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Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

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Problem is, by the time many get to school this behaviour is well established, starting back in their midget & junior days (sadly, sometimes it started at home). Coaches/staff who either turn a blind eye or take the "if I don't know about it" approach, adults (sometimes fans, sometimes billits) who don't enforce team rules, etc. Many times, even if caught, if the player had talent there were little negative consequence, many times another coach or team willing to give them another chance.

This is a good point. My high school's top football and hockey players got away with pretty much whatever they wanted in my town. All the cops knew who they were and would give them a half-hearted "Don't do it again" whenever they got caught.
 
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Soooo.....what are we paying the coaching staff for?

Apparently its not their job to motivate players, nor discipline them, nor work on things in practice that might enhance the ability to win upcoming games, nor keep them in line...

Really, these people aren't making minimum wage. Once recruiting season is over, do they have any responsibilities? Not much from what I'm reading.
 
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

Soooo.....what are we paying the coaching staff for?

Apparently its not their job to motivate players, nor discipline them, nor work on things in practice that might enhance the ability to win upcoming games, nor keep them in line...

Really, these people aren't making minimum wage. Once recruiting season is over, do they have any responsibilities? Not much from what I'm reading.

X's and O's comes to mind as the most important thing apart from recruiting... and i'm sure the coaching staff does a lot of things in practice to help enhance the teams ability to win upcoming games.

Dicipline yes, and motivation yes, but I still contend that these athletes are basically adults and should not have to be babysat 24/7.
 
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Whether or not you hold the players or the coaches is a matter of how much responsibility you think they should take on. If you think they're young adults who, as such, should be capable of making responsible decisions and should be able to prioritize their status as athletes, and not simply college students who do what college kids do.

If you view them as college kids who need to be kept in line, then obviously, it's Parker's fault when they step out of line. In the end, it's somewhere in between, potentially varying a little one way or the other depending on where you're looking from.
 
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I'm going back to my earlier comment that referenced the hangover from the championship season. It manifested itself early this season when the team played sluggishly. If we're fair to everyone, at the very least it had to be somewhat hard to bring the same level of intensity every day coming off the Frozen 4 high. Parker kept pushing different buttons (as all coaches do) trying to find the one that would light the fuse. But something was off. The chemistry wasn't right. Along the way certain things were left sliding; some guys got a pass for an apparent lack of on-ice commitment while others (perhaps many others) were given a pass for a lack of commitment off-ice. Maybe everyone thought that if given a little wiggle room, the team would find a way to work through the hangover and gel as the season moved through the holidays. That's happened before...we've all seen it. Unfortunately, this time it didn't and these recent reports confirm that things kept going the wrong way, in fact getting worse.

For that, everyone should be accountable; Parker, the assistants, the captains and the players. When they look in the mirror they will all know that they made mistakes, that they let too many bad habits slide and that they accepted less than the best they had to give. They share in the failure equally. That will bother most of them I suspect. Some, maybe not, and it looks like for a couple of them, Parker has decided that, at least from a chemistry standpoint, he won't take the risk that it will happen again next year.

Trying to ration blame for a team failure makes for some interesting conversation, but it's ultimately a waste of time. The only way we get the kind of team BU deserves is if coaches and players insist that they each bear an equal share of responsibility for the failure this year and commit to insuring that next year will be different.
 
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I agree. They are adults, their behavior is on them. They made their choices, and they have to live with them. The coaching staff can't babysit them at all times, and they can only do so much in terms of laying down the law. In the end, they are adults and will make their own decisions. If they commit a crime, are the police going to arrest Jack Parker? :rolleyes:

I believe the coaching staff could do a better job of creating a culture that results in everyone tucked into bed by 11pm, sober as a nun on Sunday, two days before the biggest game of the year.

BU Hockey: Nation Building
 
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- One more thing, just wondering: do you think the St. Patrick's day outing would have happened if Strait was still here?

