Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

[slurpees]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

It's my personal opinion that the only way we get into the NCAAs is by WINNING the HE tournament anyway (everyone says "getting to the final" - but think about that - that means a win over UNH or probably even more likely, BC).

As of right now, the math does not agree with this. As it stands right now, winning the auto bid is not the only way in. If the tournament started today, assuming FL's source about RPI breaking ties, we are in. Too many other results left to make any definitive prediction, but it's not true to say that our only path in is the autobid at this point. Of course, this can change easily as the next two weekends play out.

 

[kcnuloyal]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

You guys haven't instituted any additional security measures at Matthews, have you? The last two Friday night games BU had had there I've gone straight from work and I had my bag with me (you know, shoes, book, lunch bag - stuff in addition to my purse) and I've gotten it in no problem. I'm hoping that I don't have one this time.

Hmm, I went to a game earlier this year at Matthews with a buddy and they didn't let him in because he had a backpack with him. He offered to let them look through it, but I think it must be a new policy as of this season. I'm not a student anymore, but I never remembered that being the case in prior years. Luckily he stowed it in another friend's car, but you might want to leave the bag at work if you can rather than deal with the inconvenience at the arena.

 

[jcarter7669]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Forgive me for chiming in on your personal squabble here, but aren't you assuming that UVM WINS its first two games? If somebody beats them, BU gets the home court for the America East Championship game against someone who is seeded lower than they are. That seems like a pretty good bet. The Cats didn't exactly look like world beaters Sunday AT HOME against a BU team without their leading scorer. And like UVM is going to WIN a game as a 16th seed instead? How many Syracuses do you think are out there?

Nope, I didn't even bring UVM into it. I simply said BU is unlikley to make the tourney and if by some chance it did actually make the tourney it wouldn't far...thus the lack of interest by the students. You brought up UVM, and since you did, UVM was also out their leading scorer... and again, the statement wasn't about UVM or what they would do in the tourney. You are right, most likely a one and done. But then again UVM doesn't have a problem getting fans into the stands.

Also, what NU "does to us this weekend" is pretty much irrelevant, to be honest. They are locked into 6th, and if we do anything less than sweep NU, we will most likely finish third, which means we will play them again next weekend. It's my personal opinion that the only way we get into the NCAAs is by WINNING the HE tournament anyway (everyone says "getting to the final" - but think about that - that means a win over UNH or probably even more likely, BC).
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Actually what NU does this weekend is very relevant. MC is almost guaranteed a sweep, so for BU to stay in 3rd they need to sweep NU as well. NU takes a single point and BU is playing ME not NU. Should ME beat BU in the QF's that's it for the season. For fairness sake, if BU plays NU and NU wins the QF's that's the end of the season for BU to. That said I do disagree BU needs to win HE. If they do play ME and win that QF's and maybe a semi, that would be all against TUC's and I think they have a good shot. That said, I dont believe they will sweep NU nor do I think they get past ME in the QF's.

Regardless, I was more responding to the twat that seems to think BU is tops in the country in everything. He is like a Yale fan a month ago....

 

[slurpees]

Nope, I didn't even bring UVM into it. I simply said BU is unlikley to make the tourney and if by some chance it did actually make the tourney it wouldn't far...thus the lack of interest by the students. You brought up UVM, and since you did, UVM was also out their leading scorer... and again, the statement wasn't about UVM or what they would do in the tourney. You are right, most likely a one and done. But then again UVM doesn't have a problem getting fans into the stands.

Actually what NU does this weekend is very relevant. MC is almost guaranteed a sweep, so for BU to stay in 3rd they need to sweep NU as well. NU takes a single point and BU is playing ME not NU. Should ME beat BU in the QF's that's it for the season. For fairness sake, if BU plays NU and NU wins the QF's that's the end of the season for BU to. That said I do disagree BU needs to win HE. If they do play ME and win that QF's and maybe a semi, that would be all against TUC's and I think they have a good shot. That said, I dont believe they will sweep NU nor do I think they get past ME in the QF's.

Regardless, I was more responding to the twat that seems to think BU is tops in the country in everything. He is like a Yale fan a month ago....

Go home.

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

As of right now, the math does not agree with this. As it stands right now, winning the auto bid is not the only way in. If the tournament started today, assuming FL's source about RPI breaking ties, we are in. Too many other results left to make any definitive prediction, but it's not true to say that our only path in is the autobid at this point. Of course, this can change easily as the next two weekends play out.

Yeah, but the tournament DOESN'T start today - that's the point. Think about it...NU is not a TUC, so the only benefit in beating them is an increase in RPI. Conversely, if we lose ANY games to them, our RPI goes down. Given that it's very likely we will have to play them at least four consecutive times, what are the chances that we'll go 4-0? If we go 2-2, we're pretty much done. So figure out the rankings AFTER that, because that's all that matters. We basically have nothing to gain because we can't flip over any pairs in these games. That's why I said that realistically it is MY OPINION that we will have to advance deep into the HE tourney to get in. I don't care what the math says NOW - only what it says in two weeks!

