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Boston University Part IV: Off-Season or New Season?

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buoldtimer said:
So, this is what it's come to? Downplaying the achievements of a team that won every honor they could have won? Two years after the fact?

Sheesh!
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No. 2009 was as good or arguably better than any of the other BU NC teams I saw. And I saw all 5 from 1971. The argument I've been making since Monday has been only about the coaching and Parker. I have not seen him win an NCAA game he was not favored to win since Michigan in 1997.

The other trademark of Jack Kelly and Jack Parker teams (until the last 10-12 years) is that they would put it into another gear from Beanpot through the playoffs and NCAAs. How many times have we seen that of late? That is now BC's trademark. I would argue that is coaching and how the team is mentally prepared for Feb/Mar.

I have resigned myself to the fact that Parker won't step down and the admin will let him coach as long as he wants. But as long as he is "Da Man", I will expect more "results" like the 3 of the past 4 years, not 2009.
 
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except...just think about this. I was at all of those games. I think we tend to remember the thrilling moments. The FF at DC was one of the most exhilarating moments I have felt watching BU hockey, but...

This is also what I remember: watching us struggle to beat UML...watching us get totally outplayed by UNH...sitting on my hands most of the Vermont game saying, "Well, they'll win this game but only because their talent is much better"... sitting there depressed most of the game when we finally played someone who (as Herb Brroks said, "You're not GOOD enough to win on talent alone!") we couldn't just skate out there and show up against..

So after four some odd games of subpar play against teams they should have squashed, we're supposed to allow 57 seconds of exhilaration wipe away all of those other memories? The whole point of this is to ILLUSTRATE why we are having this discussion to begin with, and that is to ponder why this staff does not seem to get maximum production out of its players year after year. You can't have it both ways - either you admit that our recruiting is as good as other programs, in which case by BU's standards they have been somewhat underachieving, or you must admit that the players just aren't as good as we have been led to believe. Either way, the result will be the same. So which is it? That's what this discussion is about. If you want to say that "lamenting" one NC in sixteen years and one FF in fifteen years (and I'm not even mentioning the track record of the school up the street during the same time period) is being "critical," then so be it.
 
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joen05 said:
Isn't he also only one or two off from being the career wins leader at BU? I remember seeing something like that and hoping (dreaming?) that they could pull that off for him this year.
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Yes.
 
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Thank you Rover. Good summary of the conversation. Concerning the transition plan, I had been lead to believe that some of the moves the last few years was looking towards the "heir apparant". Some have said that was to be Quinn, but something changed after 2009 and Quinn left ... suddenly. We may never know exactly why, but that is something to question through whatever channels folks here have open to them. I question the official reasons why he left. I would take Quinn first too, but maybe Jack was not convinced? I don't know. It would be nice to know who the short list is. I have to believe that Parker zlready has a short list.
 
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chickod said:
My comments should not be misconstrued as "criticism"
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chickod said:
As I said before, if anyone says ANYTHING then they are criticizing. So why do we bother with a forum? I can express my opinion - if you want to interpret it as "criticism," that's your choice.
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So, I shouldn't misconstrue your statements as critcizing, but if anyone says anything, then they are criticizing?? So wouldn't that mean that you're criticizing??

Either way, you're entitled to criticize...express your opinion...do whatever you want (for the most part :)) on this board, just as I'm allowed to interpret statements as I see them and agree or disagree.

Aside from all of that I get your point and I think a better part of the majority agree that we expect more and we're concerned about why we're not getting what we expect. I just don't agree that much of anything that happened in '09 helps make that point, or rather, I think that there are plenty of other examples (of which you've listed many) that help make your point a lot better than anything that happened in '09.

I also think the same point has been rehashed in different variations on the same theme, and just about everyone agrees. Hearing '09 get characterized this way to make the same point over and over just started to get under my skin. Sorry about that....just how I felt, and I know you've tried to balance your comments well. I guess the negatives on them started to add up
 
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Don't you think we should look outside the program? Because outside of the perfect storm of 2009 that I could have probably coached to a national championship this staff just is not getting it done and I think it might be prudent to look elsewhere.
 
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bantam75 said:
To your last point, I believe there is much more to the Quinn story.
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I didn't mean to sound negative on Quinn... as I said I'm playing devils advocate with regards to possible names that have been thrown out too. I think highly of Quinn, Sullivan and Bavis too. What are you suggesting with regards to the Quinn story?

slurpees said:
You were optimistic going into 2008? We had unproven and untested goaltending, came off a year in 2007 where the team couldn't score on an empty net, and had a promising but very young and large incoming freshmen class. I didn't expect it to be as bad as it was, but I can't say that I was optimistic for big success going into that year.
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I have to say, I was not optimistic going into 08... as I was not optimisting going into this year... next year though, I am optimistic about!

Rover said:
The program should achieve a lot higher than it has been.
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I dont disagree with that either... but I'm not ready to run the coaching staff out either...

