Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[candycanes99]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

One, lets not congratulate grown-ups for doing the right thing.

Why not? It's what they were supposed to do, yes. So good on them for doing it. We're not lumping high praise on them for it, just a relief for once.

Second, and again, this was before more information came out, what was done to maybe help this kid who had prior alcohol related incidents that may have helped this situation from every happening in the first place?

Can't really say. Basically Corey realizing he had a problem was the only thing that could have helped. Parker and his teammates could have tried to force him into getting help, but unless Corey believed he needed that help it wasn't going to accomplish anything. He could have been suspended again, but according to Parker that hasn't stopped him in the past. Unfortunately I feel like something terrible had to happen for him to realize the severity of the situation.

 

[Jofa]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Compare and contrast the following dismissals and non-dismissals from BU hockey:

1. John Sabo
2. Andy Glass
3. Corey Trivino

I'll leave Bartlett, Klema, and the rest out of it for now.

going back a ways:

Lappins

Paul Miller
Todd Johnson
Bruce Milton
LaCouture

all left because of Parker

 

[mookie1995]

going back a ways:

Lappins

Paul Miller
Todd Johnson
Bruce Milton
LaCouture

all left because of Parker

i thought dan lacouture was chris bourque before chris bourque was cool...

 

[TimP]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Glad to see that JackPa considers whatever Trivino did to be as serious as missing an optional team workout and not just a minor thing like nearly beating a guy to death. Personally, I think that if he knew of Trivino's drinking problem and did nothing to get him help, there's blood on his hands too.

I'll be the list that Nick and Jofa are putting together can reach the top of the Hancock tower.

 

[goblue]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

You’re proud of the school, cops and Parker for doing what they are paid to do? You should be proud of the kids who bust their *** on the ice and are good students in school that don’t get into trouble.

Sheesh! It would be more convenient for the school and Parker to keep this quiet (if they even could.) While I'm no fan of JP, if the Boston Hockey Blog story posted below is accurate, I applaud the way he handled Trivino throughout his troublesome career at BU. Put the responsibility on the player's shoulders, and make him aware of the consequences in advance. (I was also struck by Parker's prediction that there would be another incident.)

I don't feel at all bad for Trivino. If he has any character at all he will eventually get beyond his present difficulties and recognize that he has a problem (Parker alluded to a sense of denial expressed by Trivino when a suggestion to seek help was made) and make the needed changes in his life (I suspect the court will have something to say vis a vis mandated treatment.) He's a young man, and can change if he is willing to accept the challenge. It's entirely possible for him to get out of this incident with minimal consequences and a chance for a new start, and I suspect that he will still have a career in professional hockey of some duration and at some level. It could be worse.

As despicable an act as attempting to force another human being to have sex is, he didn't kill someone while driving drunk, as Craig MacTavish (a UML star) did in the '80's when he played for the Bruins. No matter Trivino's eventual punishment, nothing could be worse than to look at himself in the mirror each day and see the face of a murderer.

Assuming the alleged victim's version of the story is true, I feel much more bad for her in terms of the trauma she may have suffered, and wish her the best in recovering from this attack.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

As despicable an act as attempting to force another human being to have sex is, he didn't kill someone while driving drunk, as Craig MacTavish (a UML star) did in the '80's when he played for the Bruins.

I'm pretty sure that rape is looked down upon by society AND the law more than drunk driving vehicular manslaughter/homicide.

 

[irishfan85]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I'm pretty sure that rape is looked down upon by society AND the law more than drunk driving vehicular manslaughter/homicide.

I would tend to agree. A lot of people can relate to having more drinks than they should than driving, but very few people can relate to attempting to rape someone. I've grown up and don't drive after drinking, but most high school and college kids and young adults have done driven after drinking. It is a bad mistake in judgement. Rape is just a reprehensible act.

 

[mookie1995]

I'm pretty sure that rape is looked down upon by society AND the law more than drunk driving vehicular manslaughter/homicide.

Doesn't mean they are right.

 

[Tater]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I love how the comments section on the USCHO story on Trivino quickly dived into a North Dakota-Minnesota flamefest.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

As Irishfan85 just wrote, drunk driving, whether you make it home or kill someone in the process, is nothing more than very, very bad judgement and it can happen to pretty much anyone that drinks. Rape on the other hand is a premeditated heinous crime. Decent people have killed while driving drunk, decent people don't rape other human beings. Not even close, sorry.....

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Personally, I think that if he knew of Trivino's drinking problem and did nothing to get him help, there's blood on his hands too.

:facepalm:

"Parker said he had talked to Trivino more than once about getting help for his alcohol problems, but that Trivino refused."

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

As Irishfan85 just wrote, drunk driving, whether you make it home or kill someone in the process, is nothing more than very, very bad judgement and it can happen to pretty much anyone that drinks. Rape on the other hand is a premeditated heinous crime. Decent people have killed while driving drunk, decent people don't rape other human beings. Not even close, sorry.....

Are we really trying to marginalize drunk driving as not that bad, and that "decent" people do it? If you're intoxicated and get behind the wheel of a car, you're placing others in as much danger as if you stuck a gun in their face. I refuse to call anyone who chooses to drive while intoxicated, or anyone who rapes/assaults another person, "decent".

