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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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J.D. said:
A couple things here...

You don't think it's possible that Warsofsky could have rebounded from a disappointing season? Even so, his offense from the backline absolutely will be missed. BU's PP was bad enough WITH someone as skilled as him.

As for BC and early departures, I would expect Atkinson and Jimmy Hayes to leave. Dumoulin said he is coming back and I think it would be best if Kreider/Cross returned. Still, losing Gibbons, Muse, Whitney, Atkinson and J. Hayes will be tough to replace in one year.

Comparing Coach K to York? Bleh...there's just something about K I don't like ;)
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I dont think so on Warso, remember he was sat atleast once during the season, no love lost there. I like Clendening at the point he will be fine. When the PP stinks that much he wasnt helping it anyway.

Its probably Coach K's face that you dont like not his program/results, he looks like a rodent.

I think you are being pessimistic about the departures I think all will be back for BC.
 
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chickod said:
I didn't see that...where was the post(article)? So I don't know if it was just about BU, but I can tell you that the semifinals of that tourney were two of the best games back to back I have ever seen. In the first game, UNH beat Cornell (I think it was 10-9) on a Bobby Gould slapper in the 2nd overtime. Then, we were down 5-3 to Clarkson before scoring three in the last five minutes (I think the winner was Silk). And, of course, the building was SHAKING....this was the old Gahden without the acoustical ceilings and all that nonsense. One of the loudest crowds I have ever heard...I can still remember shaking during those games!!
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Bantams post #640. Silks blasted a slapper from just inside the blue line. Dave Taylor had a 100 pts that year for Clarkson, and there were a couple more studs upfront maybe Bantam could remember those names. I think their goalie was Shields.
 
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Federal League said:
I'd be shocked if Atkinson and J Hayes returned.
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If Atkinson has half the tournament that Gerbe had in '08 his stock will never be higher...Hayes, in my opinion, has a slightly better chance a returning, he would get to be with his brother for another year and he would finally be the star of the team....we will see
 
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Federal League said:
I'd be shocked if Atkinson and J Hayes returned.
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Every year they would say Boyle is going to leave and I believe he stayed 4 yrs. Its a little more inviting to stay around a program that is dominating versing in a rebuilding mode. Gerbe left early but I think he struggled academically.
 
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Jofa said:
I dont think so on Warso, remember he was sat atleast once during the season, no love lost there. I like Clendening at the point he will be fine. When the PP stinks that much he wasnt helping it anyway.
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Do you see him developing/improving now that he's leaving BU? Or are you just not a believer in this particular player?

jamie9248922 said:
If Atkinson has half the tournament that Gerbe had in '08 his stock will never be higher...Hayes, in my opinion, has a slightly better chance a returning, he would get to be with his brother for another year and he would finally be the star of the team....we will see
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I actually don't think Cam's stock can get any higher considering he's done growing and what he's done the last two years. Keep in mind both his linemates are graduating. This is one case where I say he SHOULD go. Nothing else to accomplish at this level.
 
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J.D. said:
Do you see him developing/improving now that he's leaving BU? Or are you just not a believer in this particular player?
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Not really, he can skate and dangle and cna shoot the puck but he is smallish, not a smart player and has no defensive skills. I dont see how he could ever play D in the NHL.
 
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Jofa said:
Not really, he can skate and dangle and cna shoot the puck but he is smallish, not a smart player and has no defensive skills. I dont see how he could ever play D in the NHL.
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Think he might be tried out on O at some point then? Did Parker try that his freshman yr? I'm blanking for some reason
 
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BigRedTerrier said:
Think he might be tried out on O at some point then? Did Parker try that his freshman yr? I'm blanking for some reason
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He did play F as a freshman and scored there.. He is a D. To say he is not a smart player is wrong. NHL has his hockey sense and IQ at very high/elite level.

Hayes and Atkinson are 100% gone.
 
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BigRedTerrier said:
Think he might be tried out on O at some point then? Did Parker try that his freshman yr? I'm blanking for some reason
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Not freshman year, but last year for a couple games. He looked really out of position and unsure of himself. You never say never, but I'd be pretty surprised if the B's tried him at forward. He has the potential to be a very good defenseman. Jofa's assessment that he is "not a smart player and has no defensive skills" really couldn't be any further from the truth. There are plenty of NHL defensemen who don't have Warsofsky's hockey IQ or skill at both ends of the rink. Warsofsky's biggest obstacle is definitely his size. Everything else is there, or at least has the potential to be there.

