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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
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BUTerrierfan
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
I agree with Rover, Warsofsky wanted to go, it showed in his play, sort of like Shattenkrik last season, you just KNEW... I think Chaisson will leave soon, Millan MIGHT if he sees another high volume of shots anticipated next year. Lastly, I think Coyle may be the sleeper to leave, depending on how SJ would use him. If not going now, he will go to their summer camp and depending on how he does and who else is in the mix, be could bail and sign with them during the summer break. Anyhow, this should be interesting to watch play out.
I agree with Rover, Warsofsky wanted to go, it showed in his play, sort of like Shattenkrik last season, you just KNEW... I think Chaisson will leave soon, Millan MIGHT if he sees another high volume of shots anticipated next year. Lastly, I think Coyle may be the sleeper to leave, depending on how SJ would use him. If not going now, he will go to their summer camp and depending on how he does and who else is in the mix, be could bail and sign with them during the summer break. Anyhow, this should be interesting to watch play out.
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I was kidding about Warsofsky being the #3 defenseman on the B's coming in. Stop being so literal. However on a team like the B's he can easily make the top 6 with his talent level as the competition for a spot isn't that great on that team especially if Kaberle bolts.
Are we talking the same Bobby Allen who got schooled on the game winning goal in the national championship in Providence vs North Dakota? The guy was overrated and when the B's called him up I remember thinking (and this was before I disowned the team) what can they possibly see in this guy, he's not that good. Time has proven that assessment to be correct.
I was kidding about Warsofsky being the #3 defenseman on the B's coming in. Stop being so literal. However on a team like the B's he can easily make the top 6 with his talent level as the competition for a spot isn't that great on that team especially if Kaberle bolts.
Are we talking the same Bobby Allen who got schooled on the game winning goal in the national championship in Providence vs North Dakota? The guy was overrated and when the B's called him up I remember thinking (and this was before I disowned the team) what can they possibly see in this guy, he's not that good. Time has proven that assessment to be correct.
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Still disagree. At his size, he would be the smallest d-man in the league. It's not a sure thing he makes it IMO. He might, but I don't think it's a certainty.
*Waits for hokydad to assure me that he'll make it*
There have been plenty of great college players who didn't make it in the NHL. Using your original logic though, I guess whoever it was that Kreider schooled in last year's Beanpot can never be considered a good/great player.
Still disagree. At his size, he would be the smallest d-man in the league. It's not a sure thing he makes it IMO. He might, but I don't think it's a certainty.
*Waits for hokydad to assure me that he'll make it*
There have been plenty of great college players who didn't make it in the NHL. Using your original logic though, I guess whoever it was that Kreider schooled in last year's Beanpot can never be considered a good/great player.
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Scuderi was a lot more than ok. Same reason that he gets similar points in NHL and signs long term, great money deals. He plays the game right in all 3 zones and doesnt run around like an idiot. You cant win without players like him. There isnt a coach in the NHL that would take any of the BU d over him, including Gilroy
I can't speak to the 87 BC team because that was before my time, but I'd put BU in 09 over BC in 00. Gilroy was slightly better than Mottau and while I'd take Orpik next Bobby Allen wasn't that good of a player and Scuderi was okay but I'd rather have Gryba and Shatty out there. Now if you want to penalize BU extra for Colby Cohen's defense maybe I can go along with that....
Scuderi was a lot more than ok. Same reason that he gets similar points in NHL and signs long term, great money deals. He plays the game right in all 3 zones and doesnt run around like an idiot. You cant win without players like him. There isnt a coach in the NHL that would take any of the BU d over him, including Gilroy
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Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
You're summing up his collegiate career based upon one play?
You're summing up his collegiate career based upon one play?
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Not sure I'd use the word "interesting." This team could be completely decimated by next season.
Not sure I'd use the word "interesting." This team could be completely decimated by next season.
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Are you and JD drinking the same water? No, I'm basing it having seem him play multiple times during his career as not only did I attend every BC game at BU over that time as well as every Beanpot or HE tourny game that involved BU, I also caught several games up at the Heights not to mention the Frozen Fours that BC was in at the time, etc. Need I go on? I probably watched that BC team play approx 30 games over that time and based on that Bobby Allen wasn't a good defensemen. This has nothing to do with his lack of accomplishments in the pros either, although I'm not surprised by that either.
Hokydad, I'm assuming you've polled all the NHL coaches for us. If so would you mind posting individual quotes for us so maybe we can get a better feel for their assessment of the specific question of Scuderi vs Gilroy?
Are you and JD drinking the same water? No, I'm basing it having seem him play multiple times during his career as not only did I attend every BC game at BU over that time as well as every Beanpot or HE tourny game that involved BU, I also caught several games up at the Heights not to mention the Frozen Fours that BC was in at the time, etc. Need I go on? I probably watched that BC team play approx 30 games over that time and based on that Bobby Allen wasn't a good defensemen. This has nothing to do with his lack of accomplishments in the pros either, although I'm not surprised by that either.
Hokydad, I'm assuming you've polled all the NHL coaches for us. If so would you mind posting individual quotes for us so maybe we can get a better feel for their assessment of the specific question of Scuderi vs Gilroy?
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No, you don't have to go on. I'm willing to bet I saw a lot more BC games than you did during his time at BC--that alone doesn't mean much. We just view him differently and I happen to think he was a lot better than you're giving him credit for. Whatever.