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

The fact that you type out an action on someone's part where they knowingly continue to drink to the point where they can not properly operate an automobile and drive and kill someone sums you up rather well. It's just a life, huh? Not yours. Bad mistake, but decent people kill. Oh well.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Would rather have someone out there with a gun than someone driving drunk. Throw away the key on the first offense. No one has the right to ever take put someone elses life at risk, first time, second time, third time. Does not matter. Drink over the limit and drive, no license for ten years, minimum 2 years behind bars and watch the arrests drop off.

Statistics



An average drunk driver has driven drunk 80 times before first arrest.

Centers for Disease Control. “Vital Signs: Alcohol-Impaired Driving Among Adults — United States, 2010.” Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. October 4, 2011. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6039a4.htm


MADD serves a victim or survivor of drunk driving every nine minutes.

(MADD data, 2010)


This year, 10,839 people will die in drunk-driving crashes - one every 50 minutes.

(NHTSA, 2009) Full cite: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. ?2008 Traffic Safety Annual Assessment ? Highlights? DOT 811 172. Washington DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2009. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811172.pdf


One in three people will be involved in an alcohol-related crash in their lifetime.

(NHTSA, 2001; NHTSA FARS data) Full cite: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. ?The Traffic Stop and You: Improving Communications between Citizens and Law Enforcement.? National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, March 2001, DOT HS 809 212. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/Traffic Stop & You HTML/TrafficStop_index.htm


One in three 8th graders drinks alcohol.


MADD has saved 27,000 young lives through passage of groundbreaking public health laws.

(NHTSA, 2009) Full cite: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. ?Traffic Safety Facts 2008: Young Drivers?. DOT 811 169. Washington DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2009. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811169.PDF


One in three will be involved in an alcohol-related crash in their lifetime.

(NHTSA, 2001; NHTSA FARS data) Full cite: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. ?The Traffic Stop and You: Improving Communications between Citizens and Law Enforcement.? National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, March 2001, DOT HS 809 212. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/enforce/Traffic Stop & You HTML/TrafficStop_index.htm.


Every minute, one person is injured from an alcohol-related crash.

(Blincoe, et al, 2002; Miller et al, 1998) Full cites: Blincoe, Lawrence, et al. ?The Economic Impact of Motor Vehicle Crashes 2000.? Washington, DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2002. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/economic/EconImpact2000/ and Miller, Ted, Diane Lestina, and Rebecca Spicer. ?Highway Crash Costs in the United States by Driver Age, Blood Alcohol Level, Victim Age, and Restraint Use,? Accident Analysis and Prevention, 30, no. 2 (1998): 137-150.


50 to 75% of convicted drunk drivers continue to drive on a suspended license.

(Peck, et al, 1995 and Beck et al, 1999) Full Cites: Peck, R.C., Wilson, R. J., and Sutton, L. 1995. ?Driver license strategies for controlling the persistent DUI offender, Strategies for Dealing with the intent Drinking Driver.? Transportation Research Board, Transportation Research Circular No. 437. Washington, D.C. National Research Council: 48-49. and Beck, KH, et al. ?Effects of Ignition Interlock License Restrictions on Drivers with Multiple Alcohol Offenses: A Randomized Trial in Maryland.? American Journal of Public Health, 89 vol. 11 (1999): 1696-1700.


One in five teens binge drink. Only 1 in 100 parents believes his or her teen binge drinks.

(Institute of Medicine, 2003) Full cite: Institute of Medicine National Research Council of the National Academies. Bonnie, Richard J. and Mary Ellen O?Connell, eds. Reducing Underage Drinking: A Collective Responsibility. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press, 2003.


Teen alcohol use kills about 6000 people each year, more than all illegal drugs combined.

(Hingson and Kenkel, 2003) Full cite: Hingson, Ralph and D. Kenkel. ?Social and Health Consequences of Underage Drinking.? In press. As quoted in Institute of Medicine National Research Council of the National Academies. Bonnie, Richard J. and Mary Ellen O?Connell, eds. Reducing Underage Drinking: A Collective Responsibility. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press, 2003.


Car crashes are the leading cause of death for teens and one out of three of those is alcohol related.

(NHTSA, 2009) Full cite: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. ?Traffic Safety Facts 2008: Young Drivers?. DOT 811 169. Washington DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2009. http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811169.PDF


Kids who start drinking young are seven times more likely to be in an alcohol-related crash.

(Hingson, 2001) Full cite: Hingson, Ralph, et al. ?Age of Drinking Onset, Driving After Drinking, and Involvement in Alcohol-Related Motor Vehicle Crashes.? DOT HS 809 188. Washington, DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, January 2001.


Drunk driving costs each adult in this country almost $500 per year.

(Taylor, et al 2002) Full cite: Taylor, Dexter; Miller, Ted; and Cox, Kenya. ?Impaired Driving in the United States Cost Fact Sheets.? Washington, DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2002. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/alcohol/impaired_driving_pg2/US.htm


High school students who use alcohol or other substances are five times more likely to drop out of school or believe good grades are not important.

