Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

[chickod]

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sorry for paying attention to see if my team was still in contention. they didn't deserve an ncaa bid one bit, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give up on them. gfy. glad I wasn't sitting next to you in DC with one minute to go. though I likely would've had an empty seat next to me to put my coat on for the final minute.

You know, it's not that...it's just that I'm not sure that all of these "scenarios" were even possible. Just think about this for a minute. There's only one problem with the "all of these teams have to lose theory." Since we are now in single elimination, if they DO lose, they can't lose any more games (because they won't be playing anymore). So if losing didn't put them behind us, how can we catch them when none of us are playing any more games (I understand that weird things can happen based on the results of other games, but for somebody to drop TWO pairs)? For example, right now we're 16th. But the four teams ahead of us (tied for 12th) are now done for the year (Nebraska-Omaha, Colorado College, UNH and RPI), and they're all TWO pairs higher than us (16 pairs to 14). I just think that it was an unrealistic scenario - I'm not accusing anyone of giving up or saying that they shouldn't "hope" - I just don't see how it was possible in the first place, unless you're saying that Western Michigan was the ONLY team that could have fallen below us (which would have made us 15th). But I don't see how they could have dropped FIVE pairs (because they have 19 now). Remember, if they HAD lost, they wouldn't be playing any more games, either.

 

[chickod]

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sorry for paying attention to see if my team was still in contention. they didn't deserve an ncaa bid one bit, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give up on them. gfy. glad I wasn't sitting next to you in DC with one minute to go. though I likely would've had an empty seat next to me to put my coat on for the final minute.

You know, it's not that...it's just that I'm not sure that all of these "scenarios" were even possible. Just think about this for a minute. There's only one problem with the "all of these teams have to lose theory." Since we are now in single elimination, if they DO lose, they can't lose any more games (because they won't be playing anymore). So if losing didn't put them behind us, how can we catch them when none of us are playing any more games (I understand that weird things can happen based on the results of other games, but for somebody to drop TWO pairs)? For example, right now we're 16th. But the four teams ahead of us (tied for 12th) are now done for the year (Nebraska-Omaha, Colorado College, UNH and RPI), and they're all TWO pairs higher than us (16 pairs to 14). I just think that it was an unrealistic scenario - I'm not accusing anyone of giving up or saying that they shouldn't "hope" - I just don't see how it was possible in the first place, unless you're saying that Western Michigan was the ONLY team that could have fallen below us (which would have made us 15th). But I don't see how they could have dropped FIVE pairs (because they have 19 now). Remember, if they HAD lost, they wouldn't be playing any more games, either.

 

[mpereira]

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You know, it's not that...it's just that I'm not sure that all of these "scenarios" were even possible. Just think about this for a minute. There's only one problem with the "all of these teams have to lose theory." Since we are now in single elimination, if they DO lose, they can't lose any more games (because they won't be playing anymore). So if losing didn't put them behind us, how can we catch them when none of us are playing any more games (I understand that weird things can happen based on the results of other games, but for somebody to drop TWO pairs)? For example, right now we're 16th. But the four teams ahead of us (tied for 12th) are now done for the year (Nebraska-Omaha, Colorado College, UNH and RPI), and they're all TWO pairs higher than us (16 pairs to 14). I just think that it was an unrealistic scenario - I'm not accusing anyone of giving up or saying that they shouldn't "hope" - I just don't see how it was possible in the first place, unless you're saying that Western Michigan was the ONLY team that could have fallen below us (which would have made us 15th). But I don't see how they could have dropped FIVE pairs (because they have 19 now). Remember, if they HAD lost, they wouldn't be playing any more games, either.

The WCHA,ECAC and CCHA have consolation games in their conference tournaments so teams could still lose twice this weekend technically and that is where most of the scenarios were based on( Western losing twice...Dartmouth losing once or twice etc..). It wasn't probable at anypoint and as slurpees said, this team didn't deserve it but just because they backdoored their way in doesn't mean I wouldn't watch every second of us running all over North Dakota in Green Bay haha

 

[slurpees]

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You know, it's not that...it's just that I'm not sure that all of these "scenarios" were even possible. Just think about this for a minute. There's only one problem with the "all of these teams have to lose theory." Since we are now in single elimination, if they DO lose, they can't lose any more games (because they won't be playing anymore). So if losing didn't put them behind us, how can we catch them when none of us are playing any more games (I understand that weird things can happen based on the results of other games, but for somebody to drop TWO pairs)? For example, right now we're 16th. But the four teams ahead of us (tied for 12th) are now done for the year (Nebraska-Omaha, Colorado College, UNH and RPI), and they're all TWO pairs higher than us (16 pairs to 14). I just think that it was an unrealistic scenario - I'm not accusing anyone of giving up or saying that they shouldn't "hope" - I just don't see how it was possible in the first place, unless you're saying that Western Michigan was the ONLY team that could have fallen below us (which would have made us 15th). But I don't see how they could have dropped FIVE pairs (because they have 19 now). Remember, if they HAD lost, they wouldn't be playing any more games, either.

