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Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era


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Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

Can you not just have a normal conversation. You said "why don't you ask the kids who showed up this fall". I interpreted it as the kids who showed up this fall (excluding the kids who quit).

If you want to talk about something else besides grammar let me know. But no matter how bad my grammar may be, there's still only about 5 girls on the team who are happy. And this threads about them, not my english.

If you read the post I was replying to (by bosco), I was answering the question "Why would any girl after seeing 10 years of 4 wins max want to go to this program???" The key words here are "want to go to this program" with the implication that they are not already there. Bosco was arguing that Brown's record was keeping quality recruits away. This led to the discussion of the incoming freshmen class.

I'd love to have a normal conversation. However, that requires that we look at the context of comments before replying. It keeps the misunderstandings to a minimum.

I'm not sure how you have the connections to poll the entire hockey team to find only 5 happy players, unless you are the equipment manager. And BTW, 5 happy players on a team with this win and loss record is better than average. I've seen .500 teams that have fewer happy players. In fact, teams with very few unhappy players are generally in either first or second place in their league and can spread the ice time around enough (because they are beating opponents thoroughly) to keep the 4th liners happy.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

Wow a whole 5 happy players on the team!!!! I would be so happy sounds like a great locker room and a great situation for a college hockey team. No wonder this team has 1 legit win under their belt. The talk is out there, the women's hockey world is small, and Digit does not have a great reputation or even a positive one out there. I know in the Toronto area there is not much good talk about what is going on at Brown University on the women's side and there needs to be a change at the helm. If she does concentrate more on her youth team like previously posted on this site then its time for her to step down and start some sort of youth program of her own. And if she is so into the youth program and building up the girls program in Rhode Island, how come there is not a single local player on her roster??? Time for a change, a Dawn of New Era with a new coach and a new attitude.

I know where Sault St. Marie is and it is not particularly close to Toronto, so I don't know who you are talking to in Toronto to get your information. And funny how there are players on the roster from the GTA.

As to her youth program, it has been mentioned before that it is not a Tier 1 organization, rather a developmental program that has a mission that is not oriented towards developing D1 players.
 
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Because I live in the Sault means i don't go down to Toronto for tournaments, figure it out if you are that familiar with the area. And I realize there are some players on the roster from the GTA and I know who the girls are. I also know many girls from the area who have decided not to go to Brown solely on the reason of what they have heard about the coaching staff there. Three of those girls are now at other IVY league schools and financial aid had nothing to do with it. I am starting to side with some people here notfromaroundhere, you are getting pretty offensive towards people just suggesting a change of coaching, seems like you are worried for your job?
 
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Because I live in the Sault means i don't go down to Toronto for tournaments, figure it out if you are that familiar with the area. And I realize there are some players on the roster from the GTA and I know who the girls are. I also know many girls from the area who have decided not to go to Brown solely on the reason of what they have heard about the coaching staff there. Three of those girls are now at other IVY league schools and financial aid had nothing to do with it. I am starting to side with some people here notfromaroundhere, you are getting pretty offensive towards people just suggesting a change of coaching, seems like you are worried for your job?

Yeah, lots of us have been to Toronto for tournaments. Does it make us qualified to talk about how the locals view Brown and the coaching staff there? Hardly.

And any player who dismisses a program based upon "talk" only limit themselves. Of course, since you have an ax to grind with Digit, I'm sure you are pumping these girls with all the misinformation you can (since you haven't mentioned 1 fact that proves you've had any interaction with the coaches) when you visit Toronto.

