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Bracketology

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East Regional (Albany, NY):

1 Denver vs 16 Atlantic Hockey Champ (RIT)
8 Alaska vs 9 Yale

Midwest Regional (Fort Wayne, IN):

2 Miami vs 15 Minnesota-Duluth
7 St. Cloud vs 12 Michigan State

West Regional (St. Paul, MN):

3 Wisconsin vs 14 Northern Michigan
6 Bemidji State vs 11 Cornell

Northeast Regional (Worcester, MA):

4 Boston College vs 13 Ferris State
5 North Dakota vs 10 New Hampshire
 
Re: Bracketology

If the higher seed wins every game:

1 Miami (CC)
2 Denver U (WC)
3 Wisconsin (WC)
4 St Cloud (WC)
5 Boston Coll (HE)
6 North Dakota (WC)
7 Yale (EC)
8 Bemidji State (CH)
9 New Hampshire (HE)
10 Minn-Duluth (WC)
11 Mich State (CC)
12 Ferris State (CC)
13 Cornell (EC)
14 Northern Mich (CC)
15 Union (EC)
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16 Maine (HE)
17 AK-Fairbanks (CC)
18 Boston Univ (HE)
19 Vermont (HE)
20 NE-Omaha (CC)
21 RIT (AH)
22 CO College (WC)
23 Michigan (CC)
24 Minnesota (WC)
25 Mass-Lowell (HE)

Straight up pairings

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
St Cloud		Denver			Miami		Wisconsin
Boston College		Yale			Bemidji		North Dakota
Ferris St		Minn-Duluth		UNH		Mich State
Cornell			Union			RIT		NMU

Switch UNH and Duluth and we've got our brackets.

Now the higher seeds just have to win every remaining game :p
 
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Priceless said:
If the higher seed wins every game:

1 Miami (CC)
2 Denver U (WC)
3 Wisconsin (WC)
4 St Cloud (WC)
5 Boston Coll (HE)
6 North Dakota (WC)
7 Yale (EC)
8 Bemidji State (CH)
9 New Hampshire (HE)
10 Minn-Duluth (WC)
11 Mich State (CC)
12 Ferris State (CC)
13 Cornell (EC)
14 Northern Mich (CC)
15 Union (EC)
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16 Maine (HE)
17 AK-Fairbanks (CC)
18 Boston Univ (HE)
19 Vermont (HE)
20 NE-Omaha (CC)
21 RIT (AH)
22 CO College (WC)
23 Michigan (CC)
24 Minnesota (WC)
25 Mass-Lowell (HE)

Straight up pairings

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
St Cloud		Denver			Miami		Wisconsin
Boston College		Yale			Bemidji		North Dakota
Ferris St		Minn-Duluth		UNH		Mich State
Cornell			Union			RIT		NMU

Switch UNH and Duluth and we've got our brackets.

Now the higher seeds just have to win every remaining game :p
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As a Yale fan holding center ice seats for Worcester, I will take that bracket! Two hour ride for Yale fans.
 
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Priceless said:
Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
St Cloud		Denver			Miami		Wisconsin
Boston College		Yale			Bemidji		North Dakota
Ferris St		Minn-Duluth		UNH		Mich State
Cornell			Union			RIT		NMU
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Epic, epic, epic win... BC would take that bracket right now, I would think.
 
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Straight Bracket Integrity would work just fine after tonight...

West:

1. Denver
2. St. Cloud State
3. Yale
4. RIT

Midwest:

1. Miami
2. Alaska
3. New Hampshire
4. Minnesota-Duluth

East:

1. Wisconsin
2. Bemidji State
3. Cornell
4. Northern Michigan

Northeast:

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Michigan State
4. Ferris State
 
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J.D. said:
Straight Bracket Integrity would work just fine after tonight...

West:

1. Denver
2. St. Cloud State
3. Yale
4. RIT

Midwest:

1. Miami
2. Alaska
3. New Hampshire
4. Minnesota-Duluth

East:

1. Wisconsin
2. Bemidji State
3. Cornell
4. Northern Michigan

Northeast:

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Michigan State
4. Ferris State
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Actually, if you were going for straight up bracket integrity, you would have St. Cloud and Alaska in the wrong locations since St. Cloud wins the PWR tie breaker between the two schools. Throwing Alaska in the group with Denver, RIT, and Yale and you have an attendance problem and a half in St. Paul.

