Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

[srsterrier]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Maybe somebody has to tell him to change the type of kid he brings in?

That is the point. The guy who runs the program bears responsibility for the type of players he is bringing in and how they conduct themselves on and off the ice.

On that note, coincidence or not, both Nicastro and Trivino were very early commitments - the first in their classes at BU. Nicastro committed on 2/28/07 even though he was not coming to BU until the Fall of 09'. Trivino committed on 8/6/06 even though he did not come to BU until the Fall of 08' [my source for all this is Heisenberg's site]. I understand that this is the system now and BU is not the only school doing it. But there are a lot of risks when you recruit that way. You lose kids to Major Junior; some kids regress; and others do not mature the way that you anticipate. Bottom line: it is harder to get a read on recruits when you commit to them when they are 16 years old and a couple of years away from coming to campus.

Every other school has to deal with the same system but Coach Parker has not adjusted to the new recruiting landscape as well as some others have. BU needs someone who can handle it better.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Legal question, can/did the charge get amended before arraignment from sexual assault to rape?

According to the papers this morning he was booked Sunday morning on 1 count of "rape" (sorry Gentry).

Punishable up to 20 years in state prison if convicted. Serious, serious stuff obviously.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

A few more arrests for drugs and weapons posession and we'll be the BC hoops team. Yikes.

College kids doing drugs, who'da thunk?

Unless you can find where a BC athlete was charged with murder, kidnapping or rape, you're wasting your time because there's no comparison. Man up and don't try to drag BC into this. It's your hockey team that's the disgrace here.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

is hamilton house used for anything? that place was a dump 20 years ago.

put the team in there. nail up signs that read "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!" up and down the comm ave enterance. anyone enters, they do so with this understanding, anything goes. assign escorts for the players for the walk to practice - walk to class - observe them in class. they can request additional escorts for any 'on campus' visits outside of this. they have little kitchens in HH so they can feed themselves. if they want to wander around a/b or brookline that is the local cops problem - they can use a game program as a collection of mug shots to know who to tail. T's can hire bouncers at their discretion to balance the draw of the players and their followers spending $$$ vs the draw of lawsuits for abetting & enabling groping.

 

[Rover]

College kids doing drugs, who'da thunk?

Unless you can find where a BC athlete was charged with murder, kidnapping or rape, you're wasting your time because there's no comparison. Man up and don't try to drag BC into this. It's your hockey team that's the disgrace here.

When was a BU player charged with murder? You have weapons, harboring fugitives, counterfeiting even, steroids, gambling, you name it. We've got aways to go to match BC.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

is hamilton house used for anything? That place was a dump 20 years ago.

Put the team in there. Nail up signs that read "enter at your own risk!!!" up and down the comm ave enterance. Anyone enters, they do so with this understanding, anything goes. Assign escorts for the players for the walk to practice - walk to class - observe them in class. They can request additional escorts for any 'on campus' visits outside of this. They have little kitchens in hh so they can feed themselves. If they want to wander around a/b or brookline that is the local cops problem - they can use a game program as a collection of mug shots to know who to tail. T's can hire bouncers at their discretion to balance the draw of the players and their followers spending $$$ vs the draw of lawsuits for abetting & enabling groping.

lol

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

That is the point. The guy who runs the program bears responsibility for the type of players he is bringing in and how they conduct themselves on and off the ice.

On that note, coincidence or not, both Nicastro and Trivino were very early commitments - the first in their classes at BU. Nicastro committed on 2/28/07 even though he was not coming to BU until the Fall of 09'. Trivino committed on 8/6/06 even though he did not come to BU until the Fall of 08' [my source for all this is Heisenberg's site]. I understand that this is the system now and BU is not the only school doing it. But there are a lot of risks when you recruit that way. You lose kids to Major Junior; some kids regress; and others do not mature the way that you anticipate. Bottom line: it is harder to get a read on recruits when you commit to them when they are 16 years old and a couple of years away from coming to campus.

Every other school has to deal with the same system but Coach Parker has not adjusted to the new recruiting landscape as well as some others have. BU needs someone who can handle it better.

I agree the coach bears the burden of responsibility for the players he brings in, but I don't see how early recruiting makes a difference in that or not. If you don't look for early commits, you're going to lose out on recruits. I really don't see how kids committing early correlates to bringing bad apples into the program. All recruiting is a crap shoot, and I doubt you're going to have a better handle on a 17 year old than you are a 16 year old.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

is hamilton house used for anything? that place was a dump 20 years ago.

BU closed that after my freshman year (04-05) and sold it off to someone else. I see lights on there sometimes as if people live there, no idea who.

 

[hpgunner14]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

When was a BU player charged with murder? You have weapons, harboring fugitives, counterfeiting even, steroids, gambling, you name it. We've got aways to go to match BC.

I think we can all agree to leave BC out of this. Sorry.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

I think we can all agree to leave BC out of this. Sorry.

I wish we could all agree to leave the BC posters out of this too.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

When was a BU player charged with murder? You have weapons, harboring fugitives, counterfeiting even, steroids, gambling, you name it. We've got aways to go to match BC.

NONE of those compare to rape, not even close. Furthermore, we're talking present day coaches. York is as clean as a whistle and the mere fact that he's "supposedly" been able to sweep some stuff under the carpet shows how minor those offenses were. Pretty hard to sweep things like rape and assault with a deadly weapon (Sabo) under the carpet.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

NONE of those compare to rape, not even close. Furthermore, we're talking present day coaches. York is as clean as a whistle and the mere fact that he's been able to sweep some stuff under the carpet shows how minor those offenses were. Pretty hard to sweep things like rape and assault with a deadly weapon (Sabo) under the carpet.

