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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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No offense, but this is a useless statistic. If a team is good at drawing power plays and capitalizing on them, this stat and 50 cents gets the Bruins a newspaper and nothing else. Do you truly believe the B's are a Stanley Cup contender?

Besides Vancouver's out of this world special teams goal differential per game of .42 the best is .19. In a 7 game playoff series that wouldn't even account for 2 total goals.

That doesn't make the Bruins differential of zero any more impressive though.:p
 
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No offense, but this is a useless statistic. If a team is good at drawing power plays and capitalizing on them, this stat and 50 cents gets the Bruins a newspaper and nothing else. Do you truly believe the B's are a Stanley Cup contender?
I'm not entirely sure I follow your logic as to why it's a useless statistic. The other teams in the Top 4 are PHI, CHI and DET, all strong clubs. Last year's Top-5 was WSH, CHI, VAN, PIT and SJS. If you're scoring goals at even-strength, you're going to win more games than you lose. Even-strength scoring is a better signal of true talent than special teams because of the level playing field.

To answer your question, Boston has to be considered a "contender" but I wouldn't pick them to win because of the way they bleed shots. You can't give up 33.2/game and win on a regular basis (unless you have Tim Thomas putting forth one of the best goaltending seasons of all-time). But I don't see how adding a 5'9 defenseman helps that situation next year.

And, let me be clear, for a variety of reasons there may be no player anywhere that I'm rooting harder for to succeed at the NHL level than David Warsofsky. I'm just acknowledging that the odds are slanted heavily against him.
 
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I'm not entirely sure I follow your logic as to why it's a useless statistic. The other teams in the Top 4 are PHI, CHI and DET, all strong clubs. Last year's Top-5 was WSH, CHI, VAN, PIT and SJS. If you're scoring goals at even-strength, you're going to win more games than you lose. Even-strength scoring is a better signal of true talent than special teams because of the level playing field.

To answer your question, Boston has to be considered a "contender" but I wouldn't pick them to win because of the way they bleed shots. You can't give up 33.2/game and win on a regular basis (unless you have Tim Thomas putting forth one of the best goaltending seasons of all-time). But I don't see how adding a 5'9 defenseman helps that situation next year.

And, let me be clear, for a variety of reasons there may be no player anywhere that I'm rooting harder for to succeed at the NHL level than David Warsofsky. I'm just acknowledging that the odds are slanted heavily against him.

Its a useless statistic because the Bruins have no chance of winning the Stanley Cup this year. Finding one thing they do well (scoring on 5 on 5 play, which in of itself doesn't factor in giving up goals on 5 x 5 play for example) doesn't make their chances any more legitimate. Regardless this is a side discussion which has gotten away from the point which was Warsofsky fitting into their defense.

The question of how much Warsofsky helps the Bruins becomes a contender is too broad. Simply put, the question is whether or not Warsofsky is better than all but 5 guys who are in camp next year trying to make the B's roster. Obviously he's not beating out Chara nor Kaberle but really, what is his competition for landing the #5 or #6 slot? I don't see the B's bringing in Lindstrom or coaxing Bourque out of retirement, so most likely he'll be competing against some veteran scrub who's making more money than him - a big no/no in the eyes of B's ownership. My guess on Warsofsky is that he'll be given a real chance to earn a spot, which is something I think he can do. Now to the larger question of whether he has a stellar 15 year career in the pros, the odds are against him as they're against most players in that regard, maybe even more so for him. But, as to why he jumped, why not? When is he ever going to be in a better situation than the here and now to compete for an NHL roster spot on a team lacking in defenseman. He's not trying to crack the lineup in the 80's Edmonton Oilers. Will he help the Bruins? Frankly I think nothing but total roster overhaul will help the Bruins so I think its a little unfair to judge him by that standard.
 