 

[Agganis]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Yeah, but the tournament DOESN'T start today - that's the point. Think about it...NU is not a TUC, so the only benefit in beating them is an increase in RPI. Conversely, if we lose ANY games to them, our RPI goes down. Given that it's very likely we will have to play them at least four consecutive times, what are the chances that we'll go 4-0? If we go 2-2, we're pretty much done. So figure out the rankings AFTER that, because that's all that matters. We basically have nothing to gain because we can't flip over any pairs in these games. That's why I said that realistically it is MY OPINION that we will have to advance deep into the HE tourney to get in. I don't care what the math says NOW - only what it says in two weeks!

We can't figure out any math based on what BU does, because the games aren't in a vacuum. So all we know is that IF the tournament started today BU is the last team in (if no upset conference tourney wins) we also know the tournament doesn't start today. The rest of the hockey universe will unfold as it does, just root for BU to win.

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Yeah, but the tournament DOESN'T start today - that's the point. Think about it...NU is not a TUC, so the only benefit in beating them is an increase in RPI. Conversely, if we lose ANY games to them, our RPI goes down. Given that it's very likely we will have to play them at least four consecutive times, what are the chances that we'll go 4-0? If we go 2-2, we're pretty much done. So figure out the rankings AFTER that, because that's all that matters. We basically have nothing to gain because we can't flip over any pairs in these games. That's why I said that realistically it is MY OPINION that we will have to advance deep into the HE tourney to get in. I don't care what the math says NOW - only what it says in two weeks!

1) I think you severely underestimate how much an increase in RPI can help. It's still the single most important factor of the PWR. Obviously wins over TUCs help more than wins over non-TUCs, but wins over non-TUCs still help.

2) I wouldn't say it's "very likely" BU and NU will meet in the quarters. I actually think it's more likely BU plays Maine. Just looking at this weekend's series on paper, I fully expect MC to get at least one more point against PC than BU will get against NU.

3) BU can definitely flip comparisons even if they're not playing TUCs. You seem to be assuming every other bubble team is going to win all their games, which is definitely a mistake. If BU goes 5-1 with the only loss coming in the HE finals and doesn't make the NCAAs, I'll be shocked.

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

1) I think you severely underestimate how much an increase in RPI can help. It's still the single most important factor of the PWR. Obviously wins over TUCs help more than wins over non-TUCs, but wins over non-TUCs still help.

2) I wouldn't say it's "very likely" BU and NU will meet in the quarters. I actually think it's more likely BU plays Maine. Just looking at this weekend's series on paper, I fully expect MC to get at least one more point against PC than BU will get against NU.

3) BU can definitely flip comparisons even if they're not playing TUCs. You seem to be assuming every other bubble team is going to win all their games, which is definitely a mistake. If BU goes 5-1 with the only loss coming in the HE finals and doesn't make the NCAAs, I'll be shocked.

But that's what I'm saying. RPI can also HURT as much as it can help. You really think we will go 5-1 with the only loss in the HE finals? When is the last time we SWEPT a quarterfinal series? I know not in the last three years, because I have been at all the games and remember moaning each year about how we had to go back in Sunday night!

I'm not assuming anything - but don't you REALISTICALLY think that more than one loss will be the death knell as far as the PWR are concerned? You've obviously seen this team all year - what makes you think they will all of a sudden go on a five-game winning streak? I hope I'm wrong, but I frankly think it is more likely to get to the HE finals (because they can still lose ONE game this weekend and one in the quarterfinals) than it is to win five IN A ROW (especially if we have to play Maine). I would rather see us go 3-2 (split with NU and win the QF 2-1) and then win twice at the Garden, and personally I think it's not any more unlikely than winning EVERY GAME up until the finals...but yes, you're right, we can only discuss the math as it's presently constituted. Therefore, all we can really do is wait and see. But then there wouldn't be any point to this forum, would there? I just think at this juncture that the autobid is the more likely scenario. There are ALWAYS upsets in the tournaments, which means we realistically have to be about 12th to be ASSURED of getting in via PWR, and that is NOT going to happen.

 

[rewind2482]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

We can't figure out any math based on what BU does, because the games aren't in a vacuum. So all we know is that IF the tournament started today BU is the last team in (if no upset conference tourney wins) we also know the tournament doesn't start today. The rest of the hockey universe will unfold as it does, just root for BU to win.

Simply, this.