im having trouble following your arguments here, but they all seem to be based on what the case is right now, this second, where we are out. there were very plausible scenarios that existed going into this weekend where we got in, the most plausible one being all higher seeded teams win but unh beats bc. there were others as well. western michigan had an 18-11-10 record coming into tonight, and now they are in line to get a 3 seed. that record doesn't scream ncaa tournament team any more than ours, though their performance tonight was stellar. the facts are that there were indeed many ways BU could have gotten an at-large. that doesn't speak to whether they deserved it or anything. the pairwise is a very weird system where what everyone else does sometimes has more of an effect on you than what you do. right or wrong, that's what it is, and that's how we weren't dead when we lost last weekend. take a look at rpi, a team with a very similar record to ours, and who also lost in their qf series. they're fairly solidly in the tournament right now, only a cornell win and a few other things happening can knock them out. if you flip our loss at rpi to a win, we're sitting at 11th right now and solidly in the tournament with all other results being the same. that's how fluid the pwr system is.

 

[Bumbles]

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The only thing missing from the winter season for BU athletics was the MIH doing some damage in the NCAAs. Ah wells, really happy with the success of the other teams and will gladly trade another down year for MIH if WIH can win that national championship.

 

[slurpees]

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The only thing missing from the winter season for BU athletics was the MIH doing some damage in the NCAAs. Ah wells, really happy with the success of the other teams and will gladly trade another down year for MIH if WIH can win that national championship.

definitely, great to see them in the title game, and the basketball teams performance tonight was extremely admirable against a team that grossly overmatched them. they represented the school and the program extremely well.

 

[Bumbles]

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definitely, great to see them in the title game, and the basketball teams performance tonight was extremely admirable against a team that grossly overmatched them. they represented the school and the program extremely well.

Yup, I'm sure the basketball team made every Terrier fan proud. A great effort. Really hope that program continues to develop as having a national caliber basketball program obviously brings great exposure.

Also, for anyone who wasn't able to watch the WIH Frozen Four Semi's, here's a link to the highlights: http://www.ncaa.com/video/icehockey-women/2011-03-19/ncwffbucorsemi2

 

[RoughEmUp]

sorry for paying attention to see if my team was still in contention. they didn't deserve an ncaa bid one bit, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give up on them. gfy. glad I wasn't sitting next to you in DC with one minute to go. though I likely would've had an empty seat next to me to put my coat on for the final minute.

Good post.

 

[Hurl82]

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5-1.

this is a team that deserves to be in the tournament.

http://www.wmubroncos.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=24470&SPID=1928&ATCLID=1592673&DB_OEM_ID=4600

This guy was originally a BU recruit a few years ago, so maybe the Broncos make sense as a bandwagon team to follow in the tournament.

Although personally, I was hoping to see Colgate become the first 27-loss team ever to win an NCAA title while putting the brakes on another BC coronation.

 

[yankeefn01]

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take a look at rpi, a team with a very similar record to ours, and who also lost in their qf series. they're fairly solidly in the tournament right now, only a cornell win and a few other things happening can knock them out. if you flip our loss at rpi to a win, we're sitting at 11th right now and solidly in the tournament with all other results being the same. that's how fluid the pwr system is.

... and we looked like a pee wee hockey team in that game.

let's all hope that not making the tournament this year, and two of the past three years, is a real wake up call to the players and coaching staff.

 

[Bomber]

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Yup, I'm sure the basketball team made every Terrier fan proud. A great effort. Really hope that program continues to develop as having a national caliber basketball program obviously brings great exposure.

Also, for anyone who wasn't able to watch the WIH Frozen Four Semi's, here's a link to the highlights: http://www.ncaa.com/video/icehockey-women/2011-03-19/ncwffbucorsemi2

Think we can get Brian to take over the mens team.

Actually, I know he wouldn't be interested. I had the pleasure of talking to him after the NC game in DC and he loves coaching the women.

Can I watch the game at this site live on Sunday?

BU Hockey: Playing for a Championship!

 

[limey]

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it is a deserving end to an underwhelming season.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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Funny thing is the # of chumps on this Board who really were scoreboard watching tonite. Even Parker sent the team home for the season when he said to them "you dont have to go home but you cant stay here".

Hahahha. So true. I will confess that it is disappointing that even the most limp-wristed of fanboys has given up now that their .00000000000000000000000001% mathematical chance of making the tournament has dried up.

