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Moy mentions no attendance concerns. I understand the bracket is as perfectly even as you could want it, but is Cornell going to fill up the East Regional by themselves? I love all things Wisconsin, but do they travel that well for hockey?

NMU fans would be beyond excited, but I don't know how many would travel out east, while if they are lucky enough to be placed in St. Paul or Ft. Wayne, many more would make the trip.

I'm guessing the same would hold true for Bemidji.
 
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nmu_27 said:
Moy mentions no attendance concerns. I understand the bracket is as perfectly even as you could want it, but is Cornell going to fill up the East Regional by themselves? I love all things Wisconsin, but do they travel that well for hockey?

NMU fans would be beyond excited, but I don't know how many would travel out east, while if they are lucky enough to be placed in St. Paul or Ft. Wayne, many more would make the trip.

I'm guessing the same would hold true for Bemidji.
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There are two schools of thought...the NCAA is not in charge of selling tickets to the games, the venues are. The arenas are on the hook if they don't have good games. All the NCAA has to do is look at the PWR and send teams to their proper regionals.

However, if they don't give the venues compelling games for which they can sell tickets and recoup their costs, they won't be so eager to host in the future. That's why the NCAA has the attendance concerns as a qualifier. That's why it would not surprise me if the #3 seeds get reversed (MSU in Fort Wayne and UNH in Albany or Worcester). To that end, the Albany bracket would sell more tickets in St. Paul than the St. Paul pod.

I see major concerns for tickets at all four venues if the tournament goes this way. I can't envision both the Spartans and Wildcats being sent out of their regions when there are regionals a short ride away.
 
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nmu_27 said:
I love all things Wisconsin, but do they travel that well for hockey?
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Wisconsin travels pretty well, and keep in mind it's a big school, with lots of alums all over, so even if a small percentage travel, it's still a decent amount of fans.
 
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I'm a little confused about most of the NCAA bracket predictions that are coming out recently. All of them have Miami and Denver locked as the top 2 seeds for the tournament and Wisconsin locked into the Albany regional. I'm not sure why Wisconsin couldn't grab the #1 seed in St. Paul if they beat denver on there way to the final 5 title. That would be 2-0-1 against Denver this season, Wouldn't that warrent getting the St. Paul REgional over Denver. regardless i'm sure north Dakota will get put in that regional for attendence reason sense minnesota isn't going to make the tournament. I'm just a little confused on how Denver is garanteed the St. Paul regional before the conference playoffs...
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
I'm a little confused about most of the NCAA bracket predictions that are coming out recently. All of them have Miami and Denver locked as the top 2 seeds for the tournament and Wisconsin locked into the Albany regional. I'm not sure why Wisconsin couldn't grab the #1 seed in St. Paul if they beat denver on there way to the final 5 title. That would be 2-0-1 against Denver this season, Wouldn't that warrent getting the St. Paul REgional over Denver. regardless i'm sure north Dakota will get put in that regional for attendence reason sense minnesota isn't going to make the tournament. I'm just a little confused on how Denver is garanteed the St. Paul regional before the conference playoffs...
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These aren't predictions of how it will end up, it is just what it would like if the season ended now. :rolleyes:
 
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bigblue_dl said:
These aren't predictions of how it will end up, it is just what it would like if the season ended now. :rolleyes:
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if you go to collegehockeynews.com and check out his NCCA tournament outlook, he says there is nothing anybody can do about denver and miami being the #1 and #2 seeds. They can't be caught... I would like to think if UW beats DU and wins the Final 5 they would get the St. Paul regional, they would have earned the right to play at the closest regional. One could even make the argument that even if UW beat DU in the 3rd place game. UW would have earned the right to play in that regional, however i'm not even sure i could say that but a 2-0-1 record head to head would make the committee think a tad...
 
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Really doesn't matter if Wisconsin beats Denver again at the Final Five. All that matters is the final PWR numbers.
 
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uwbadgers14 said:
I'm a little confused about most of the NCAA bracket predictions that are coming out recently. All of them have Miami and Denver locked as the top 2 seeds for the tournament and Wisconsin locked into the Albany regional. I'm not sure why Wisconsin couldn't grab the #1 seed in St. Paul if they beat denver on there way to the final 5 title. That would be 2-0-1 against Denver this season, Wouldn't that warrent getting the St. Paul REgional over Denver. regardless i'm sure north Dakota will get put in that regional for attendence reason sense minnesota isn't going to make the tournament. I'm just a little confused on how Denver is garanteed the St. Paul regional before the conference playoffs...
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Denver isn't guaranteed the St. Paul regional, because they are flying and the NCAA says "a flight is a flight." Once you get on a plane, it doesn't matter where it lands. So one theory is that since they are flying anyway, they can be placed in the east. The other theory is that St. Paul is closest so they should go there.

Miami has a lock on either #1 or #2 overall seed, and therefore will go to Fort Wayne.