I've been around rinks for a long time and I've heard a lot of negative chatter about coaches at all levels (from peewee on up). When you scratch the surface and find out where the information started, it almost always starts with a parent who is disgruntled about the ice time their child is getting or something similar. I don't like sitting with the parents who spread such gossip. They only sap your energy.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

Well to me it seems with this team and the way that they have looked now for the past 6 years nothing is improving. I actually feel bad for the girls that are in the organization for having to deal with the way the program is going and it seems like it is not changing anytime soon. There have been full recruiting classes that have come in and graduated by now without any change. Dawn of a New Era was the start of this thread, and there is not a new era it is the same thing season after season. It doesn't matter what people think of the coaches on a personal level. It is the coaches on the team level, on the ice and on the bench that make or break this team and right now it is all break and it has been for a long time. Like DarthBruno said this is not a charity as far as coaching is concern there should be consequences. There needs to be a shake up and a change. I followed this program very closely in the late 90's early 2000's and it was a different program than what it is now, not even close to the same and there needs to be change. I realize the women's hockey world has changed since then, but the coaches should adapt to that as well and have had years to go with the change and some programs have and others such as this one have not. 5 happy girls in the locker room and thats a success, that speaks volumes on its own.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

Last time the Bears were over .500 was in 2005 and that was 2 games over .500, since then the record is 27-94-15, IVY League since then 4-39-3, ECAC since then 18-73-9. Those are the stats since 2005 thats in the last 6 years Brown has won 4 games in IVY league competition and 18 in ECAC. In 6 years Brown has less wins then some have in a full year. I just looked at the records and did not truly realize what the trends were . Has anyone really realized how bad this has gotten???
 
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Those are the stats since 2005 thats in the last 6 years Brown has won 4 games in IVY league competition and 18 in ECAC.

I'm guessing in the past 6 years, they've probably only had 8 wins in the ECAC against teams not named Union.

So on average, beating another Ivy League school isn’t even a yearly occurrence and Brown can be expected to win 1 other ECAC game each season after beating Union(that is if they do beat Union now).

But norfromaroundhere, that's also good enough right?
 
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Greetings, Just got back from Ski Country....Aruba
I've been saying all along that recruitment at Brown has been the problem.

I agree, Brown's certainly has not been able to compete in terms of recruiting, and taking a look at the teams in the top 5, recruiting is the main reason that those teams are there. However, recruiting alone doesn't explain why Brown's program has fallen to the bottom of the barrel. There are plenty of other D1 teams with no national caliber players that have much better records than Brown.

The fact that astonishes me most when I take a look at Brown's team over the past 4 or 5 years is the lack of development. Year after year Brown is able to bring in some very talented Freshman and Sophomores that play and contribute to the team right off the bat. However, by the time these players are Seniors their contribution has remained the same or declined. For example take a look at last years senior class throughout their career (from USCHO.com Stats):

Player................ FR......SO.....JR.....SR
Player 1................4........5......11.........8
Player 2..............14.......12.......7.........7
Player 3..............12........9.......5..........5
Player 4................2........3.......1.........5
Player 5..............29...... 14.....14.......DNP
Player 6.............. 6........0.......1.......DNP
Player 7................4........7.......0.......DNP
Player 8................1........0......DNP....DNP
Totals..............72.......50......39......25


Of the 8 players that Brown brought in for their '06-'07 freshman class only 2 showed improvement between their Freshman and Senior years. Stats can't show the whole picture, but if all 8 of these players had contributed to the team the same amount as they did their freshman year, I think it is safe to say Brown would have won more than 1 game last season. It is clear that these players had the talent to help build the team, but between their Freshman and Senior they showed little to no improvement, or left the team. I know that it cannot all be blamed on coaching, there are other factors that lead to a players success, but isn't it the coaches job to inspire their players to work their hardest to improve? Isn't half of coaching being able to bring in players who show promise and take them to the next level?

Brown's recruiting situation is not going to get any better without buy-in from the school's administration to improve their facilities and place a new importance on sports programs that is currently not there. However, this is a long-term improvement. In the short-term how about they bring in some coaches that can develop the talented players they have so that this year's promising freshman class doesn't fall into oblivion like previous years classes have.
 
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I agree, Brown's certainly has not been able to compete in terms of recruiting, and taking a look at the teams in the top 5, recruiting is the main reason that those teams are there. However, recruiting alone doesn't explain why Brown's program has fallen to the bottom of the barrel. There are plenty of other D1 teams with no national caliber players that have much better records than Brown.