That's one helluva question. I've thought the same thing frequently during the season. And I'm referring to off-ice matters here, not his considerable on-ice contributions.
 
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

Soooo.....what are we paying the coaching staff for?

Apparently its not their job to motivate players, nor discipline them, nor work on things in practice that might enhance the ability to win upcoming games, nor keep them in line...

Really, these people aren't making minimum wage. Once recruiting season is over, do they have any responsibilities? Not much from what I'm reading.

they don't have practices? or you go and see this doing of nothing??:confused: :rolleyes:
 
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

they don't have practices? or you go and see this doing of nothing??:confused: :rolleyes:

I based it on 15 years of futility including this year with the exception of one year of superstars with enormous talent and a 24 year old captain who most likely kept things in line.

However, watching them skate around in March like they all just met each other does make me wonder what they work on in practice....and don't get me started on the vaunted power play.
 
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

I based it on 15 years of futility including this year with the exception of one year of superstars with enormous talent and a 24 year old captain who most likely kept things in line.

However, watching them skate around in March like they all just met each other does make me wonder what they work on in practice....and don't get me started on the vaunted power play.

oh, i attributed it to having to send out jv types who weren't wanted by bc... cause over that time it seems all the good players go up there.;)
 
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I'm trying to go back to past seasons to edit games and get them online (so much easier this year just editing once for all uses rather than edit for USCHO and re-edit for archives at some future date). Anyway, from 2008-2009:

F4 Final game - http://bit.ly/94XOTk
F4 Postgame - http://bit.ly/bolsuL

Way too many images, but the editing has been too disjointed as I'd edit some when needed here this season or for my blog and I'd rather spend my time editing more games than weeding near duplicates out.
 
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we're doing well.. couple days have passed with no suspensions ;)
 
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we're doing well.. couple days have passed with no suspensions ;)

That you know of. I'm sure Woodward and Bernstein met deepthroat (3hock)in the Agganis Arena parking garage last night. :cool:

BU Hockey: St. Patty Day-gate
 
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That you know of. I'm sure Woodward and Bernstein met deepthroat (3hock)in the Agganis Arena parking garage last night. :cool:

BU Hockey: St. Patty Day-gate

We're just letting Parker and company sleep easy for a couple nights. Worst case, maybe we'll just start making stuff up next week. It'd be great for website traffic :D

BU Hockey: <del>Journalistic Integrity</del> It's all about the Benjamins
 
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That you know of. I'm sure Woodward and Bernstein met deepthroat (3hock)in the Agganis Arena parking garage last night. :cool:

BU Hockey: St. Patty Day-gate

Amazingly, even after all of this, we have no idea who 3hock is. This dude is some sort of stealth.

BU Hockey: <del>Journalistic Integrity</del> It's all about the Benjamins that we see no part of.

FYP
 
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Revisiting something that was discussed a lot earlier this season: youth hockey in Massachusetts.

I'm watching "Bobby Orr and the Big, Bad Bruins" on NESN right now, and they showed that from 1967-1973, youth hockey participation in Mass increased by more than 700%. The documentary had Parker, York, Eruzione, Amonte and Milbury all on talking about how every little kid in Mass in the 70s wanted to be the next Orr, and that's why the heyday of Mass hockey power was from the late 70s to the early 90s -- the time during which that generation grew up.

The documentary talked about how people had to wait in line outside the Garden for up to 12 hours to get playoff tickets. Well, I've gone to 11 B's playoff games in my life and I've never even had to wait in a virtual waiting room online, never mind any sort of real line.

I know there's a consensus that youth hockey teams in Mass are too focused on team success rather than individual development, and I've stated before that I think that's true, but I can't help but think the lack of success for the B's since the early 90s and the lack of a Stanley Cup since the early 70s have played a huge role in the decline.

Here's hoping that 40 years after Orr took flight, the B's can lift up Mass hockey with another Cup this year.