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Its a useless statistic because the Bruins have no chance of winning the Stanley Cup this year. Finding one thing they do well (scoring on 5 on 5 play, which in of itself doesn't factor in giving up goals on 5 x 5 play for example) doesn't make their chances any more legitimate. Regardless this is a side discussion which has gotten away from the point which was Warsofsky fitting into their defense.

The question of how much Warsofsky helps the Bruins becomes a contender is too broad. Simply put, the question is whether or not Warsofsky is better than all but 5 guys who are in camp next year trying to make the B's roster. Obviously he's not beating out Chara nor Kaberle but really, what is his competition for landing the #5 or #6 slot? I don't see the B's bringing in Lindstrom or coaxing Bourque out of retirement, so most likely he'll be competing against some veteran scrub who's making more money than him - a big no/no in the eyes of B's ownership. My guess on Warsofsky is that he'll be given a real chance to earn a spot, which is something I think he can do. Now to the larger question of whether he has a stellar 15 year career in the pros, the odds are against him as they're against most players in that regard, maybe even more so for him. But, as to why he jumped, why not? When is he ever going to be in a better situation than the here and now to compete for an NHL roster spot on a team lacking in defenseman. He's not trying to crack the lineup in the 80's Edmonton Oilers. Will he help the Bruins? Frankly I think nothing but total roster overhaul will help the Bruins so I think its a little unfair to judge him by that standard.

If you look at the standings, yes, the Bruins are a cup contender. That being said, I'm with you in that I'll be shocked if they actually win it. I just want them to get past the 2nd round first.

As for Warsofsky, if you're going off of how he played this year--especially in his own end--I don't think there's many people on here who would say he'll make the Bruins lineup out of camp next year. You can knock the B's defense all you want, doesn't bother me, but here are the guys under contract for next year:

Chara
Seidenberg
Ference
Boychuk
McQuaid
Kampfer

Kaberle is a UFA. If they sign him, Warsofsky has little chance to make the roster IMO. Like I said, you might not like the guys listed, but the coach/GM apparently do.
 
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Like I said, you might not like the guys listed, but the coach/GM apparently do.

I'm not sure either of these guys will be around next year frankly, especially if they spit the bit in the playoffs yet again.

Having said that, of the guys you listed who's untouchable? Chara obviously and I'll go along with your point that Kaberle signing hurts from Warso's perspective. They seem to like Ference for whatever reason. The rest of those guys? I wouldn't say any of them have their spots locked down and I'm not aware of any hotshot prospects that they have playing down on Providence. Getting back to the original question of why the B's would want him in camp and why he'd leave BU to go after a so so year, my answer is that I'm not sure he's ever going to get a better chance than now.
 
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"official reprimand"?!? Wowza!

just heard this too, is there anything official?

JD - word is that Parker and Cronin were officially reprimanded by HE for their post-game spat after game 3 of the quarters
 
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Chara
Seidenberg
Ference
Boychuk
McQuaid
Kampfer

Kaberle is a UFA. If they sign him, Warsofsky has little chance to make the roster IMO. Like I said, you might not like the guys listed, but the coach/GM apparently do.

Personally, I'd put Warsofsky behind all 7 of those guys. Does he have the potential to be better than a couple of them (namely Boychuk and Kampfer)? Yes. But is he better than them right now? Not in my opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if Warsofsky gets called up at some point next year if someone struggles or gets injured, but I would definitely be surprised if he makes the team out of the gates. As for other prospects, Matt Bartkowski and Yury Alexandrov (and Colby to a lesser extent) are his biggest competition. I haven't seen much of either of them this season, though, so I'm not sure how good they've looked or how close they are to being NHL-ready. Alexandrov was a second-round pick, though, so he's definitely expected to contribute at some point.
 
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I'm not sure either of these guys will be around next year frankly, especially if they spit the bit in the playoffs yet again.

