Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

[mookie1995]

I think there might be a lot of situations being decided higher than Jack right now. No doubt Robert Brown is involved at this point.

He should have gotten involved in December.

He should have people trying to contact the two folks who posted stories on the bhb yesterday to see if they were legit parents/students or bs fiction writers.

Lynch should be looking at want ads if this plays out true.

JackPa should be stocking his boat for a long one way sail if true as well.

This should be investigated internally 24h/day for the next couple days and if true, do the honorable thing and end the season now.

Then brown should resign.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

JackPa should be stocking his boat for a long one way sail if true as well.

I thought he burned it...

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

I could totally see Parker pulling a Paterno and saying that there's no need for an investigation of him, because he is going to retire at the end of the season anyway.

 

[Jofa]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Calm down, Jack Parker is not implicated in this case at all. It's not a Paterno situation where there was a coverup. This is a tragic situation and all guilty parties should be held to account, but nothing suggests Jack Parker is one of them.

Wow you have no understanding of leadership do you or lack of it. Its all about Parker, his program, his recruits, he is accountable for all of it that is what is "supposed" to come with his position. And when it fails you go.

 

[hpgunner14]

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He should have gotten involved in December.

Then brown should resign.

You lost me a little bit at the end. If the individuals are held responsible for their actions and dismissed from the team, what more responsibility should the President of a University have to bear? The school certainly doesn't seem to be trying to cover anything up here.

 

[carltonbarrett]

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You lost me a little bit at the end. If the individuals are held responsible for their actions and dismissed from the team, what more responsibility should the President of a University have to bear? The school certainly doesn't seem to be trying to cover anything up here.

When BU female students have to worry about being raped by guys on the hockey team, that's a "big picture" problem, not an isolated incident. After the Trivino fiasco, the coaches and the team should have been read the riot act. Instead, they were allowed to continue business as usual. I don't think BU fans are comprehending yet how big a deal this is....

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

You lost me a little bit at the end. If the individuals are held responsible for their actions and dismissed from the team, what more responsibility should the President of a University have to bear? The school certainly doesn't seem to be trying to cover anything up here.

he is the boss. in charge. ceo. this is the showcase offering his product has to present to the public.

if, as brian types, he is only now taking a look at this -- he is not earning the money he is being paid.

he is front and center when it's happy times (frozen four in washington. couldn't walk five feet without bumping into brown). this is the showcase 'thing' at his school. all of us who follow the program questioned what was happening in dec with trivino and the events that led up to his dismissal. he should have had someone outside the program looking at what this was doing to his brand (not just take jack's word that things were under control). this isn't the 1950s anymore. incredible lack of foresight and leadership on his part to let this continue.

(and again as i typed early... if true. you can work now to find out what happened, which is the only thing i care about - not what can be proved. and don't bring up duke. the d.a. there knew what happened and criminally ignored it.)

 

[carltonbarrett]

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OHanley? Hello?
York covers things up and "things" never hit the papers.
and how many complete illiterates does that program allow to play well past the first semester?
I can count to 2 in the last 3 years... so can Jerry.
not learning disabled, illiterate.

Comparing what O'Hanley and Motherwell were caught doing to what Mad Max and Trivino did, is like comparing a firecracker to an H-bomb. Not even worth mentioning in this conversation. But the Sabo "incident", now that's something I'd have been disappointed in with York if he'd handled the same way Parker did.

 

[Jofa]

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I don't think BU fans are comprehending yet how big a deal this is....

Agreed they are looking at (next year) a new coach, some more early defections off of this team, lost committed recruits (some of their biggest), weaker future recruiting success, building up a new reputation/culture over the course of five years or more while bottom dwelling over that same period. There will stories/books written about the last 12 years of the Parker era and it wont be pretty.

 

[buoldtimer]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

Calm down, Jack Parker is not implicated in this case at all. It's not a Paterno situation where there was a coverup. This is a tragic situation and all guilty parties should be held to account, but nothing suggests Jack Parker is one of them.