ETA: I also finally got around to watching "Pond Hockey" today (as you can tell, my summer vaca is just jam-packed with activity), and several of the players featured in that made the point that playing on a pond, you have all the space and all the time to work on whatever you want. At an indoor practice with a team, though, you have to wait in line and do lots of standing around and work on whatever the coach tells you to work on. One player said that on a backyard rink or a pond, you can take 200 shots in an hour, but during an hour-long team practice, you'd be lucky to take 20. Youth hockey organizations can't force kids to play on a pond in their spare time, but I found that interesting, too, because I know pond hockey isn't nearly as popular in Mass as it is in, say, Minnesota.
 
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Revisiting something that was discussed a lot earlier this season: youth hockey in Massachusetts.

I'm watching "Bobby Orr and the Big, Bad Bruins" on NESN right now, and they showed that from 1967-1973, youth hockey participation in Mass increased by more than 700%. The documentary had Parker, York, Eruzione, Amonte and Milbury all on talking about how every little kid in Mass in the 70s wanted to be the next Orr, and that's why the heyday of Mass hockey power was from the late 70s to the early 90s -- the time during which that generation grew up.

The documentary talked about how people had to wait in line outside the Garden for up to 12 hours to get playoff tickets. Well, I've gone to 11 B's playoff games in my life and I've never even had to wait in a virtual waiting room online, never mind any sort of real line.

I know there's a consensus that youth hockey teams in Mass are too focused on team success rather than individual development, and I've stated before that I think that's true, but I can't help but think the lack of success for the B's since the early 90s and the lack of a Stanley Cup since the early 70s have played a huge role in the decline.

Here's hoping that 40 years after Orr took flight, the B's can lift up Mass hockey with another Cup this year.

ETA: I also finally got around to watching "Pond Hockey" today (as you can tell, my summer vaca is just jam-packed with activity), and several of the players featured in that made the point that playing on a pond, you have all the space and all the time to work on whatever you want. At an indoor practice with a team, though, you have to wait in line and do lots of standing around and work on whatever the coach tells you to work on. One player said that on a backyard rink or a pond, you can take 200 shots in an hour, but during an hour-long team practice, you'd be lucky to take 20. Youth hockey organizations can't force kids to play on a pond in their spare time, but I found that interesting, too, because I know pond hockey isn't nearly as popular in Mass as it is in, say, Minnesota.

FL I don't know if that's the issue with MA hockey but I agree with you about how different it is for kids today.

Growing up, me and my buddies spent countless hours playing pond or backyard hockey. We'd copy great moves over and over and just mess around knowing we had all day. Now, you can barely let your kid leave your yard. My wife would kill me if I let my daughter go down and play outside...on ice or just messing around without supervision.

It's a different world now and kids seem more interested in computer games and parents keeping them busy with organized activities.
 
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Revisiting something that was discussed a lot earlier this season: youth hockey in Massachusetts.

Yeah, you know it's funny, I came to Boston for college, and was unbelievably excited to be in a real hockey town (and baseball town, for that matter, being from Pittsburgh). People in the 'Burgh live and die by the Penguins. They love the team, and mostly they love the fact that over the last 25 years, we've been treated to the likes of Lemieux, Jagr, Crosby, Malkin, and a ton of other fantastic players.

But almost nobody in Pittsburgh has ever played hockey (that may be changing now). I was excited to be coming to Boston, where I'd heard people eat, sleep, and breath hockey.

I didn't anticipate finding the Bruins were far and away the fourth team in the city (and granted, I came about the same time as the Celtic's Big Three). That didn't necessarily disappoint me –– I guess you expect that when a franchise is mediocre for a number of years, and let's face it, the NHL ain't exactly America's Pastime. But it did surprise me.