I have been staying out of this fight but this is exactly the point I wanted make. Everyone says (Newbiebear included) that there are great girls on the team and I really believe that. So if there are great girls on the team that are playing their hearts out then whose fault is it if they don't win. I think it is only fair that the coach gets some of the blame. They are the ones that are setting up the PP and PK strategies, the breakout strategies, the lines, etc. so why shouldn't their methods fall into consideration on the effectiveness of the team. There are plenty of teams that don't have Olympic players on their rosters that are "managing" wins. The last I read a few years ago, Colgate had 4 scholarships for hockey and they still have 4 times the number of wins this year than Brown. There are other examples.

For some reason, people feel that they must be protective of Digit and I don't understand why. Maybe it is because she is doing much more than we are aware of developing these girls into fine, upstanding citizens, that the 40+ hours a week that these girls spend with her are shaping them into future leaders and that that is much more important than any score sheet will ever show.

If that is the case then great...I am very happy (doubtful but happy). All I will say is that these four years are over in a flash. It is too late to have regrets in your senior year that you didn't try to do something about it earlier.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

WHckyFan;5013717 said:
...The fact that astonishes me most when I take a look at Brown's team over the past 4 or 5 years is the lack of development. Year after year Brown is able to bring in some very talented Freshman and Sophomores that play and contribute to the team right off the bat. However, by the time these players are Seniors their contribution has remained the same or declined...

Well said, WHckyFan, for your complete message - I've just pasted the above for emphasis. Brown alumna parent here, still following the Bears but rarely contributing to USCHO. My daughter scored more points in her freshman year than in the subsequent three put together (she's not one of those on your list). Kinda disappointing all round, given that she never stopped giving it everything she had. It's tempting to apportion blame, but there are always a number of factors involved and I'm not going to denigrate anyone on an anonymous forum. My daughter graduated with a Brown degree - always the important thing in the end - and moved on long ago, although she is playing recreational hockey again after hanging up her skates following her final Senior game - lost all enthusiasm for hockey for a few years. Good luck to all current Bears. Although I hope no current players read this forum, if they do, my advice is this: it helps if you don't take it *too* seriously - let the parents do that if they want and don't take too much notice of them when they do!
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

For some reason, people feel that they must be protective of Digit and I don't understand why.

I've been reading the Brown threads for the last 2 years. The posters expressing their dissatisfaction with the coaching situation are usually, not always, Brown parents who are hugely disappointed after the family and player invested in Brown hockey. Any parent who has supported their daughter's hockey career to the extent that they get onto a D1 college team has been involved with a lot of quality hockey teams and knows when players and a team is responding to good coaching or not. This group has been there for the games, observed for themselves, and listened to their daughters. The forum is an outlet to express their legitimate disappointment. I suspect that they haven't been the exception, but rather hold the same opinion as Brown parents who aren't on this forum. Left to them, the Brown coaching threads would have been a lot less abrasive and a lot shorter.

The posters who go after them for expressing their dissatisfaction with the coaching are, again usually but not always, posters who comment on a lot of threads on a lot of teams, games and so on. They are outsiders looking in and seem to hold that their opinion must trump the parents for no other reason that I can see except that they believe they are the experts on the game. Rather than see it from the parents viewpoint and empathize, they seem determined to school the parents. They are the ones making the threads abrasive and keeping them going.

I've personally only seen Brown play once this year when my daughter's team played them. Based on what I saw, there is enough talent on the Brown team to take their share of games. Not run the table, but take their share. The quality of the players is not the issue. Their performance as a team is. And that is coaching.
 
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I've been reading the Brown threads for the last 2 years. The posters expressing their dissatisfaction with the coaching situation are usually, not always, Brown parents who are hugely disappointed after the family and player invested in Brown hockey. Any parent who has supported their daughter's hockey career to the extent that they get onto a D1 college team has been involved with a lot of quality hockey teams and knows when players and a team is responding to good coaching or not. This group has been there for the games, observed for themselves, and listened to their daughters. The forum is an outlet to express their legitimate disappointment. I suspect that they haven't been the exception, but rather hold the same opinion as Brown parents who aren't on this forum. Left to them, the Brown coaching threads would have been a lot less abrasive and a lot shorter.