There are seven teams which have locked up a playoff berth (the top 6 +St. Cloud).
 
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Priceless said:
Denver isn't guaranteed the St. Paul regional, because they are flying and the NCAA says "a flight is a flight." Once you get on a plane, it doesn't matter where it lands. So one theory is that since they are flying anyway, they can be placed in the east. The other theory is that St. Paul is closest so they should go there.

Miami has a lock on either #1 or #2 overall seed, and therefore will go to Fort Wayne.

There are seven teams which have locked up a playoff berth (the top 6 +St. Cloud).
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Thanks for the info. That's kinda what i was thinking anyway. Denver doesn't travel enough fans for that to make a difference at least compared to UND and UW when it comes to St. Paul that is. IDK how many will travel if UW is put in Albany...
 
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WeWantMore said:
Wisconsin travels pretty well, and keep in mind it's a big school, with lots of alums all over, so even if a small percentage travel, it's still a decent amount of fans.
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This is true. I was at a Komets game in Ft. Wayne for the traditional New Year's Eve game and saw Wisconsin jerseys on people.
 
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How many seats are needed for an arena to be considered for a regional?
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Id say 10,000 in the threshold. I remember back in the 2000s Portland Maine tried to get a regional, but without modern press boxes, Luxury boxes, modern locker rooms, and only 6,700 seats...the Civic Center didnt get any consideration.

The DCU Center (Worcester) and Times Union Center (Albany) seat around 14,000 each but are rather old. Verizon Wireless Arena(Manchester) holds 10,000 but is roughly 5 years old. Harbor Yard (Bridgeport) is 10,000 and 10 years old.

I would say that moderate size cities on the east coast that build new arenas (10,000+ seats) would get a regional away from Worcester and Albany more often than those two cities appear.

Future sites: I wouldnt mind seeing one in Philly, or NYC but those rinks are rather large and costly for a regional. Rochester is occisionally a east regional. As for other regions, The Qwest Center in Omaha should be hosting a Midwest regional at some point. Wonderful facility, and I dont think attendence would be a major issue if UNO, Minnesota or Wisconsin were placed there. Its not that long of a drive.

Side Note: NCAA...please move the Frozen Four out of Tampa Bay. MSG would be a nice place for the Frozen Four.
 
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NMU8405 said:
Id say 10,000 in the threshold. I remember back in the 2000s Portland Maine tried to get a regional, but without modern press boxes, Luxury boxes, modern locker rooms, and only 6,700 seats...the Civic Center didnt get any consideration.

The DCU Center (Worcester) and Times Union Center (Albany) seat around 14,000 each but are rather old. Verizon Wireless Arena(Manchester) holds 10,000 but is roughly 5 years old. Harbor Yard (Bridgeport) is 10,000 and 10 years old.

I would say that moderate size cities on the east coast that build new arenas (10,000+ seats) would get a regional away from Worcester and Albany more often than those two cities appear.

Future sites: I wouldnt mind seeing one in Philly, or NYC but those rinks are rather large and costly for a regional. Rochester is occisionally a east regional. As for other regions, The Qwest Center in Omaha should be hosting a Midwest regional at some point. Wonderful facility, and I dont think attendence would be a major issue if UNO, Minnesota or Wisconsin were placed there. Its not that long of a drive.

Side Note: NCAA...please move the Frozen Four out of Tampa Bay. MSG would be a nice place for the Frozen Four.
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And Portland was more about the facility than capacity.

Speaking of, the NCAA seems to be shifting capacity upwards. Not sure I'm a fan, but we'll see. They also are moving away from "on campus" rinks. Look back a few years, and you'll see Yost, Marucci and Engelstad. Now, the ralph has its own issues, but I'd be surprised to see anything smaller than the mentioned 10,000 seat building used, and of course, you've got 18,000 seat Xcel being used (and a very viable FF venue) for a Regional (plus, they'll be using another FF venue, Scottrade Center in St. Louis next year as a Regional site)... Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the direction. I'd rather see 8-10,000 seat buildings (closer to campuses) that are guaranteed to be full. I just think that the X is going to be half empty, even if you put both SCSU and BSU in there (let alone you put Denver, SCSU, Yale and an AHA team there). I'd love to be proven wrong, though...
 
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I know the new DECC in Duluth has put a bid in for the 2012 West regional. The director thinks they have a great shot of landing it. Apparently the bid is entirely contingent on the amount of money you guarantee the NCAA. The new DECC will have capacity around 6700.
 
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J.D. said:
Straight Bracket Integrity would work just fine after tonight...

West:

1. Denver
2. St. Cloud State
3. Yale
4. RIT

Midwest:

1. Miami
2. Alaska
3. New Hampshire
4. Minnesota-Duluth

East:

1. Wisconsin
2. Bemidji State
3. Cornell
4. Northern Michigan

Northeast:

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Michigan State
4. Ferris State
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BC has North Dakota's number in recent post season play. I'm sure they're not looking forward to face BC in a regional.
 
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