When I look at it, there are years I think we should have acheived better results, but at the same time, when I look closer to me we have been closer to that achievement more often than we have been far away from it.

Again, it also goes back to what I said below... I like Quinn, Sully etc as much as the next guy... but just as easily as they could be a success, they could be the BU Hockey equivalent of UNC's Matt Doherty.

Dont' forget too (admitedly, I was barely around for it) but this happened in the 80's, and then before we knew it, the 90's came along.... I dont see any reason that cant happen again.

bantam75 said:
I have to believe that Parker zlready has a short list.
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How much say do you think Parker will have in naming his successor?
 
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I think everyone knows wheere I stand, but I will point out one thing about 2009.

it's easy to look back and think we were clearly ther best team in the country, we should have dominated more than we did. Even I have brought up the argument that we barely made it to the FF when we should have gotten there easily. But one thing does irk me when I watch the NC game and hear Gary Thorne say that we were #1 in the country virtually from start to finish, and reference that we were picked to be the favorite going into the season. I don't remember where exactly we were in the pre-season plls, but it was no higher than #7. May have even been lower. After all we didn't even make the NCAAs the year before. So winning six titles that year was by no menas a foregone conclusion.

The reason I don't think the phenomenal results that year take Parker completely off the hook is that it seems that the leadership on that team was as much the captains as it was the coaches. Thankfully, we had a guy that was 25 that was willing to stick his neck out. Most other years, we have complained about leadership, and this is why I think it get's to the relationship with parker and his ability to motivate. Perfect example - we all thought Mark Mullen would be a great captain. after all, he had gone from a role player to one of the top scorers on the team as a junior, and played BU Hockey the way it was meant to be played. yet his senior season lacked leadership.
 
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defkit said:
I think everyone knows wheere I stand, but I will point out one thing about 2009.

it's easy to look back and think we were clearly ther best team in the country, we should have dominated more than we did. Even I have brought up the argument that we barely made it to the FF when we should have gotten there easily. But one thing does irk me when I watch the NC game and hear Gary Thorne say that we were #1 in the country virtually from start to finish, and reference that we were picked to be the favorite going into the season. I don't remember where exactly we were in the pre-season plls, but it was no higher than #7. May have even been lower. After all we didn't even make the NCAAs the year before. So winning six titles that year was by no menas a foregone conclusion.
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We were #10 or #11 preseason that year, BC was #1 and picked to win HE. I think we were preseason third or fourth in HE, so Thorne was blatantly wrong about his preseason favorite thing.
 
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ericredaxe said:
What are you suggesting with regards to the Quinn story?

How much say do you think Parker will have in naming his successor?
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I don't think Quinn wanted to leave.

I think the next coach is whoever Parker recommends. Based on absolutely NO direct knowledge, my gut tells me that Jack would be leaning towards Sullivan. Bavis has absolutely no chance.
 
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bantam75 said:
I don't think Quinn wanted to leave.

I think the next coach is whoever Parker recommends. Based on absolutely NO direct knowledge, my gut tells me that Jack would be leaning towards Sullivan. Bavis has absolutely no chance.
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Quinn was forced out to accept a professional head coaching position? Please explain this further, something's not passing the smell test here.
 
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To change the topic slightly, if Colorado College wins tonight, is BU officially eliminated from the NCAA tournament?
 
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slurpees said:
We were #10 or #11 preseason that year, BC was #1 and picked to win HE. I think we were preseason third or fourth in HE, so Thorne was blatantly wrong about his preseason favorite thing.
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based on the returning roster they should have been the favorite (as much as a favorite with two fr goalies can be! :p). but the votes were low because of the ________? (coaching? :D)
 
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BigRedTerrier said:
So, I shouldn't misconstrue your statements as critcizing, but if anyone says anything, then they are criticizing?? So wouldn't that mean that you're criticizing??
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Sorry that wasn't clear. I was paraphrasing - I should have put "if anyone says anything they are criticizing" in quotes, meaning the general consensus is... I didn't say that no one should criticize ME. :)

Eeeekkk!! Now I see why every employer has their workers sign the email "warning" stuff, because it is SO easy to misinterpret written words without the benefit of hearing the inflections in one's voice!!
 
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mookie1995 said:
i think he wanted to coach, capital C.

he probably figured he wasn't getting the job anytime soon
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That was my understanding as well, as heard from a friend of his. I didn't think there was anything more to it, but I could be wrong.

Gotta think that he'd take the BU job if it were offered to him sometime in the near future...who knows though if it's more than 5 yrs from now.
 
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BigRedTerrier said:
That was my understanding as well, as heard from a friend of his. I didn't think there was anything more to it, but I could be wrong.

Gotta think that he'd take the BU job if it were offered to him sometime in the near future...who knows though if it's more than 5 yrs from now.
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That was more along the lines of what I (and most) probablly thought..... and I'm sure we'd all be curious to here if there was more to it.
 
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