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Bracketology

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RPI is used to break ties. That's why St. Lawrence and Maine were slotted ahead of UMass in 2007. UMass won the comparisons against both teams, but had the lower RPI. SLU and Maine were #3 seeds and UMass was a #4.
 
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Priceless said:
Today's bracketology:

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
Boston College		Denver			Miami		Wisconsin
North Dakota		St Cloud		Alaska		Bemidji
MSU			Yale			UNH		Cornell
Ferris St		AHA Champ		UMD		NMU

To fix attendance issues:

Code: 
[B]Albany			Worcester		Fort Wayne	St. Paul[/B]
[B]Boston College[/B]		Denver			Miami		Wisconsin
[B]North Dakota[/B]		St Cloud		Alaska		Bemidji
[B]Cornell[/B]			UNH			Yale		MSU
[B]Ferris St[/B]		AHA Champ		UMD		NMU

The TUC line:

Code: 
21	Minnesota	0.5215
22	Michigan	0.5202
23	Maine	        0.5186
24	Mass-Amherst	0.5185
25	Boston Univ	0.5184
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26	NorthEastern	0.5124
27	Ohio State	0.5097
28	RIT	        0.5073
29	MSU-Mankato	0.5068
30	Merrimack	0.5064
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That is a very good bracket for BC. I would be very happy if we were able to get that bracket.
 
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J.D. said:
Straight Bracket Integrity would work just fine after tonight...

West:

1. Denver
2. St. Cloud State
3. Yale
4. RIT

Midwest:

1. Miami
2. Alaska
3. New Hampshire
4. Minnesota-Duluth

East:

1. Wisconsin
2. Bemidji State
3. Cornell
4. Northern Michigan

Northeast:

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Michigan State
4. Ferris State
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Only problem with these brackets is no one would show up. You're depending on St Cloud to sell out in St. Paul, Miami in Fort Wayne, Cornell in Albany and BC in Worcester. If any of those get upset in the first game (remember three #1 seeds did last year), you've got crickets for the regional finals.

For attendance, you need some combination of the following to make money:
St. Paul: Wisconsin, plus St. Cloud, Bemidji or Duluth
Ft. Wayne: Miami and Michigan State
Albany: BC, Cornell and RIT
Worcester: UNH and Yale. Outside shot at another HE team (VT, MA, UML, Maine if they run the table.)
 
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I predict that we will see the proposal for a regional based on proximity applied to Ft. Wayne this year as there seem to be a few more western teams making the tournament this year. Saint Paul is a regional airline hub and is relatively cheap and easy to get to for Eastern as well as Western teams so no need to apply it there. That in turn may allow a few eastern teams into one of the Eastern regionals.
 
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BC/HE said:
I predict that we will see the proposal for a regional based on proximity applied to Ft. Wayne this year as there seem to be a few more western teams making the tournament this year.
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Yeah, the NCAA's dream would be something like:

1) Miami
2) Michigan State

Even better, have Michigan win the CCHA tourney and trade them for Miami.
 
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AFHockeyFan said:
Only problem with these brackets is no one would show up. You're depending on St Cloud to sell out in St. Paul, Miami in Fort Wayne, Cornell in Albany and BC in Worcester. If any of those get upset in the first game (remember three #1 seeds did last year), you've got crickets for the regional finals.

For attendance, you need some combination of the following to make money:
St. Paul: Wisconsin, plus St. Cloud, Bemidji or Duluth
Ft. Wayne: Miami and Michigan State
Albany: BC, Cornell and RIT
Worcester: UNH and Yale. Outside shot at another HE team (VT, MA, UML, Maine if they run the table.)
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If Boston College is a # 1 seed, they are not driving past Worcester on their way to Albany, they will stay in Worcester.
 
