Bowdoin ?

[NUProf]

Re: Bowdoin ?

I, for one, am very proud of the calibre of student who graduates from Norwich. In the classroom it doesn't matter whether a student wears a uniform or not - it is all about academic achievement. There are some policies at Norwich that I may have disagreed with, but the bottom line that the goal is graduating. The athletic department is very supportive of this, and Coach McShane, in particular, stresses that the players have to get it done in the classroom.

As for the "Cadets," that was the choice of the students from the time that civilian undergraduates and Corps of Cadets students were housed on the same campus. At one time, civilian students resided on the Montpelier campus and cadets in Northfield. As part of the transition to the current model, a number of issues were discussed by "transition committees." It was suggested that the athletic teams be either the Cadets, Horsemen, or Eagles. Cadets was the overwhelming choice of both student populations.

Don't reinvent history when there are some of us around who lived through it.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: Bowdoin ?

Don't reinvent history when there are some of us around who lived through it.

So what was it like there in 1819?

 

[berbs91]

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I am sure Russel can correct me on this but Buff State just got on the main stream bandwagon of FA over the past decade. They may have offered it, but its nothing like the package you see at either Oswego and Plattsburgh.

Oswego just started the foreign aid package in the last decade. There weren't any Canadian players on the 1999-2000 team. In 1998, the Hart International Student and Honors Dorm opened. Mike Lukajic was part of the first Canadian class in fall of 2000. This combined with the new rink coming to fruition has brought Oswego back to prominence.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Bowdoin ?

Oswego just started the foreign aid package in the last decade. There weren't any Canadian players on the 1999-2000 team. In 1998, the Hart International Student and Honors Dorm opened. Mike Lukajic was part of the first Canadian class in fall of 2000. This combined with the new rink coming to fruition has brought Oswego back to prominence.

Exactly, don't want to make it seem that the aid is the only reason for Oswegos up and coming...or now I think we can say...powerhouse teams. But for years the SUNYAC struggled outside of Plattsburgh in the hockey side of things because they did not do this. Now with more schools going to it, the SUNYAC has become better.

That and the stateside JR programs have become more competitive...

 

[Old Rook NU'66]

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So what was it like there in 1819?

About the same as it has always been. No doubt some enterprising young cadet was even then placing that first (but obviously not the last) roll of toilet paper in the 5AM reveille cannon so that the rest of the Cadets could watch it sail down the Upper Parade Ground as morning wake up call.

Drums and bugles were just as loud (and still very annoying). But Cadet Crosby would know much better than me as he was three years ahead of me--back when the Corp was only armed with sticks, stones and a church key for each squad.

 

[norm1909]

Re: Bowdoin ?

I, for one, am very proud of the calibre of student who graduates from Norwich. In the classroom it doesn't matter whether a student wears a uniform or not - it is all about academic achievement. There are some policies at Norwich that I may have disagreed with, but the bottom line that the goal is graduating. The athletic department is very supportive of this, and Coach McShane, in particular, stresses that the players have to get it done in the classroom.

As for the "Cadets," that was the choice of the students from the time that civilian undergraduates and Corps of Cadets students were housed on the same campus. At one time, civilian students resided on the Montpelier campus and cadets in Northfield. As part of the transition to the current model, a number of issues were discussed by "transition committees." It was suggested that the athletic teams be either the Cadets, Horsemen, or Eagles. Cadets was the overwhelming choice of both student populations.

Don't reinvent history when there are some of us around who lived through it.