(NIDA, 2008) Full cite: National Institute on Drug Abuse. ?Volume 1: Secondary School Students?, National Survey Results on Drug Use from The Monitoring the Future Study, 1975-1997. Rockville, MD: Department of Health and Human Services, 1998.


Every minute, one person is injured from an alcohol-related crash.

(Blincoe, et al, 2002; Miller et al, 1998) Full cites: Blincoe, Lawrence, et al. ?The Economic Impact of Motor Vehicle Crashes 2000.? Washington, DC: National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 2002. http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/economic/EconImpact2000/ and Miller, Ted, Diane Lestina, and Rebecca Spicer. ?Highway Crash Costs in the United States by Driver Age, Blood Alcohol Level, Victim Age, and Restraint Use,? Accident Analysis and Prevention, 30, no. 2 (1998): 137-150.


Since 1980 MADD has nearly saved 300,000 lives ...and counting.

(Fell, 1995 and NHTSA FARS data) Full cite: Fell J.C. (1995), "What's New in Alcohol, Drugs and Traffic Safety in the U.S.?" National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, Proceedings of 13th Conference, International Council on Alcohol, Drugs and Traffic Safety, ICADTS, NHMRC Road Accident Research Unit, University of Adelaide, Australia, C.N. Kloeden and A. J. McLean (Editors), T95, pp 329-335

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzxIW_RKIa0

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

You got it hoky!

Zero strike policy. Nobody makes you drink when you are out. I get many bottles of water at bars when I'm driving. Decent people don't kill.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I'm not talking about the repeat offender you see on the news with 10 OUI's who drives without a license and kills someone while $hitfaced. I'm talking about the person that has one too many at a wedding or business function and we both know that almost everyone has been there done that once in their life, the only difference being that most of us were fortunate enough to not have a car beside us that time we swerved out of our lane for a second. Again, not trying to minimize drunk driving, it's a MAJOR problem, but rape is a PREMEDITATED despicable crime. No matter how bad judgement it is, very few drunk drivers get behind the wheel knowing that they are going to kill someone.

 

[collegefan06]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

There are so many posts here today that i've barely scanned that I hope I'm not beng redundant.

First, I don't know exactly what happened but if Trivino assaulted this RA he dserves severe punishment. That said, this just doesn't seem to be adding up to me. I think there are facts we are not aware of and a degree of spin that leaves me with many questions.

I do know that Trivino is well known to be very laid back and not a violent type at all. If he was drunk out of his mind that could have changed things but there tend to be happy drunks and violent drunks and I put him in the first category.

I'm also guessing Trivino was let into this woman's room because there is no way he broke down a locked dorm door. [I just read a more detailed account explaining that he was let into the room...not quite sure why he would have been let in again following his despicable attemts to kiss her, etc as reported the first time her door was open] If he was let in, I can't help but question what transpired after that. I'm guessing this RA and Corey had history...maybe positive and maybe negative. Trivino showed incredibly poor judgement regardless but until the facts come out all we can do is speculate. I don't believe it's beyond the realm of possibility that if this RA had a tense relationship with Trivino and other hockey players that could factor into whatever happened as well as what she alleged.

The second area that just doens't add up is Parker's interview. I've never seen a coach/school official disclose the amount of details and dirty laundry that Parker did in his interview. I'm not an attorney but wonder about the propriety of what all he disclosed to the press given privacy laws that protect students. Make no mistake, I believe that with Trivino's history and this event dismissal from the team was an automatic but the degree Parker went to to plead his position just seems like someone trying too hard to get his sound bites out and is odd to me.

I don't know what happened Sunday night but believe that withholding judgement and delaying his lynching in the press and sports blogs is the appropriate way to go until there is more clarity for everyone to make an informed judgement at that time.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I'm not talking about the repeat offender you see on the news with 10 OUI's who drives without a license and kills someone while $hitfaced. I'm talking about the person that has one too many at a wedding or business function and we both know that almost everyone has been there done that once in their life, the only difference being that most of us were fortunate enough to not have a car beside us that time we swerved out of our lane for a second. Again, not trying to minimize drunk driving, it's a MAJOR problem, but rape is a PREMEDITATED despicable crime. No matter how bad judgement it is, very few drunk drivers get behind the wheel knowing that they are going to kill someone.

A. This is insane. They know they are putting everyone else on the road in danger, even if they do not plan to kill anyone.
B. What if you rape someone when you're drunk and it's not premeditated, and rather just being incoherent. On the decency standards where do they rank compared to Mr DUI

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I'm not talking about the repeat offender you see on the news with 10 OUI's who drives without a license and kills someone while $hitfaced. I'm talking about the person that has one too many at a wedding or business function and we both know that almost everyone has been there done that once in their life, the only difference being that most of us were fortunate enough to not have a car beside us that time we swerved out of our lane for a second. Again, not trying to minimize drunk driving, it's a MAJOR problem, but rape is a PREMEDITATED despicable crime. No matter how bad judgement it is, very few drunk drivers get behind the wheel knowing that they are going to kill someone.

You are so far beyond wrong, it's not worth the time to respond.