The posters who go after them for expressing their dissatisfaction with the coaching are, again usually but not always, posters who comment on a lot of threads on a lot of teams, games and so on. They are outsiders looking in and seem to hold that their opinion must trump the parents for no other reason that I can see except that they believe they are the experts on the game. Rather than see it from the parents viewpoint and empathize, they seem determined to school the parents. They are the ones making the threads abrasive and keeping them going.

I've personally only seen Brown play once this year when my daughter's team played them. Based on what I saw, there is enough talent on the Brown team to take their share of games. Not run the table, but take their share. The quality of the players is not the issue. Their performance as a team is. And that is coaching.

I can only speak for myself...I am an outsider, and I know only a handful of Brown parents....one very well and a some others I have recently become acquainted with, been out to dinner with, had some drinks with, etc. At least in my company, they don't seem to share the same level of condemnation expressed by some on this board. I'm not saying that they certainly don't have a right to, I'm only saying that they haven't, at least not in my company. I contribute this as evidence to be considered relative to all other evidence being presented.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

I can only speak for myself...I am an outsider, and I know only a handful of Brown parents....one very well and a some others I have recently become acquainted with, been out to dinner with, had some drinks with, etc. At least in my company, they don't seem to share the same level of condemnation expressed by some on this board. I'm not saying that they certainly don't have a right to, I'm only saying that they haven't, at least not in my company. I contribute this as evidence to be considered relative to all other evidence being presented.

Just a question. I know you haven't heard them condemn Digit but have you heard them go to her defense and say they want Digit to stay?

I would think most parents just don't want get involved no matter what they're opinions may be. But I could be wrong, they're your acquaintances not mine.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

I can only speak for myself...I am an outsider, and I know only a handful of Brown parents....one very well and a some others I have recently become acquainted with, been out to dinner with, had some drinks with, etc. At least in my company, they don't seem to share the same level of condemnation expressed by some on this board. I'm not saying that they certainly don't have a right to, I'm only saying that they haven't, at least not in my company. I contribute this as evidence to be considered relative to all other evidence being presented.

Good points. There is no question that venting, on this board or in any other forum including dinner, isn't going to change things. Especially in the current year. Keeping your eye on the real prize, the Brown education, and soldiering on as best as the player and family can as far as hockey goes is the smart thing to do. There's also no question that it can be counterproductive when the players, or the coaches, read or are aware of it. I could easily identify one of the most vocal venters last year and if players or the coaches read any of it, there's no doubt in my mind they could also.

There are teams that consistently exceed reasonable expectations given the player talent on board and teams that consistently fall short of reasonable expectations. Much of it comes down to player satisfaction, motivation, and buy in. For freshmen, that seems to be automatic at least at first. Good coaching maintains it, not just for that year, but over the player's career on that team. That does not appear to be the case at Brown.

All beside the point though. The situation at Brown is not good. Some player parents are venting here. Some are soldiering on without venting. Regardless of the wisdom of either method of handling it, I can empathize with both. I can't empathize with the posters jumping in to condemn the ones venting. Walk a mile in their shoes first.
 
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Good points. There is no question that venting, on this board or in any other forum including dinner, isn't going to change things. Especially in the current year. Keeping your eye on the real prize, the Brown education, and soldiering on as best as the player and family can as far as hockey goes is the smart thing to do. There's also no question that it can be counterproductive when the players, or the coaches, read or are aware of it. I could easily identify one of the most vocal venters last year and if players or the coaches read any of it, there's no doubt in my mind they could also.

There are teams that consistently exceed reasonable expectations given the player talent on board and teams that consistently fall short of reasonable expectations. Much of it comes down to player satisfaction, motivation, and buy in. For freshmen, that seems to be automatic at least at first. Good coaching maintains it, not just for that year, but over the player's career on that team. That does not appear to be the case at Brown.

All beside the point though. The situation at Brown is not good. Some player parents are venting here. Some are soldiering on without venting. Regardless of the wisdom of either method of handling it, I can empathize with both. I can't empathize with the posters jumping in to condemn the ones venting. Walk a mile in their shoes first.


Again, good points.