What are you talking about? I wish I had a dime for every time I've read something like "Jack Parker is a molder of men", or "Parker's influence extends beyond the realm of hockey". Do these statements apply only when things are going well?

Right now, I feel embarassed to call myself a fan of BU hockey. Two separate incidents involving players and sexual assault / rape? This is off-the-charts awful and even that's an understatement.

 

[Patman]

Re: Boston Universtiy 2011-2012 Part IV: Dont stop fighting til the fight is done!

When BU female students have to worry about being raped by guys on the hockey team, that's a "big picture" problem, not an isolated incident. After the Trivino fiasco, the coaches and the team should have been read the riot act. Instead, they were allowed to continue business as usual. I don't think BU fans are comprehending yet how big a deal this is....

I'm not sure its as a big deal as you're saying... I think it really depends on what the team is getting away with... because when the incidents pile up people are willing to talk more. In the end, it comes down to "what does Jack know" and "what should have Jack known".

JoePa got destroyed on the "should have done more" side of things. Parker... well, I think as I said on the Lowell thread... he likes aggressive types and thinks he can deal with them. They're as much apart of him as anything else. I don't think its an intentional thing in that he knows the kids are bad eggs but rather he might be blind or willfully blind to the consequences rest of the personality. That being said, been a lot of warts recently.

You guys do what you want... would it shock me if things like this happen in the future with Parker's kids? No, I think its part of the personality set he looks for... does that mean he should leave... I don't think so as such unless there's a willful disregard on his part. Maybe somebody has to tell him to change the type of kid he brings in?

 

[hpgunner14]

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When BU female students have to worry about being raped by guys on the hockey team, that's a "big picture" problem, not an isolated incident. After the Trivino fiasco, the coaches and the team should have been read the riot act. Instead, they were allowed to continue business as usual. I don't think BU fans are comprehending yet how big a deal this is....

Thanks for telling me how I feel. The fact that any female student at any college campus should have to worry about being raped by another student at their university is a terrible problem, a possibility that upset me back when university officials lecture us to "not take drinks from others" or "don't leave your cup unattended" and even more so when I tell my younger sister the same. I think this is a very big deal because he's a student at BU, not because he's a hockey player, and although I acknowledge that athletes have more adult oversight than other students, I don't think this means they have any more or less responsibility to be a good person and representative of the university.

I don't pretend to know what actions President Brown took back in December, and what he told to whom. The fact that a player was dismissed from the team prior to his trial (and not "suspended") to me means that he had been disciplined before and that the team leadership was making a point to all players that their actions would have serious and immediate consequences. If there's more that can be done to prevent these crimes in the future, I'm all for it, but I can only judge based on what we know to have happened and unfortunately that's taken place after the acts have been committed.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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well, I think as I said on the Lowell thread... he likes aggressive types and thinks he can deal with them.

You guys do what you want... would it shock me if things like this happen in the future with Parker's kids? No, I think its part of the personality set he looks for... does that mean he should leave... I don't think so as such unless there's a willful disregard on his part. Maybe somebody has to tell him to change the type of kid he brings in?

Wait. Slow down there. Ridiculous post.

I see no support for saying "he likes aggressive types and thinks he can deal with them" or that he recruits guys that like to sexually assault girls as it is "part of a personality set he looks for." That to me sounds absolutely absurd and there seems to no basis for coming to this conclusion.

If anything, you could argue that he recruits players that he thinks will help him win and does not pay attention to the type of kid they are. That wouldn't be a stretch. The other stuff is a HUGE stretch.

 

[Patman]

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Wait. Slow down there. Ridiculous post.

I see no support for saying "he likes aggressive types and thinks he can deal with them" or that he recruits guys that like to sexually assault girls as it is "part of a personality set he looks for." That to me sounds absolutely absurd and there seems to no basis for coming to this conclusion.

