Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

No kidding rover! This was a ****storm of a season regardless. Jack should have dressed the 14 or so players who didn't party like a st pats star and pulled a Hoosiers "my team is on the ice" game plan. **** them!!

 

[Bomber]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

2) I'll say again, I just don't see these issues occuring like this on Jerry York's watch up at BC. We really need to ask some hard questions about the coaching here. I don't expect Parker to be out at midnight checking up on the players. However, somebody needs to, and they need to be punished immediately, as in a suspension and threat of dismissal, during the season - not months afterwards. If a coach or assistant was supposed to do that and didn't, they need to be canned. This is a freakin' joke, and a bad one at that. The school ought to reimburse the fans for the cost of the HE tourney tix. Good lord, of all the times I went out and got hammered during college or even afterwards I always had the good sense not to do so before a big exam or an interview.

I agree that this falls at the feet of the coaching staff. By March, the culture should be set that no player would even DREAM of being out at 1am right before a big game. That's leadership folks. It starts with the way the coaching staff treats/relates to the players. These are the rules, this is how you behave, this is what it means to be a BU hockey player.

If Corey and Vinny basically missed that crucial "ride" after being told: "you miss it, you're off the team." How come Corey is still on the team?

BU Hockey: Bad Mojo

 

[Bomber]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

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Too bad attend a BU practice isn't one of the auction items. It seems to me, those are going to be veeeeeeeery interesting next season. Especially early on.

 

[Beantownhitter]

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That said, I think you had a bit of an attitude in your post. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, which is entirely possible, but I can see why you got neg rep (not from me, though I was tempted )

Sorry all around for the attitude. Sent you a text message. Call me anytime.

 

[SPIN CONTROL]

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Back when I was in school, I remember someone being sent out to the usual hangouts to make sure the players were abiding by the curfew. Does the team still do that? Either way....

You mean like Kenny Rausch?

(and I am not sure how effective that was since they were always out boozing)

 

[Hokydad]

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It is easy to pile on after the fact.

I would bet 50 cents that if BU has 25 kids on roster and BC has 25 kids on roster, at the end of the year, the exact same amount of beer was consumed by the 50 players on both teams...

I think BC had a jeep with 4 players in it crashing into a trolley car last week. Not throwing stones at either org as they are two of the best++. But to think it is only going on at BU is absurd. All Hockey East schools have their kids and boys will be boys.

BU/BC go back and forth, one in favor, one out of favor. Two great programs who shape kids. I would dare say JP is kicking himself hard for not coming down harder earlier. My guess is it wont happen again and he will have the team back in the hunt over next 2-3 years.

 

[slurpees]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

It is easy to pile on after the fact.

I would bet 50 cents that if BU has 25 kids on roster and BC has 25 kids on roster, at the end of the year, the exact same amount of beer was consumed by the 50 players on both teams...

I think BC had a jeep with 4 players in it crashing into a trolley car last week. Not throwing stones at either org as they are two of the best++. But to think it is only going on at BU is absurd. All Hockey East schools have their kids and boys will be boys.

BU/BC go back and forth, one in favor, one out of favor. Two great programs who shape kids. I would dare say JP is kicking himself hard for not coming down harder earlier. My guess is it wont happen again and he will have the team back in the hunt over next 2-3 years.

***. why do i now agree with both jcarter and hokydad over a period of 72 hours. i am very concerned now about pigs flying into my window.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

Who left the door open?!?

 

[Rover]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

It is easy to pile on after the fact.

I would bet 50 cents that if BU has 25 kids on roster and BC has 25 kids on roster, at the end of the year, the exact same amount of beer was consumed by the 50 players on both teams...

I think BC had a jeep with 4 players in it crashing into a trolley car last week. Not throwing stones at either org as they are two of the best++. But to think it is only going on at BU is absurd. All Hockey East schools have their kids and boys will be boys.

Sure, but irrelavent. Its when you're consuming the beer that's in question. College kids boozing = no problem. 2/3rds of the team getting boozed up before the biggest game of the season and then laying an egg in said game = ***** ridiculous and inexcusable, especially since the team was in 'win or go home for the season' mode. If the players aren't going to prepare and put out maximum effort for a game like that, when will they ever?

 

[Slasher7]

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It is easy to pile on after the fact.

I would bet 50 cents that if BU has 25 kids on roster and BC has 25 kids on roster, at the end of the year, the exact same amount of beer was consumed by the 50 players on both teams...

I think BC had a jeep with 4 players in it crashing into a trolley car last week. Not throwing stones at either org as they are two of the best++. But to think it is only going on at BU is absurd. All Hockey East schools have their kids and boys will be boys.

BU/BC go back and forth, one in favor, one out of favor. Two great programs who shape kids. I would dare say JP is kicking himself hard for not coming down harder earlier. My guess is it wont happen again and he will have the team back in the hunt over next 2-3 years.

The BC kids are told to stay on campus and not drink and drive. I know when they won their trophies this year, they spent several hours in the wee hours walking the trophies through the mods and sharing them with the revelers.

Personally, I put this on the captains even moreso than the coaches. The coaches rely on the captains to be "their eyes" and police the kids for this type of thing. Clearly, this is why Parker wanted to pick the captains this year because he didn't trust the kids to do it themselves.