But from my perspective, the potential damage that can be done by an unhappy parent calling for a coach's dismissal on these boards far outweighs any possible upside.

I don't know if the situation at Brown is good or bad. Don't much care, except that if it's bad, it's bad for college hockey in general ... whether the program in question is Brown or Chatham or [name your favorite program that could use some help here].

Point is that there are ways to address team and program issues, whether they begin or end with the coach, the AD, etc.

And not one of those ways I can think of includes posting hostile messages on public message boards. To that, I see absolutely NO upside.
 
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Again, good points.

But from my perspective, the potential damage that can be done by an unhappy parent calling for a coach's dismissal on these boards far outweighs any possible upside.

I don’t know how you can even say this thread is just being driven by a disgruntled parent. Alumni, other parents on other teams and people who just follow women’s hockey agree that there needs to be a change.

Personally I find it far more detrimental for people who have connections with Digit to be on this forum saying everything is alright with this program, when they know it’s not. I understand Digit has helped a lot of people with getting coaching jobs and whatever else and because of that some people feel obliged to defend her. But Digit and her women’s hockey version of the black crusaders are not helping the players that are actually on the Brown team.
 
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I've been reading the Brown threads for the last 2 years. The posters expressing their dissatisfaction with the coaching situation are usually, not always, Brown parents who are hugely disappointed after the family and player invested in Brown hockey. Any parent who has supported their daughter's hockey career to the extent that they get onto a D1 college team has been involved with a lot of quality hockey teams and knows when players and a team is responding to good coaching or not. This group has been there for the games, observed for themselves, and listened to their daughters. The forum is an outlet to express their legitimate disappointment. I suspect that they haven't been the exception, but rather hold the same opinion as Brown parents who aren't on this forum. Left to them, the Brown coaching threads would have been a lot less abrasive and a lot shorter.

The posters who go after them for expressing their dissatisfaction with the coaching are, again usually but not always, posters who comment on a lot of threads on a lot of teams, games and so on. They are outsiders looking in and seem to hold that their opinion must trump the parents for no other reason that I can see except that they believe they are the experts on the game. Rather than see it from the parents viewpoint and empathize, they seem determined to school the parents. They are the ones making the threads abrasive and keeping them going.

I've personally only seen Brown play once this year when my daughter's team played them. Based on what I saw, there is enough talent on the Brown team to take their share of games. Not run the table, but take their share. The quality of the players is not the issue. Their performance as a team is. And that is coaching.

If we are going to open up last year's discussion and the justifications, let's start with your concept that parents of players are right in venting semi-anonymously (they identify themself as a parent) on a public forum about a coaching situation in a way that reflects badly on them. I would be just fine if that poster said I am Janey's mom and I think the coach should be fired because... I would also be fine if the person who started the flame-fest didn't identify themself as a parent as this forum is all about the FANS (the fan forum) commenting on the game. However, once a self-proclaimed (never really proving it by outing her(him?)self) parent starts publically throwing their child's coach under the bus, it has many bad ramifications not only for the program, but the other players and families in that program as they have had suspicion cast upon them. And after discussion with a few others as to the identity of the suspected offending parent, the motives of the offending parent (lack of ice time) just make hockey parents all over creation cringe.

To this, I have to say for the good of the game, enough.

There is a saying, players play, coaches coach, and parents should cheer from the stands. If you don't like the team you are on, work with the organization or leave it and find another. I will admit that I have had a word with higher ups in an organization about a coach's efforts that may have contributed to that coach's removal from duties in the past. I have also had word with higher ups in another organization about things that weren't handled within the bylaws, didn't receive the time of day and chose to move hockey elsewhere. Through all of this, I've never snuck off and anonymously sniped on a public forum about either organization.

And now that my daughter is in college hockey, I view the situation as her responsibility. I am a sounding board to her, but if she ever has an issue with the coach or athletic department, it is entirely up to her as to how to address the situation. The parents receive communication and invitations to events from time to time. I thank the coach, but not living near the school decline the invitations. I have let go of the responsibility for my adult daughter's hockey career. I only wish more parents would figure out whose life they are managing. I still smile when her she and/or her team plays well although I go to great lengths not to express my bias here - (too many folks here who give me the creeps).