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AFHockeyFan said:
Only problem with these brackets is no one would show up. You're depending on St Cloud to sell out in St. Paul, Miami in Fort Wayne, Cornell in Albany and BC in Worcester. If any of those get upset in the first game (remember three #1 seeds did last year), you've got crickets for the regional finals.

For attendance, you need some combination of the following to make money:
St. Paul: Wisconsin, plus St. Cloud, Bemidji or Duluth
Ft. Wayne: Miami and Michigan State
Albany: BC, Cornell and RIT
Worcester: UNH and Yale. Outside shot at another HE team (VT, MA, UML, Maine if they run the table.)
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East Regional (Albany, NY):

1 Denver vs 16 Atlantic Hockey Champ (RIT)
8 Alaska vs 9 Yale

Midwest Regional (Fort Wayne, IN):

2 Miami vs 15 Minnesota-Duluth
7 St. Cloud vs 12 Michigan State

West Regional (St. Paul, MN):

3 Wisconsin vs 14 Northern Michigan
6 Bemidji State vs 11 Cornell

Northeast Regional (Worcester, MA):

4 Boston College vs 13 Ferris State
5 North Dakota vs 10 New Hampshire
 
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BC/HE said:
I predict that we will see the proposal for a regional based on proximity applied to Ft. Wayne this year as there seem to be a few more western teams making the tournament this year. Saint Paul is a regional airline hub and is relatively cheap and easy to get to for Eastern as well as Western teams so no need to apply it there. That in turn may allow a few eastern teams into one of the Eastern regionals.
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The irony is that flights to Ft. Wayne generally go through O'Hare, Cleveland, or Detroit. It's a very small airport.

I suspect the NCAA will either charter flights in for teams making the whole "airline hub" thing a moot point or fly teams to Chicago and bus them 3 hours down to Ft. Wayne or to Indy and bus up 2 1/2 hours

Traveling fans hoping to fly right there won't enjoy their options either in airlines, schedules, or prices. Flying to Indy or Chicago and driving will offer a lot more options.

Putting Miami and any Michigan schools there would be a significant factor in upping attendance and might come into play with the committee's decisions. Trying to depend on a flying fanbase to boost sales for Ft. Wayne would be a mistake.

Of course if you've got traveling fans who don't mind a simple but long drive, zooming down I-90 from South Dakota or Massachusetts will take you right into the Northern line of the state and its 45 minutes down I-69 to Ft. Wayne.

The NCAA is also heavily advertising in Ft. Wayne right now as well. The town LOVES its hockey (I grew up there--go Komets!) and the town has a crush on college and minor league sports in general. So they might be hoping for some good general admission gate as well.
 
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BUPhD said:
The irony is that flights to Ft. Wayne generally go through O'Hare, Cleveland, or Detroit. It's a very small airport.

I suspect the NCAA will either charter flights in for teams making the whole "airline hub" thing a moot point or fly teams to Chicago and bus them 3 hours to Ft. Wayne.
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The NCAA gives each team money and the team selects their route of transportation. Some spend extra and charter flights, some take the cheap route. But in the end it's up to the team to do what they wish.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
The NCAA gives each team money and the team selects their route of transportation. Some spend extra and charter flights, some take the cheap route. But in the end it's up to the team to do what they wish.
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Ah, that makes sense for the team.

I did edit to consider what it means for traveling fans and ticket sales considerations. But your fickle finger of fate was too fast on the reply.:p
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
The NCAA gives each team money and the team selects their route of transportation. Some spend extra and charter flights, some take the cheap route. But in the end it's up to the team to do what they wish.
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Not sure this is true. Two years ago when Air Force was in Worcester and DU was in Madison, they shared a flight out, dropping DU off on the way. After the OT loss to Miami, AF flew home that night (pretty sure that wasn't their choice). I think the NCAA has more of a hand it in than passing out an envelope full of cash.
 