Right or wrong, do you not have anything else to do today besides troll this thread?

 

[srsterrier]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

I agree the coach bears the burden of responsibility for the players he brings in, but I don't see how early recruiting makes a difference in that or not. If you don't look for early commits, you're going to lose out on recruits. I really don't see how kids committing early correlates to bringing bad apples into the program. All recruiting is a crap shoot, and I doubt you're going to have a better handle on a 17 year old than you are a 16 year old.

I didn't say that we shouldn't look for early commitments. I did say that we should look for a coach who can handle the recruiting process better than the current one.

 

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Here's an interesting piece on BU in the wake of the second arrest? It's asking the question if BU has become so blinded by success and riches that they've lost their way as a down-home style organization. Or is this just a program with a bad group of guys.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice...

http://excalibursportspage.com/2012/02/20/has-bu-hockey-lost-its-way/

 

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

I didn't say that we shouldn't look for early commitments. I did say that we should look for a coach who can handle the recruiting process better than the current one.

I think there are two schools of thought now with BU. This is either two guys who individually have some serious issues, or its a bad group of guys on the team. Either way, the university will need to tighten some screws around this team. There has to be some type of ramification around the program for allowing this to happen two times in a single season. This is a horrible state of affairs.

I support Jack Parker immensely, but at the same time, there is a big brunt of blame because htis happened IN SEASON two times. You'd think players would hav ebetter judgment and someone would've been able to stunt this type of behavior.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Right or wrong, do you not have anything else to do today besides troll this thread?

Sorry, it just drives me crazy to see BU fans continue to try and minimize these situations. Just like how Sabo is an angel because he was found not guilty because his dad spent a fortune on Lawyers, just like how these girls were asking for it by opening their doors. You guys have a BIG problem and you just can't admit it.

 

[pirate]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

What are you talking about? I wish I had a dime for every time I've read something like "Jack Parker is a molder of men", or "Parker's influence extends beyond the realm of hockey". Do these statements apply only when things are going well?

Right now, I feel embarassed to call myself a fan of BU hockey. Two separate incidents involving players and sexual assault / rape? This is off-the-charts awful and even that's an understatement.

Right, and of the several hundred young men he has coached, would you say 99% have not been accused of a sexual crime? What % are respected business people and good parents?

Plenty of 'good kids' go off to college and end up doing a variety of stupid and criminal acts. Some are athletes, some are math majors.

Like you, I'm deeply concerned, so don't think I'm condoning anything.

We should all learn to let the facts come to light and be sure we know what happened before we get the torches and pitch forks out. That is true for Nicastro and his coach.

As the BU student commented in the article, you'd think Nicastro would be well aware of this subject and the severe change-of-life outcomes.

I would like to know what the school, athletic department and team do as a matter of course to help young men understand the 'rules' and what they did following the Trivino arrest to reinforce the message.

But, if we're counting on the only reason a kid chooses not to commit this crime is because the coach told him it was wrong then we are in a world of trouble.

I would expect the President to appoint an investigator to dig into the culture of the program, Parker's influence on player behavior, his tolerance of inappropriate behavior and what the AD did to follow up on the Trivino incident.

In my life I've seen more than I'd like to recall ruin their careers over things from ethics violations to sexual harrassment...all things that people knew were wrong, the 'reward' didn't justify the risk, the penalties were life-altering, there was ample education on the subject and they were 80+% 'good people' up until that moment. Certainly whoever hired them didn't think they'd end up the perpetrator of that type of act. And most times, people around them spent more time with them than Parker does with his players and they didn't see it coming. Sad but true.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Keep in mind that for every female that went to the cops, there were likely many, many more who just kept quiet and took it. Hockey players in general can tend to be a wild bunch and it's well known that BU players over the years have had a bad reputation in that regard.

 

[candycanes99]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

I don't know if the character of the kids coming in is what should be in question. Instead, it is the culture that they develop in at BU. The fact that underage drinking is allowed to occur under the noses of people in the program is a problem. They're college students, yes, but it is true that there could easily be a tighter watch kept on what the players are doing after games and instead they get turned loose so to speak. Incoming freshmen are indoctrinated with these ideas about what they can get away with by the current players, and it will continue like that if nothing changes. This doesn't necessarily fall into the lap of the AD or the coach up until now, but I think there needs to be a discussion with local proprietors at this point.

The problem is that the line between right and wrong has become blurred for these young men, because they can get away with so much. It wouldn't hurt for the athletics program to require some sort of ethics course. These incidents hurt everyone, and the fact that it stems from arrogance and ignorance is unacceptable.

 

[Humanoid]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Keep in mind that for every female that went to the cops, there were likely many, many more who just kept quiet and took it. Hockey players in general can tend to be a wild bunch and it's well known that BU players over the years have had a bad reputation in that regard.

A post like this though is putting a generalization on something that's purely speculatory. You should also be pointing out then that there are hundreds of unreported incidents involving the math team, the chemistry department, or the theology school. You're essentially saying the hockey team is nothing but a bunch of horned-up, sex-crazed lunatics, and I highly doubt with 100% certainty, that all the members of the team are like this.

However, there needs to be some type of ramification because as a team, one incident is isolated, two incidents is cause for a concern and some type of ramifications. The team could've done more to stop this, but you, sir, are way out of line.