Please...no. This will probably lead to something about Malcolm Lyles being better than both of them.
No, you don't have to go on. I'm willing to bet I saw a lot more BC games than you did during his time at BC--that alone doesn't mean much. We just view him differently and I happen to think he was a lot better than you're giving him credit for. Whatever.
Please...no. This will probably lead to something about Malcolm Lyles being better than both of them.
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Right. The consensus is that he has regressed. If the Wings think so, maybe they want to take their chances and have play in the AHL.
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Just asking but is that likely? It seems if he can't handle college play, I'm not sure he's ready for the AHL. I guess if the Red Wings thought the problem was with the team (ala Ryan Whitney who's teammates couldn't score on an empty net) it would be a good move to get him in a different situation. I personally didn't think the team's style of play had anything to do with this regression though. Seems he needs to get his head out of his rear end a bit more when he's on the ice. I do think he has good potential though. But, I've been surprised before. Joe DiPenta was the worst D man I've ever seen at BU not named "Morrow" and he stuck in the NHL so who knows.
Just asking but is that likely? It seems if he can't handle college play, I'm not sure he's ready for the AHL. I guess if the Red Wings thought the problem was with the team (ala Ryan Whitney who's teammates couldn't score on an empty net) it would be a good move to get him in a different situation. I personally didn't think the team's style of play had anything to do with this regression though. Seems he needs to get his head out of his rear end a bit more when he's on the ice. I do think he has good potential though. But, I've been surprised before. Joe DiPenta was the worst D man I've ever seen at BU not named "Morrow" and he stuck in the NHL so who knows.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
[Millan MIGHT if he sees another high volume of shots anticipated next year.
Milan is staying..... he is not looking to go anywhere. Could someone convince him to change his mind I guess, but he should be back barring something unforeseen.
[Millan MIGHT if he sees another high volume of shots anticipated next year.
Milan is staying..... he is not looking to go anywhere. Could someone convince him to change his mind I guess, but he should be back barring something unforeseen.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
The four of those six that have played more than 20 NHL games this year have done so for somewhat middling teams (TOR, FLA, MIN, NSH). Expecting a player straight out of college at that size to step in for a contender seems overly optimistic to me.
Lee Sweatt (3gp) seems like an intriguing comparable, because of size, pedigree and college production. He was able to crack the Vancouver lineup for three games but it took a rash of Canucks injuries, and a number of years playing in Europe, for that to happen.
I believe expectations have to be significantly redefined because of his size. He's (generously?) listed on the BU website at 5'9. There are only six defensemen that have played in the NHL this year at that height.
The four of those six that have played more than 20 NHL games this year have done so for somewhat middling teams (TOR, FLA, MIN, NSH). Expecting a player straight out of college at that size to step in for a contender seems overly optimistic to me.
Lee Sweatt (3gp) seems like an intriguing comparable, because of size, pedigree and college production. He was able to crack the Vancouver lineup for three games but it took a rash of Canucks injuries, and a number of years playing in Europe, for that to happen.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
This was pretty much my point. I don't have the exact measurements, but my eyes tell me he would be THE smallest d-man in the league. It's even harder for small d-men to make it compared to small forwards and it still took Gerbe a couple years to finally crack the Sabres lineup this year.
This was pretty much my point. I don't have the exact measurements, but my eyes tell me he would be THE smallest d-man in the league. It's even harder for small d-men to make it compared to small forwards and it still took Gerbe a couple years to finally crack the Sabres lineup this year.
Re: Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?
Are you hearing anything on Chiasson?
Are you hearing anything on Chiasson?
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I think you're giving the Bruins a little too much credit. They're a "contender" thanks to one person, goalie Tim Thomas. Take him off the team and they fit the "somewhat middling" definition that you wrote. No doubt in a different situation on a different team, Warsofsky could be SOL. However, the B's defense sucks. A talented player can easily crack the top 6, especially since that particular team will not want to invest significant dollars in the 4, 5, and 6 positions.
I think you're giving the Bruins a little too much credit. They're a "contender" thanks to one person, goalie Tim Thomas. Take him off the team and they fit the "somewhat middling" definition that you wrote. No doubt in a different situation on a different team, Warsofsky could be SOL. However, the B's defense sucks. A talented player can easily crack the top 6, especially since that particular team will not want to invest significant dollars in the 4, 5, and 6 positions.
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Gerbe is the shortest player to appear in the league, at 5'5. There have been five forwards at 5'7 (ironically, two are also from BC: the Giontas), five at 5'8, and 14 at 5'9.
The only defenseman in the NHL this year listed shorter than 5'9 in Nashville's Francis Bouillon at 5'8.
Gerbe is the shortest player to appear in the league, at 5'5. There have been five forwards at 5'7 (ironically, two are also from BC: the Giontas), five at 5'8, and 14 at 5'9.
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I don't think you're giving them enough credit. Nobody in the NHL has scored more goals at 5-on-5 this year than Boston's 157.
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No offense, but this is a useless statistic. If a team is good at drawing power plays and capitalizing on them, this stat and 50 cents gets the Bruins a newspaper and nothing else. Do you truly believe the B's are a Stanley Cup contender?
No offense, but this is a useless statistic. If a team is good at drawing power plays and capitalizing on them, this stat and 50 cents gets the Bruins a newspaper and nothing else. Do you truly believe the B's are a Stanley Cup contender?
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