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AFHockeyFan said:
Not sure this is true. Two years ago when Air Force was in Worcester and DU was in Madison, they shared a flight out, dropping DU off on the way. After the OT loss to Miami, AF flew home that night (pretty sure that wasn't their choice). I think the NCAA has more of a hand it in than passing out an envelope full of cash.
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The NCAA gives teams a travel stipend. Air Force and Denver chose to fly together on a Chartered flight. Both teams lost their opening games. It makes sense that they both decided to fly out that night.
 
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Chuck Schwartz said:
It's laughable but that's what they would do. As ridiculous as the system is, it's still much better than if it was like the NCAA basketball tournament and teams were just "selected." At least this way it's taken out of the NCAA's hands for the most part.
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FYI - from the same source:

http://www.collegehockeynews.com/info/?d=pwcrpi

How the teams are ultimately selected: Using the chart, as linked to above, the teams are listed 1-25, ordered on the basis of most "comparisons" won. When taking out the teams that qualify automatically (by virtue of winning their conference tournament), the remaining top teams are then selected to fill out the 16-team field. If there is a tie in the amount of total comparisons won, this tie is also broken by comparing the two teams' RPI. (Note: That method of breaking ties is not outlined anywhere, and has simply been ascertained through experience and observation. Likewise, the ordering of teams in the chart -- based on total comparisons won -- is also not outlined anywhere. Other methods have been used in the past, that while practically amount to the same thing, are not exactly the same. See below, and this article.)
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I understand sites bid to host regionals and the thought was that Notre Dame would be in Fort Wayne, but it doesn't seem like a great spot for a regional whereas Minnesota, Massachusetts and New York all make sense. Oh well.
 
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J.D. said:
I understand sites bid to host regionals and the thought was that Notre Dame would be in Fort Wayne, but it doesn't seem like a great spot for a regional whereas Minnesota, Massachusetts and New York all make sense. Oh well.
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Many of the CCHA teams are relatively close. I guess distance is relative to the part of the country. (from mapquest)

South Bend is under 2 hours
East Lansing is 2 hours
Ann Arbor is under 2 1/2 hours
Oxford is 2 3/4 hours
Columbus is 3 hours

It is also a bit of a hockey town with at least 4 teams playing in the arena where the regional is to be held.

Location-wise it is more centrally located than Grand Rapids for many of the teams you might expect to make the tourney out of the CCHA.
 
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nmu_27 said:
Many of the CCHA teams are relatively close. I guess distance is relative to the part of the country. (from mapquest)

South Bend is under 2 hours
East Lansing is 2 hours
Ann Arbor is under 2 1/2 hours
Oxford is 2 3/4 hours
Columbus is 3 hours

It is also a bit of a hockey town with at least 4 teams playing in the arena where the regional is to be held.

Location-wise it is more centrally located than Grand Rapids for many of the teams you might expect to make the tourney out of the CCHA.
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I think some of the decision is about the facility itself. The Memorial Coliseum is a great hockey venue. The Joyce at ND doesn't hold enough for the regional and I don't think South Bend has anything sizable enough for hockey. ND has also been trying to expand their support base for hockey in the region and had a game there this season.

It'll be fine for all the regional driving teams but flying directly there is a pain because the airport is small and struggling. The only 'discount carrier' that ever flew there was ATA, and they went bust and pulled out a few years ago. USAir gave up on them as well. So it's basically United, Delta, and Northwest holding the airport open.

A few shuttle van services have sprung up taking people from Ft. Wayne to Indy's airport and back on a schedule too.
 
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J.D. said:
Straight Bracket Integrity would work just fine after tonight...

West:

1. Denver
2. St. Cloud State
3. Yale
4. RIT

Midwest:

1. Miami
2. Alaska
3. New Hampshire
4. Minnesota-Duluth

East:

1. Wisconsin
2. Bemidji State
3. Cornell
4. Northern Michigan

Northeast:

1. Boston College
2. North Dakota
3. Michigan State
4. Ferris State
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This is what Moy came up with as well...
 
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