Yeah, the scope of my involvement in this thread has spread beyond the original anonymous parent. Primarily, it has to do with those other members who support the method of this poster publically poisoning the well from within. And yes, unfortunately, they don't get the idea of being discreet for the good of the team/game and continue to escalate the issue under the guise that any noise is good noise.

Am I schooling the parent? Yes indeed.

One last thing. I disagree that "Any parent who has supported their daughter's hockey career to the extent they get onto a D1 college team has been involved with a lot of quality hockey teams and knows when players and a team is responding to good coaching or not." Most parents, even those who played the game growing up, know little or nothing about coaching and cannot learn it from watching games. One of my favorite coaches my daughter has ever had was guy who played a little hockey, but was an excellent lax coach (championship quality). When his daughter took up the ice game, he got involved because others did not. While it was obvious that he wasn't the most sophisticated on the X's and O's of teaching ice hockey (and he admitted it up front), he had a personality on the bench that made girls want to play for him and play hard. Did he make any miracles happen? No. Did he make these girls better hockey players? Debatable. Were the girls happy with the situation? As much as their parents would allow them to be. Many families were loyal for years. Others left to go elsewhere. What I am saying here is that it isn't just the coach who determines whether the girls respond to good coaching. It is the whole environment including the expectations of the girls themselves and the families. Lots of parents have seen "bad coaching" and readily call it out to their children. It is a self fufilling prophecy when the child acts upon the negativity of the parent-coach. To the extent that the real coach can eliminate those elements from the team, they can allow their own coaching to be built upon and have their own fate in their own hands (not the parents).

You may say there is plenty of talent and perhaps Digit has not been doing her due diligence in screening families for her program and that I can fault her with. It is her team and her failings in screening families results in posters like the originator of this problem continuing to sap the energy of the girls she worked to recruit.

I thank you for your observations however and appreciate the civility of the discussion.
 
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What? You are going to assume hockey parents who are unhappy with their daughters coach may opt to not discuss it with other hockey people? I call BS. If you know parents on the team and they aren't complaining then they don't have any real complaints. I find IceisNice's comment that they aren't complaining informative.

Personally, a bit off topic, my daughter has done 1 Digit Camp. She liked her. I liked her. Brown is a great school. My daughter and I have had negative reactions to other college coaches. Initial impressions mean a lot. Anonymous rantings on a message board don't.
 
Re: Brown Bears 2010 - 2011 - Dawn of a new Era

Again, good points.

But from my perspective, the potential damage that can be done by an unhappy parent calling for a coach's dismissal on these boards far outweighs any possible upside.

I don't know if the situation at Brown is good or bad. Don't much care, except that if it's bad, it's bad for college hockey in general ... whether the program in question is Brown or Chatham or [name your favorite program that could use some help here].

Point is that there are ways to address team and program issues, whether they begin or end with the coach, the AD, etc.

And not one of those ways I can think of includes posting hostile messages on public message boards. To that, I see absolutely NO upside.

Unfortunately, Dontyelldad, some people believe that because I am vocal about advocating for a coaching change at Brown, then I am a hostile contributor to this forum. I am very much interested in the Brown team this year, last year, etc. From what I have witnessed, personally, the Brown Administration is not interested in doing anything. That doesn't leave parents with any other options but to vent their frustrations on this forum where, hopefully, others will recognize that they are not alone in feeling as though their daughters have been cheated out of their final 4 years of hockey.
 
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I've personally only seen Brown play once this year when my daughter's team played them. Based on what I saw, there is enough talent on the Brown team to take their share of games. Not run the table, but take their share. The quality of the players is not the issue. Their performance as a team is. And that is coaching.

Frankly, I've seen teams made up of very good players who don't play well as a unit.

Yes, sometimes it's a coaching issue, but it's usually more complicated than that.

Sometimes, it's a players issue, and it's up to the coach to either fix it, or get rid of the players who don't have a team focus.

You'd have a hard time convincing me that you can tell from the stands where the problem is, or where along the path to a possible solution the program/coach/team are ....
 
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