If anything, you could argue that he recruits players that he thinks will help him win and does not pay attention to the type of kid they are. That wouldn't be a stretch. The other stuff is a HUGE stretch.

Did I say that (sexual assault being a desirable quality)? No, I didn't. Is it my supposition he likes aggressive types... yes. How else do you explain the string of problem children that pop up?

 

[hpgunner14]

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he is the boss. in charge. ceo. this is the showcase offering his product has to present to the public.

if, as brian types, he is only now taking a look at this -- he is not earning the money he is being paid.

he is front and center when it's happy times (frozen four in washington. couldn't walk five feet without bumping into brown). this is the showcase 'thing' at his school. all of us who follow the program questioned what was happening in dec with trivino and the events that led up to his dismissal. he should have had someone outside the program looking at what this was doing to his brand (not just take jack's word that things were under control). this isn't the 1950s anymore. incredible lack of foresight and leadership on his part to let this continue.

(and again as i typed early... if true. you can work now to find out what happened, which is the only thing i care about - not what can be proved. and don't bring up duke. the d.a. there knew what happened and criminally ignored it.)

Female students under-report incidences of sexual assault and almost never falsely accuse, so I'm operating under the assumption of "it's true."

I understand what you're saying and Brown should definitely have gotten involved in December. It sounds like you're suggesting that him and Parker had a conversation where Parker told him "everything's under control, this was isolated, we'll discipline him and it won't happen again, don't worry" and Brown took him at his word. If that's the case and that's the extent to which university officials (shouldn't the AD and DoS be included?) were involved, then I'd have a problem with that as well. I certainly don't know the circumstances of what happened back then and what meetings/conversations have occurred in the interim, but I don't know that it's fair to assume that because a second incident occurred in the same season that the university neglected their responsibilities.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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Did I say that (sexual assault being a desirable quality)? No, I didn't. Is it my supposition he likes aggressive types... yes. How else do you explain the string of problem children that pop up?

Well, first, you say he recruits these types of kids. How many of them were trouble before they got to BU? I don't know many aside from Nieto getting in trouble for dropping a deuce on a girl's car with 3 other US Program kids. Trivino was apparently a small town kid that never had any issues prior to BU from what I've read.

It's a culture problem at BU. Come to BU, everyone worships you, big man on campus, do what you want.

To me there's little basis to say Parker likes aggressive types or has a distinct personality set he is looking for (especially a BAD personality set). I maintain it is ABSURD to suggest that.

 

[brassbonanza]

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I wouldn't be shocked if Parker has to answer to Brown a bit on this, considering all of the bad press BU is getting out of these incidents. I don't know that it's a fireable offense unless there's some kind of proof that there's a history of these criminal incidents going unreported or covered up by the program, though it would seem not to be the case based on the way the two situations were handled swiftly and publicly this season.

 

[carltonbarrett]

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I wouldn't be shocked if Parker has to answer to Brown a bit on this, considering all of the bad press BU is getting out of these incidents.

Ya think

 

[Rover]

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A few more arrests for drugs and weapons posession and we'll be the BC hoops team. Yikes.

Look I don't blame Parker for either incident but its beyond obvious that these kids have no respect for him, the team, or the school. Bob Brown needs to call everyone into his office today from the AD to the coach to the assistants and ask what changes they plan on implementing. If they don't have a good answer they're all fired. I don't care if Parker himself has to roam the halls of the dorm to keep an eye on things. The team either gets control of these kids now or they bring in someone who can.

 

[brassbonanza]

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Look I don't blame Parker for either incident but its beyond obvious that these kids have no respect for him, the team, or the school. Bob Brown needs to call everyone into his office today from the AD to the coach to the assistants and ask what changes they plan on implementing. If they don't have a good answer they're all fired. I don't care if Parker himself has to roam the halls of the dorm to keep an eye on things. The team either gets control of these kids now or they bring in someone who can.

Sadly not an unreasonable scenario here.

Legal question, can/did the charge get amended before arraignment from sexual assault to rape?