Having said that, of the guys you listed who's untouchable? Chara obviously and I'll go along with your point that Kaberle signing hurts from Warso's perspective. They seem to like Ference for whatever reason. The rest of those guys? I wouldn't say any of them have their spots locked down and I'm not aware of any hotshot prospects that they have playing down on Providence. Getting back to the original question of why the B's would want him in camp and why he'd leave BU to go after a so so year, my answer is that I'm not sure he's ever going to get a better chance than now.

Valid point that it's possible Julien, Chiarelli or both could be gone depending on what happens in the playoffs. If that were to happen--who knows about Warsofsky. I was just assuming that both would be back for the purpose of this discussion. That assumption has to be taken into consideration when answering your question about who's untouchable. My answer would be Chara because of the contract and nobody after that. Problem is, if Julien/Chiarelli are both back...they aren't exactly the most outside the box thinkers. He'll definitely get a chance, but even if he impresses, I still see him starting in Providence.

JD - word is that Parker and Cronin were officially reprimanded by HE for their post-game spat after game 3 of the quarters

Not sure what Parker's being reprimanded for...the actions of Clendening? What does "officially reprimanded" even mean?
 
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BTW, I thought you'd all like to know that hokydad posted in the UML recruiting thread that he "knew for sometime" that "DW" was leaving.
 
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Wow, what a waste of paper. I can honestly picture both coaches crumpling it up and tossing it in the trash.
 
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I thought something more would come of that...but seriously??? A memo??

This is like Charlie Rangel's censuring..."ok boys...don't do that again!"
 
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FL, nice write ups on BHB for first two forward lines. Now that Warsofsky is officially gone, hmmm, when will the next one(s) be happening? Any inside info? Thanks
 
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FL, nice write ups on BHB for first two forward lines. Now that Warsofsky is officially gone, hmmm, when will the next one(s) be happening? Any inside info? Thanks

The next signing or next set of grades? Next set of grades will be up Sunday. I honestly don't expect any more early departures, but we'll see. We're talking to Parker today, so we should have lots of good stuff after that. Season review feature will run next week and we'll probably have some sort of notebook on the blog before then.
 
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Are you hearing anything on Chiasson?

DO not believe anyone else is actively looking to leave. Could something happen that a couple of guys may reconsider, yes, but more likely they will stay then leave.
 
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A nice article about 2012 recruit, Robert Polesello in THN

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/39275-Prospect-Watch-Robert-Polesello.html

THN said:
If everything goes right for center Robert Polesello, he’ll be a long way from home next year.

Polesello just completed his season with the Ontario Jr. A League’s Vaughan Vipers and is now looking ahead to next season, when if all goes according to plan, he’ll suit up in the United States League for the Indiana Ice. From there, the 5-foot-7, 160-pound puck wizard will make his way to Boston University to play for the Terriers. So why BU?

“Everything is good there,” Polesello said. “The facilities are amazing and the coaches made me feel really comfortable.”
 
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Thanks very much to you folks sharing the stories from the 70s. It's amazing to think I have (semi-)direct access to people who were at those games.

I wonder what an internet chat room would have been like after some of those tussles (esp the '76 Minnesota slugfest) . . .

Our pleasure. BU from 1965 to 1978 was like BC is now. I will give you a couple of other memories that stick out for me:
(1) Dec. 1965: Boston Arena Holiday Tournament at the old Boston Arena (pre-Mathews do-over)
BU vs Michigan Tech in championship game. BU had 3 All Americans - Jack Ferriera in ghoal, Fred "The Bear" Bassi and Tom Ross. MT had Tony Esposito in goal and a host of Canadians to beat the band. They were the best team in the country by far and defending nat'l champions. Parker was a soph centering the 3rd line. BU lead 2-1 in the 3rd before MT put it into another gear and won 5-2. That was my very first college hockey game.