And for the record, I completely agree with Parker's assessment that Warsofsky needed to be challenged more and seemed to think everything was gonna come easy this season. I also agree with the posters who have said it's on Parker for not being able to get him to change that mindset. I don't think Warsofsky's struggles had anything to do with his skill set or hockey IQ. It was all mental in my opinion. Very similar to what happened with Shattenkirk last season.
 
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Something to remember here and this is not specific to Warso is that if you play for a mediocre team a lot of times your play goes down with it. Ryan Whitney is a good BU example of that. When Skladany, McConnell and Sabo are the guys you're counting on to score goals, an offensive defenseman like him is screwed. The whole way BU's power play functioned this year was God awful. I've never seen a team put two guys behind the net on a 5 on 3. That kinda negates the 2 man advantage and their poorly designed PP probably cost a lot of players on the team some points.

Agreed with the points about motivation. You see a kid playing half way all year and just say "oh well"? God help us.
 
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FL, not commenting on Warsofsky in general here, but rather specifically to last year...

In the games I saw, he did make a good amount of bad decisions with and without the puck. Perhaps he was overthinking/trying to do too much.
 
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J.D. said:
FL, not commenting on Warsofsky in general here, but rather specifically to last year...

In the games I saw, he did make a good amount of bad decisions with and without the puck. Perhaps he was overthinking/trying to do too much.
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I agree with this. His problems this past year was decision-making and the mental aspect of the game for sure. I think his Hobey-hype before the season started put some added pressure on him to be that type of player that he simply wasn't this year. This does fall on the coaching staff to keep the kid motivated though. We're not talking about a young freshman or sophomore but one of the captains. He needed to be all in this season for the team to live up to their potential and simply wasn't.
 
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mpereira said:
This does fall on the coaching staff to keep the kid motivated though. We're not talking about a young freshman or sophomore but one of the captains. He needed to be all in this season for the team to live up to their potential and simply wasn't.
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One of the captians.... good point. What should the coaching staff do if one of the CAPTIANS needs to be motivated and how do they motivate an unmotivated captian? At least from what we know on the outside benching, and man to man talks about needing more out of him didn't seem to do it. Or was in not motivation? Was it confidence? Concentration? Metal ability?
 
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ericredaxe said:
It's interesting how all of us read into it based on our already establised positions. (And I dont mean this as an attack).

I read it and thought "yup. Jack is spot on there."

Did you think there was something inaccurate about what he said?
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The below answers the above perfectly.

Brian Gentry said:
The problem is that is was accurate. Parker was spot on there.

Parker is the person who was supposed to be "challenging" him. If Parker was keen enough to notice this early in the season, he needed to do more about it. If Warsofsky was "one leg out the door" it is Parker's job to do something about it. I know some would say that is solely Warsofsky's problem and Parker can't fix everybody, but we have seen this time and time again the last decade; players just dogging it and getting through the season. I have never heard of a York coached player not being challenged or one step out the door. He seems to get the most out of his players.
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

ericredaxe said:
One of the captians.... good point. What should the coaching staff do if one of the CAPTIANS needs to be motivated and how do they motivate an unmotivated captian? At least from what we know on the outside benching, and man to man talks about needing more out of him didn't seem to do it. Or was in not motivation? Was it confidence? Concentration? Metal ability?
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If the staff realizes this early enough they cound strip the captaincy. I'm not saying that would fix the problem, or that Warso deserved that treatment, but it is an option, especially if you think a guy had checked out early on and doesn't respond to your motivational attempts.

Or go to one of the AC's and put it on them to step up and take a larger role.
 
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Federal League said:
. He looked really out of position and unsure of himself. Jofa's assessment that he is "not a smart player and has no defensive skills" really couldn't be any further from the truth. I don't think Warsofsky's struggles had anything to do with his skill set or hockey IQ. It was all mental in my opinion. Very similar to what happened with Shattenkirk last season.
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When you are out of position you are not playing good defense, ok he has the skill but it doesnt matter because he was out of position. Mental mistakes=not smart on the ice regardless of what your "IQ" is. Alot of parsing of words there.
 
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