 

[chickod]

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And THIS is why I had floated the opinion that we should be "rooting for BC" against UNH the last weekend of the season (despite the horrified "objections" of some on this thread). Does anyone think that we could have NOT beaten UNH, based on their performance last night? If we had taken care of business against Northeastern instead of spending hours coming up with improbably PWR permutations (and don't think the team doesn't do this - you don't think they have the same information and technology available to them???), we would be in the championship game now and IN the NCAAs (even with a loss to BC, if that were to happen). Lesson learned? I doubt it...sad.

 

[Federal League]

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And THIS is why I had floated the opinion that we should be "rooting for BC" against UNH the last weekend of the season (despite the horrified "objections" of some on this thread). Does anyone think that we could have NOT beaten UNH, based on their performance last night? If we had taken care of business against Northeastern instead of spending hours coming up with improbably PWR permutations (and don't think the team doesn't do this - you don't think they have the same information and technology available to them???), we would be in the championship game now and IN the NCAAs (even with a loss to BC, if that were to happen). Lesson learned? I doubt it...sad.

So just to clarify... You think the team was more focused on the PWR Predictor than their own game? Alrighty then.

 

[slurpees]

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And THIS is why I had floated the opinion that we should be "rooting for BC" against UNH the last weekend of the season (despite the horrified "objections" of some on this thread). Does anyone think that we could have NOT beaten UNH, based on their performance last night? If we had taken care of business against Northeastern instead of spending hours coming up with improbably PWR permutations (and don't think the team doesn't do this - you don't think they have the same information and technology available to them???), we would be in the championship game now and IN the NCAAs (even with a loss to BC, if that were to happen). Lesson learned? I doubt it...sad.

the pairwise permutations were not available until after the season was over. it's virtually impossible to calculate it out on your own with any accuracy, and i seriously doubt any of them did what the RPI guy on the pairwise thread did in writing a computer program that ran all of the calculations, accounting for the probability of one team winning a specific game based on KRACH. i wouldnt be surprised if they follow the rankings, at some level they'd be dumb not to since that is the definitive predictor of who gets in and who doesn't, so it's a good thing for them to have an idea of where they currently stand, but calculate them during the season? no. and im not sure who objected to rooting for bc over unh, but i would have been with you on that, i'd have much preferred to be seeded to play them in the semis over bc. im not opposed to hoping bc wins if that result will directly impact bu in a positive way.

 

[mwade]

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Think we can get Brian to take over the mens team.

Actually, I know he wouldn't be interested. I had the pleasure of talking to him after the NC game in DC and he loves coaching the women.

Can I watch the game at this site live on Sunday?

BU Hockey: Playing for a Championship!

The WIH Final will be streamed live on ncaa.com. Hope BU crushes Wisconsin.

 

[smyler3]

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And THIS is why I had floated the opinion that we should be "rooting for BC" against UNH the last weekend of the season (despite the horrified "objections" of some on this thread). Does anyone think that we could have NOT beaten UNH, based on their performance last night? If we had taken care of business against Northeastern instead of spending hours coming up with improbably PWR permutations (and don't think the team doesn't do this - you don't think they have the same information and technology available to them???), we would be in the championship game now and IN the NCAAs (even with a loss to BC, if that were to happen). Lesson learned? I doubt it...sad.

Ummm, I'm generally not as against what you've been saying as others, BUT...this is asinine. What the team did vs. NU had nothing to do with what some people were doing on a messageboard. I know that you know this, though, but I'm not sure why/how you're trying to make this particular argument.

 

[Teacher]

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it is a deserving end to an underwhelming season.

How true. 12-11-4 since Thanksgiving=no NCAA bid.

 

[chickod]

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So just to clarify... You think the team was more focused on the PWR Predictor than their own game? Alrighty then.

Not MORE focused, but if it's in the back of your mind subconsciously it doesn't help. In the days before all of this stuff, teams only had to focus on THE GAME at hand. A selection committee would make the choices and it wasn't so cut and dried. With all the buzz about "we might still get in if this or that happens," I just wonder if it isn't somewhat distracting. It's fine for you to disagree, but then someone tell me why the seeming lack of motivation and/or getting behind consistently in important games (besides the "but they're a young team" argument).

What the team did vs. NU had nothing to do with what some people were doing on a messageboard.

So apparently then, everyone agrees that BC, NU, UNH and Merrimack were all more talented then BU, right? I mean, you can't have it both ways. If they weren't more talented, then BU underachieved. And I'm not arguing either way. If that's the case, fine, ADMIT IT. But nobody wants to - every time I mention recruiting I hear that we are getting players that are equal or greater than the calibre of what other teams are getting. So, I ask for the final time, what is needed to get the maximum production out of these players??