Or, complicatedly, : http://www.slack.net/~whelan/tbrw/tbrw.cgi?2011/rankings.diy.shtml
Use actual math instead of vague understandings to back up arguments. <a href="http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?92167-Too-early-for-the-PWR-Princeton-and-Brown-say-no!&p=5055782&viewfull=1#post5055782">This post</a> has a script for the CCHA and ECAC playoffs for at least some other input from the hockey universe.

Did a little playing around with it, but in a nutshell, so. much can go wrong even if we win this weekend. But conversely, things are far from over even if we lose this weekend.

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

One other thing, FL (not to be a jerk). You said that you fully expect MC to get "one more point" against PC than we get against NU - but then you say you think we can go 5 - 1 with the only loss in the HE finals? Well, which is it? If we go 5 -1 we finish 3rd (or 2nd if BC gets swept by UNH).

All I'm saying is that we don't know WHAT is going to happen, but it's fun to discuss it. I just think the chances are better to get the autobid, you think that it's equally likely we can get in via PWR. Only time will tell. I just don't like playing that first game AT Matthews, because if we go down, it really makes for a dim scenario.

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Hmm, I went to a game earlier this year at Matthews with a buddy and they didn't let him in because he had a backpack with him. He offered to let them look through it, but I think it must be a new policy as of this season. I'm not a student anymore, but I never remembered that being the case in prior years. Luckily he stowed it in another friend's car, but you might want to leave the bag at work if you can rather than deal with the inconvenience at the arena.

Crap. Thanks for answering though! Much appreciated.

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

One other thing, FL (not to be a jerk). You said that you fully expect MC to get "one more point" against PC than we get against NU - but then you say you think we can go 5 - 1 with the only loss in the HE finals? Well, which is it? If we go 5 -1 we finish 3rd (or 2nd if BC gets swept by UNH).

All I'm saying is that we don't know WHAT is going to happen, but it's fun to discuss it. I just think the chances are better to get the autobid, you think that it's equally likely we can get in via PWR. Only time will tell. I just don't like playing that first game AT Matthews, because if we go down, it really makes for a dim scenario.

I don't think BU's going to sweep NU. On the blog, I predicted BU to take 3 of 4 and MC to sweep PC. I mentioned the 5-1 finish simply to counter your point that BU had to win HE to get in. I was pointing out that going 5-0 and losing in the championship would almost certainly get them in.

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

I don't think BU's going to sweep NU. On the blog, I predicted BU to take 3 of 4 and MC to sweep PC. I mentioned the 5-1 finish simply to counter your point that BU had to win HE to get in. I was pointing out that going 5-0 and losing in the championship would almost certainly get them in.

How's Warsofsky?

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

How's Warsofsky?

Out Friday, doubtful for Saturday

 

[BU Hammer]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

How's Warsofsky?

Just posted an update on the blog. Link in the signature.

 

[mpereira]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Just posted an update on the blog. Link in the signature.

Too bad but sounds like he sould be back for the HE tourny but I guess nothing is certain with concussion injuries

 

[felizmiguel]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Too bad but sounds like he sould be back for the HE tourny but I guess nothing is certain with concussion injuries

I don't care how long it is as long as he recovers fully. Head injuries are about as scary as it gets. I'd rather he sat out the rest of the season that came back early. Savard's example is enough of a cautionary tale on concussions.

 

[DaveStPaul]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

You guys haven't instituted any additional security measures at Matthews, have you? The last two Friday night games BU had had there I've gone straight from work and I had my bag with me (you know, shoes, book, lunch bag - stuff in addition to my purse) and I've gotten it in no problem. I'm hoping that I don't have one this time.

I'll watch your shoes for you. Especially if they're a size 10 1/2.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

1) I think you severely underestimate how much an increase in RPI can help. It's still the single most important factor of the PWR. Obviously wins over TUCs help more than wins over non-TUCs, but wins over non-TUCs still help...

the two teams bu needs to pass (#13 rpi and #14 cc), bu is already winning the rpi point but losing all the other comparisons. the next two teams (t11 uhn & umd) are playing highly ranked teams this weekend (h/a with bc, h/h with uno) which will help their rpi, making it tougher to catch them.

 

[dmjossel]

Re: Boston University vs Northeastern 3/4 and 5

Hmm, I went to a game earlier this year at Matthews with a buddy and they didn't let him in because he had a backpack with him. He offered to let them look through it, but I think it must be a new policy as of this season. I'm not a student anymore, but I never remembered that being the case in prior years. Luckily he stowed it in another friend's car, but you might want to leave the bag at work if you can rather than deal with the inconvenience at the arena.

I had this same exact problem earlier this season. Rink personnel and detail officer pretty much acted like I was nuts for not knowing about it, but I hadn't been to a game at Matthews in years.

http://narcogen.com/blog/usa/boston/01/31/2011/contempt_cop