What I did find in Boston is the Bruins' fanbase is very, very intelligent. Bruins' fans (mostly) are hockey fans who cheer because the B's are just the nearest NHL squad. Penguins' fans (mostly) watch hockey, because, well, the Penguins are good. The same people would just as readily support the Pirates, Steelers, or Pitt basketball, if it made the city proud.

It kind of baffled me, especially among people my age who were from the area. Some of them had played hockey, and loved it, but honest to God, did not care a lick about the Bruins. I know there have been ownership issues, and there are many people disgruntled with the way the team has been run -- and rightfully so. But still, as a baseball fan, I stand by my Pirates (gulp), and even if I didn't, I'd find another MLB team, because I love the sport. I'm finding that isn't happening in Boston.

I just spent the winter covering MA high school hockey, and it was perplexing –– often, I'd try chatting up a kid with some NHL talk, and a lot of times, it went nowhere. They'd have nothing to add to the conversation. If I brought up the Sox, everyone and their mother would have their opinion on Jason Bay's departure or "run prevention." But hardly anybody ever wanted to talk about the B's.

The thing is, I don't think that's an indictment of Massachusetts. It's not an indictment of Bruins fans, or of how the team has handled itself. It's not about coaches ruining the game, or the rise of the Celtics and Patriots, or the continued attention devoted to the Sox.

It's an indictment of the NHL -- namely, the people in charge of the NHL. That the league has fallen into such obscurity that it's below the radar of high school hockey players in MA is a sin.

It's to the point where very few care about the league as a whole, because they never get to see more than half of it play. If the home team on TV isn't a good watch, then nobody will bother flipping it on. Fact is, if the Pens weren't good, there's no way Pittsburgh could support them in today's NHL. There just aren't enough "hockey people" in the city to keep the team floating, and we almost saw that earlier this millennium when the team nearly left town.

When you think about it, it's pretty remarkable that the Bruins still get the support they do, considering their string of mediocrity -- that wouldn't happen in most other American NHL cities. Of course, if you're the Bruins, or the NHL, you don't really want to let that trend continue -- you're getting into dangerous waters if you go another 5 years without getting back into the national limelight for more than a Cup Finals with the face of the league involved.
 
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Yeah, you know it's funny, I came to Boston for college, and was unbelievably excited to be in a real hockey town (and baseball town, for that matter, being from Pittsburgh).

It really is amazing. I knew plenty of hockey players growing up who couldn't have cared less about the Bruins. Yet (pretty much) every baseball player I knew ate, slept and breathed the Sox. It's not like the Bruins were ever really awful -- they've only missed the playoffs 5 times in the last 33 years. They just haven't had a lot of deep playoff runs -- they haven't been to the conference finals since 1992 despite finishing as the 1 or 2 seed in the East 3 times this decade. In addition to deep playoff runs, which it looks like we're finally gonna get this year, we need a superstar kids wanna emulate, something we haven't had since Bourque and Neely. Thornton never really caught on like that. Neither did Kessel. Maybe we'll get that this year, too, in the form of Hall or Seguin.
 
Re: Boston University Offseason Thread 2: Moving Forward by Booting Forwards

ETA: I also finally got around to watching "Pond Hockey" today (as you can tell, my summer vaca is just jam-packed with activity), and several of the players featured in that made the point that playing on a pond, you have all the space and all the time to work on whatever you want. At an indoor practice with a team, though, you have to wait in line and do lots of standing around and work on whatever the coach tells you to work on. One player said that on a backyard rink or a pond, you can take 200 shots in an hour, but during an hour-long team practice, you'd be lucky to take 20. Youth hockey organizations can't force kids to play on a pond in their spare time, but I found that interesting, too, because I know pond hockey isn't nearly as popular in Mass as it is in, say, Minnesota.

Honestly, I think part of that's because there are less ponds to skate on now. The ponds that used to freeze over every December and stay frozen until February or March aren't doing that any more. In fact, this winter was the first time in a long time that I remember some ponds I know of that actually even froze enough to skate on at all.
 
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