 

[Beantownhitter]

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Sure, but irrelavent. Its when you're consuming the beer that's in question. College kids boozing = no problem. 2/3rds of the team getting boozed up before the biggest game of the season and then laying an egg in said game = ***** ridiculous and inexcusable, especially since the team was in 'win or go home for the season' mode. If the players aren't going to prepare and put out maximum effort for a game like that, when will they ever?

Hard to disagree with this. And I wouldn't try to explain it away either. But with all we've learned recently, it's probably fair to say that while the '08-'09 season was about "Burning the Boats", '09-'10 proved that the ship had sailed well before the St Patrick's Day debacle. Parker knew it (and admitted it in the FOH letter) and so did the rest of the team. (all of a sudden Parker's decision on who would select the Captain(s) makes more sense?)

Fortunately, for those who believe in yin-yang, '10-'11 has a very good chance to be different. Count me among those who expect as much.

 

[srsterrier]

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Sure, but irrelavent. Its when you're consuming the beer that's in question. College kids boozing = no problem. 2/3rds of the team getting boozed up before the biggest game of the season and then laying an egg in said game = ***** ridiculous and inexcusable, especially since the team was in 'win or go home for the season' mode. If the players aren't going to prepare and put out maximum effort for a game like that, when will they ever?

-I agree with just about everything in this post. Violating team rules [and, in some cases, Commonwealth of Massachusetts laws] is bad. But violating your commitment to your teammates and the University is worse. If these guys have not figured it out yet, here it is again: it is a privilege to wear the Scarlet and White jersey. If they can't see it that way, then they should not be here. And to those who would say it's just a steppingstone to the NHL for a lot of these kids, maybe ... but what does that have to do with Saponari? He is a marginal NHL prospect as are most of the other guys on the team. Few will become NHL regulars.


- One more thing, just wondering: do you think the St. Patrick's day outing would have happened if Strait was still here?

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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I agree with Rover. How can that many members of the team go out and so wantonly break a major team rule right before their win or go home game?

Its one thing if it was just 2-3 guys. It seems like more than half the team was there.

What the hell? That's not just leadership, that's on the coaching staff for not instilling the fear of God in these kids.

Boys will be boys to a point.

This one is just baffling.

 

[Hurl82]

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From all the stories over the past week, sounds like these guys could've fit right in with the 2009-10 team:

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http://strangeherring.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/belushi_in_animal_house.jpg

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

Coaching staff
fear of god

this was an ef you move. Plain and simple. Weekend. Out when everyone else is out, so you will be seen. Whether Parker and bavo are nice or tough, the ringleaders played a huge ef em on the program. Plain and simple...

 

[ericredaxe]

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Some pretty varied opinions on who gets more of the blame pie here... coaching staff or players...

To me it's more on the players... yes I suppose the coaching staff perhaps should have put the fear of god in them (and that might be the case now)... but really, we are not talking about 14 year olds here... why should the coaching staff have to do that? Shouldn't a division 1 varsity athlete have enough pride in their performance to proplery prepare themselves for a win or go home situation?

 

[mookie1995]

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Jack had already suspended the tiger4 not one year ago, but two years ago!!! Friggin Colby and shattenkirk were freshmen, pipko, kraus, and gryba sophomores!! Everyone on the team knew the potential punishment.

They didn't care. Or worse yet cared and said " fcuk it, so what."

 

[BUT09]

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Some pretty varied opinions on who gets more of the blame pie here... coaching staff or players...

To me it's more on the players... yes I suppose the coaching staff perhaps should have put the fear of god in them (and that might be the case now)... but really, we are not talking about 14 year olds here... why should the coaching staff have to do that? Shouldn't a division 1 varsity athlete have enough pride in their performance to properly prepare themselves for a win or go home situation?

I agree. They are adults, their behavior is on them. They made their choices, and they have to live with them. The coaching staff can't babysit them at all times, and they can only do so much in terms of laying down the law. In the end, they are adults and will make their own decisions. If they commit a crime, are the police going to arrest Jack Parker?

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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To me it's more on the players... yes I suppose the coaching staff perhaps should have put the fear of god in them (and that might be the case now)... but really, we are not talking about 14 year olds here... why should the coaching staff have to do that? Shouldn't a division 1 varsity athlete have enough pride in their performance to proplery prepare themselves for a win or go home situation?

I tend to agree with you here. Do these kids really need someone babysitting them at this point in their lives? I mean seriously. And how stupid do you have to be to show up late for a punishment workout? Talk about freakin stupid.

 

[fangers]

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I tend to agree with you here. Do these kids really need someone babysitting them at this point in their lives? I mean seriously. And how stupid do you have to be to show up late for a punishment workout? Talk about freakin stupid.

Problem is, by the time many get to school this behaviour is well established, starting back in their midget & junior days (sadly, sometimes it started at home). Coaches/staff who either turn a blind eye or take the "if I don't know about it" approach, adults (sometimes fans, sometimes billits) who don't enforce team rules, etc. Many times, even if caught, if the player had talent there were little negative consequence, many times another coach or team willing to give them another chance.