(2) Feb 1966: BU vs BC in my first Beanpot. The old-old garden when attendance # was 13,909. Back then BC fans outnumbered BU fans 3-1. Unlike today BU students never came out to the games. York is junior on that team and BC jumps to 3-0 lead. Middle of 2nd period, BC is bombarding Jack Ferriera and Jack takes one on the mask and flops like he's been shot. Timeout for 5 minutes. When he takes off his mask, Jack has a blackeye forming, but he goes back in goal and BU storms back to win 6-4 for 1st win over BC in Beanpot in years. BU then stomps Harvard 9-2 in championship game in the famous brawl when Tom Ross practically knocks out Tag Dement with one punch (yes college hockey allowed fighting back then).

(3) Dec 1966 BU Boston Arena Holiday tournament:
BU vs Cornell. This was Ken Dryden's debut in Boston as a sophomore. The old Arena configuration had the 1st row of the balcony in the near end zone literally right on top of the goal. We were in 1st row right on top of Dryden for 2 periods. It was a classic slugfest (no fighting) that goes back and forth; 1st with Cornell up 1-0, then BU taking the lead 2-1. Cornell then counter punched to lead 3-2 midway thru the 3rd. With 5 minutes left, BU gets 1 then a 2nd penalty. Cornell was content to just dump the puck to try and milk the clock when after a dump in, Cornell went for a line change and BU sophomore D-man Darell Abbott brings the puck up solo and ends up 1 on the 2 Cornell D-man. As he crosses the Blueline, the near D-man checked to see who was on his right, stumbles when he sees there is no other Terrier advancing (its only his other D-man). Abbott bursts around the d-man and roofs it nearside over Dryden's shoulder to tie the score. The old Boston Arena exploded.

The game goes double OT. I still remember the PA saying that the last Huntington Ave trolley would be leaving in 10 minutes at midnight ... and no one moved. They called the game after the 2nd OT. Still the best college game I ever saw. BU went undefeated in ECAC play, but of course lost to Cornell in the ECAC final and NCAA final.

(4) March 1977: ECAC Semifinals BU vs #1 in the country Clarkson at the old Garden (Still 13,909). Jerry York vs Jack Parker for 1st time in playoffs since their years playing at BC/BU. Clarkson had Tim Taylor who scored 100 points that season. BU had Ricky Meagher, Dave Silk and Mike Erurzione on the same line that year. Clarkson controlled the game leading 6-4 late int he 3rd when Ricky, Silk and Mikey took over. they scored with 3:30 to go then tied it at 6 with a minute to go and won it with 30 seconds later on a left wing blast by Silk. Erurzione did one of those dancing jigs like he did in the 1980 win over Russia when he scored and all the players mobbed Silk. It was so sudden and so stunning, Clarkson didn't know what hit them. The Clarkson players at the final horn were so deflated they just stood around watching the BU player celebration as they absolutely mobbed each other. Fans were doing Irish jigs in their seats we were all so giddy and stunned. And of course Parker was elated that his boys did it against his rival "Jehrwee". BU then went on to win the ECAC's the next night over UNH 8-6. A lot of scoring in those years.

I still say Ricky Meagher is the best college player I've ever seen. Paul Kariya only played one year, but they were the same type players. Silk was a scoring machine, but Ricky as both play-maker and scorer was simply one of kind. Someone already referenced the goal he scored in the 1974 NCAA FF semifinal vs Minny when he went the length of the rink to score. That was a regular occurrence. He was small like Kariya, but he skated with such authority and with such amazing vision.

As was said before, those teams from 1974 thru 1978 were so loaded with talent, its still amazing to me they only won that one title in 1978, and only after getting a reprieve by the NCAA after losing in the ECAC tourney to Providence. I believe that if Jack Kelly had stayed a few more years after the back to back titles in 71-72 that they would have won a few more. Parker did a great job, but even with the Leon Abbott debacle in 1972-73, BU was one clearly one of the top 3-4 programs in the country back then, so he inherited a juggernut.

Yes those were the days for BU hockey ... and these are not.;)
 
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