It is all about academic achievement. At the Division III level, dreams of million dollar athletic contracts should be just that - dreams. The cost of degree, over the students career will be pennies on the dollar, regardless of where they attend, even a difference of $200,000 between a private and public degree is, over a 45 year career (regular retirement age for them is currently 68), is less that $4500 a year. I believe today’s graduates should have little problem, especially factoring in inflation, at averaging $50,000 a year over their career, or about $2,250,000 (<9 cents on the dollar), but assuming they average $75,000, that is still $3,375,000 (<6 cents on the dollar) – at an average of $100,000 ($4,500,000), it drops to <4.5 cents on the dollar). My point? The cost of an education in terms of dollars should be a mute point. Getting the education needs to be the PRIMARY objective. Do private school graduates average a higher annual income that public school graduates. Yes, but not IMO, it is not inherent to the fact that the instructors at the private schools are better, but rather, their missions are different, private schools have the ability to demand higher admission standards than public schools. What determines for the most part – a career salary average – it is the student’s commitment to studying and learning. The material and learning experience will be there, be it a private or public institution, but in the end, as the old adage goes – “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink”. Norwich’s student policies and enforcement, from admissions through graduation help create an environment less conducive to “distractions” than those found at many other institutions, no, they are not perfect, perfection only exists in dreams, but they are IMO, to be commended. However, in the end, it is NOT the schools polices, that determine success, but the students determination to succeed. It is quite apparent that graduates from different schools have different levels of success, and when talking student athletes, that variation becomes even more pronounced. Quality coaches MAKE A DIFFERENCE, instilling and demanding commitment first as a student then as an athlete is a must – you need look only here or here to see who has it YEAR after YEAR.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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Oswego just started the foreign aid package in the last decade. There weren't any Canadian players on the 1999-2000 team. In 1998, the Hart International Student and Honors Dorm opened. Mike Lukajic was part of the first Canadian class in fall of 2000. This combined with the new rink coming to fruition has brought Oswego back to prominence.

It is not an "Oswego" program. (See the plethora of posts over multiple threads from the past year for details...)

I recall (a bunch, several, some, more than one) Canadian players "back in the day", which for me was 73 - 77... driven by a New York State student exchange program with Canada... New York students could enroll in Canadian colleges and vice versa - administered in Albany (how did they ever balance it out?)

Anyway, Oz has been welcoming students and student athletes from north of the border and all over the globe for decades... In '76 a former Olympic swimmer from West Germany that came to Oz because it was on a "pretty big lake"... go figure.

 

[NUProf]

Re: Bowdoin ?

So what was it like there in 1819?

Ask Crosby

 

[bakdraft21]

Re: Bowdoin ?

Oswego just started the foreign aid package in the last decade. There weren't any Canadian players on the 1999-2000 team. In 1998, the Hart International Student and Honors Dorm opened. Mike Lukajic was part of the first Canadian class in fall of 2000. This combined with the new rink coming to fruition has brought Oswego back to prominence.

well as for the 87 team, the 1st team to get the the National Champ, we had a mix of all, Americanas from Long Island, buffalo, Chicago,Mass, etc and about 6 or 7 Canadiens, we seemed to have done pretty well, and perhpas if there more open and honest recruiting we would have won it all with out the forfeit...Bottom line there are a whole bunch of factors that get a recruit in, and YES $$$ is a BIG one.......

 

[Euler18]

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SOMETHING REALLY POSITIVE ABOUT BOWDOIN: KYLE SHEARER-HARDY NAMED TO THE ALL AMERICA FIRST TEAM

Bowdoin's outstanding defenseman Kyle Shearer-Hardy has been named to the All-America First Team. He is Bowdoin's thirty-second All-America selection since the 1969-70 season.

Here's a complete list of Bowdoin's All-Americas:

1970: John Bradley (G); Bob Hall (D); Ed Good (F)
1971: Bob Kullen (D)
1973: Dick Donovan (F)
1975: John Vigneron (D)
1978: Bob Devaney (F); Gerry Ciarcia (D)
1979: Gery Ciarcia (D)
1980: Mark Pletts (D)
1981: Bill Provencher (G)
1982: Jean Roy (D)
1983: Jean Roy (D)
1984: Jean Roy (D)
1985: Jon Leonard (D)
1986: Jon Leonard (D)
1987: Jon Leonard (D); John McGeough (F)
1989: Brendan Hickey (F); Kevin Potter (D)
1990: Brad Chin (F)
1993: Charlie Gaffney (F)
1994: Charlie Gaffney (F); Paul Croteau (D)
1995: Charlie Gaffney (F); Paul Croteau (D)
1996: Stuart Logan (G)
2002: Mike Carosi (F)
2006: Jon Landry (D); George Papachristopholous (G)
2008: Mike Westerman (D)
2010: Kyle Shearer-Hardy (D)

