaranteed. NOT! And she continued on complaining about the returning players who didn't make the cut at the tryout. She felt robbed that her precious daughter's weight wouldn't be carried by these perceived all-stars. And she continued on to mis-represent the situations of players whose seasons were ending (injuries were not mentioned) to support an argument that Digit is destroying the team.

I've been a frequent critic of this activity along the way - and quite frankly it is the only reason I'm in this thread - I just don't like bad hockey parents with an axe to grind (I don't think her daughter sees much ice, as she never mentions her own daughter's performance for good or bad) badmouthing any coach for uninformed reasons.

Now if someone said "The defensemen clearly didn't know where the forwards were on the new breakout - looks like Digit didn't drill them enough here." - THAT would be legit criticism. Or "She's got small players trying to tough it out in front of the net and losing the battles, what is she thinking?" - I can buy that. Haven't heard that stuff. All I'm hearing from ccookie and the rest of the bunch (irishbirdie, blackwidow, etc.) are about how talented their daughters are (let's hear the resume's to back that up) and that it must be the coach's fault that they aren't competitive. No analysis of the game, oh, that's right, you might have to understand the game to do that.

I'll agree that by a win and loss standard, Digit has seen better years much further in the past. However, besides talking about turnover, they really don't get into why the program hasn't moved forward in a much more competitive environment. All they say is "coach's fault". It is easy to complain about Digit's antics on the bench. Unless she's taking a bunch of bench minors for it, I'd say the players need to deal with it and play hockey. If they'd done their homework, the antics have been there forever. No, this whole pile of stuff ccookie and the others throw up clearly shows that they don't understand enough about the game to make an intellegent argument about hockey. They are just whining because their daughters aren't winning.

I'm still waiting for one cogent argument from the bunch about how Digit prepares her players for the game and why it is ineffective or what errors Digit makes in identifying talent in recruiting. This is why you fire a coach.

Actually, you are spreading false information. My original question was related to already-established team players being required to try out for their positions this year. I was told that it was a first-time-occurrence and I wondered (aloud on this board) whether that was typical for a D-1 team. I have NEVER misrepresented a person's absence on the team. The one you claim to be "injury" goes well beyond your cursory glance. For the record, I have a difficult time making "intellegent" argument with anyone who can't even spell the word, especially one who's spewing venom like they're the almighty. Digit's results are cogent enough argument for me as the team's win/loss record is certainly illustrative.
Finally, Mr/Ms know-it-all, I reviewed the earlier posts of Irishbridie49 and BlackWidow and neither of them mention having talented/competitive daughters and so it must be the coaches' fault. Frankly, notfromaroundhere, you need to go back where you came from and regroup.
 
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Really on MAA? It's okay for outsiders to come in to this forum and make comments that are anti-coach? Really? When did your epiphany arrive? You've done nothing but bash anyone - anyone - who took a negative stance against the current coaches. You ought to be in politics.

Can you read and interpret ?.

OnMAA said:
Having said all that, Brown can and should do better than they have this year. Does not mean it gives the insiders currently part of the program the right to come onto this board to air their displeasures with the program and to call for the heads of the coaches. It is one thing if outsiders like you make comments, it is quite another if it comes from the inside. .

My point was that it is inappropriate for insiders to come on here to lambast the program on a public forum.

This should not be news to you, as I've stated this many times before.

I've been on this forum for many years, and have been a regular contributor on many,many subjects and topics. As a family we used this very same medium as one of the tools for eduation and info to help two of my D's land in the right spot at college. While they did land in good spots, it does not mean it always went as planned. However, never, ever, ever disparaged any program. I'm a firm believer in positive re-inforcement and working team issues within the team.

I'm out !.
 
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