Check out my Bracketology and see what you think.
 
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mcfarljd said:
Thats true..

IF they are tied in comparisons. But UAF is up 2-1 in comparisons as JD pointed out, UAF gets the higher spot
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From everything I've read, they don't look at individual comparisons when there is a tie in pairwise wins. They automatically look at RPI as the tie breaker.

That's the way Sioux Sports has it as well.

Edit:

This is from Adam Wodon at CHN...

"Something to keep an eye on again this year is how the committee breaks ties when two teams have the same amount of Pairwise Wins. The committee has been breaking that tie by comparing the two teams' RPI. In the past, it would look at the entire "comparison" between the teams. Knowing this, helps explain some things that have confused others in the past couple of years."
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
From everything I've read, they don't look at individual comparisons when there is a tie in pairwise wins. They automatically look at RPI as the tie breaker.

That's the way Sioux Sports has it as well.

Edit:

This is from Adam Wodon at CHN...

"Something to keep an eye on again this year is how the committee breaks ties when two teams have the same amount of Pairwise Wins. The committee has been breaking that tie by comparing the two teams' RPI. In the past, it would look at the entire "comparison" between the teams. Knowing this, helps explain some things that have confused others in the past couple of years."
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I find it hard to believe that if a team is winning a comparison 3-1 that it was tied with in PWCs that it would take the 1 win RPI team, but eh, if Wodon says it, I guess its more believable than if Starman came on here and tried to spread some knowledge.

Still seems pretty odd that they would do that, why not then just take all 16 based soley on RPI if they are going to subject tied teams to that?
 
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mcfarljd said:
I find it hard to believe that if a team is winning a comparison 3-1 that it was tied with in PWCs that it would take the 1 win RPI team, but eh, if Wodon says it, I guess its more believable than if Starman came on here and tried to spread some knowledge.
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You act as if the PWR was created to make sense. I'm just telling you the facts. I've found it multiple places that say the exact same thing. All ties are broken by RPI no matter what.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
You act as if the PWR was created to make sense. I'm just telling you the facts. I've found it multiple places that say the exact same thing. All ties are broken by RPI no matter what.
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Sooo what purpose do those 2-1 numbers in favor of Alaska serve? I'm asking because I really don't know...
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
You act as if the PWR was created to make sense. I'm just telling you the facts. I've found it multiple places that say the exact same thing. All ties are broken by RPI no matter what.
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Woops, you beat my edit. Yea I think most of us around here for the greater part of a few years know that the PWR sucks, but that is an even more off the wall idea of how to break ties. Hypothetical, but if Denver and Wisconsin both wound up with 23 PWR wins, and Wiscy had a 3-1 advantage, but lost the RPI comparison, it seems laughable that they would spot Denver over them.
 
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J.D. said:
Sooo what purpose do those 2-1 numbers in favor of Alaska serve? I'm asking because I really don't know...
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It's one of the 17 pariwise wins that Alaska has. If it was say...2-1 in favor of St. Cloud, then St. Cloud would have 18 wins, and Alaska would have 16 wins and we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
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mcfarljd said:
Woops, you beat my edit. Yea I think most of us around here for the greater part of a few years know that the PWR sucks, but that is an even more off the wall idea of how to break ties. Hypothetical, but if Denver and Wisconsin both wound up with 23 PWR wins, and Wiscy had a 3-1 advantage, but lost the RPI comparison, it seems laughable that they would spot Denver over them.
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It's laughable but that's what they would do. As ridiculous as the system is, it's still much better than if it was like the NCAA basketball tournament and teams were just "selected." At least this way it's taken out of the NCAA's hands for the most part.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
You act as if the PWR was created to make sense. I'm just telling you the facts. I've found it multiple places that say the exact same thing. All ties are broken by RPI no matter what.
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The PWR was created to reflect the NCAA selection mechanism. It's the NCAA selection mechanism that's problematic -- if it is, which isn't at all clear to me. The idea is to have a (nearly) deterministic standard procedure. Anybody who writes a procedure can think of a hundred other ways to do the same thing -- the key virtues are transparency, repeatability and formal definition. The latter so that you can manage change (and the procedure does seem to have been tweaked over the years).

Saying "it sucks" doesn't mean anything. Saying "criterion x should be changed in the following way, and here's why" is useful and encouraged, because that's how systems evolve, and evolution is critical to effectiveness.

(/Off soap box, back to day job writing procedures.)
 
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