Defensemen: 18
Forwards: 10
Goaltenders: 4

 

[Russell Jaslow]

Re: Bowdoin ?

well as for the 87 team, the 1st team to get the the National Champ, we had a mix of all, Americanas from Long Island, buffalo, Chicago,Mass, etc and about 6 or 7 Canadiens, we seemed to have done pretty well, and perhpas if there more open and honest recruiting we would have won it all with out the forfeit...Bottom line there are a whole bunch of factors that get a recruit in, and YES $$$ is a BIG one.......

Hate to break it to you, but Plattsburgh did not forfeit 1987. The NCAA vacated the title. Thus, there is no champion in 1987. You didn't win it. Sorry.

 

[LakerEagleLover]

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Hate to break it to you, but Plattsburgh did not forfeit 1987. The NCAA vacated the title. Thus, there is no champion in 1987. You didn't win it. Sorry.

I am not familiar with the details, but the logic doesn't make sense (but, I guess that's the NCAA for you...) Olympic gold medalist violates rules, medal removed, new champion is former silver medalist...

If this is covered somewhere else, point me in the right direction as this is supposed to be a Bowdoin thread (although that was tossed aside a few pages ago...)

 

[NUProf]

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I am not familiar with the details, but the logic doesn't make sense (but, I guess that's the NCAA for you...) Olympic gold medalist violates rules, medal removed, new champion is former silver medalist...

If this is covered somewhere else, point me in the right direction as this is supposed to be a Bowdoin thread (although that was tossed aside a few pages ago...)

The NCAA couldn't give the title to anybody - after all, Plattsburgh beat other teams on the way to the finals - all they can do is vacate the title. This is standard NCAA procedures. They simply remove all reference to the punished teams from the record book. The champion is (vacated). Look at the NCAA tournament history and you will see that's how it is listed.

 

[bakdraft21]

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Hate to break it to you, but Plattsburgh did not forfeit 1987. The NCAA vacated the title. Thus, there is no champion in 1987. You didn't win it. Sorry.

NOt saying we won, but without sportsmanship and honest recruiting, whats it worth for anyone.........where did you play????? Just curious???

 

[norm1909]

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The NCAA couldn't give the title to anybody - after all, Plattsburgh beat other teams on the way to the finals - all they can do is vacate the title. This is standard NCAA procedures. They simply remove all reference to the punished teams from the record book. The champion is (vacated). Look at the NCAA tournament history and you will see that's how it is listed.

Actually, it stays in the Record Book, they just prefix it with a * or # sign - *Participation in championship vacated or #Participation in the tournament vacated by the NCAA Committee on Infractions.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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NOt saying we won, but without sportsmanship and honest recruiting, whats it worth for anyone.........where did you play????? Just curious???

Me? Played?

Now, that's funny.

But I can skate.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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NOt saying we won, but without sportsmanship and honest recruiting, whats it worth for anyone.........where did you play????? Just curious???

BTW, go back and read what you wrote. It definitely does imply that you are insinuating that you won it.

No harm done. I'm just being anal about it.

 

[bakdraft21]

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Me? Played?

Now, that's funny.

But I can skate.

Well didnt mean to say we won, believe me stayed with me for a few weeks after the loss, and I was just wondering what your experience with being recruited was , nothing more than that.......Have fun at the frozen / freaking/fun/fabulous 4 ...or whatever they r calling it....say hi to Loudhorns 31.for me.....

 

[westscout]

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I wonder what Norbert would have done vs. Bowdoin?

I am sure they would have got beat. Bowdoin vs. Oswego would have been a better semi-final game, at least for Oswego.

Westscout

 

[hockeyfan77]

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I wonder what Norbert would have done vs. Bowdoin?

I am sure they would have got beat. Bowdoin vs. Oswego would have been a better semi-final game, at least for Oswego.

Westscout

Well, Norwich only beat Bowdoin 4-2...Who knows???