Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

uhh kicking him out of school after the first time it happened would have prevented it just fine.

There are plenty of smart students lined up to get into BU in order for a chance to receive one of the best educations the nation has to offer. Instead the school bends over backwards to keep a drunkard on campus who puts other students at risk and is wasting his education.

How would kicking him out of school solve anything? If someone has a drinking problem, it doesn't really matter where they are. According to Parker, people were keeping an eye on Trivino and trying to keep him in line. Would he have gotten that same support if he had been booted and was playing in the AHL or ECHL or wherever he would've ended up? Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same thing to another girl somewhere else? Would it somehow be less disturbing if it happened somewhere else? I just don't understand your logic here.

 

[srsterrier]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Shocking that he did not make it mandatory or he couldnt play. Clearly not enough effort and if that was my daughter, I would be suing school and the team. He basically said he knew it would happen again and that is enabling, not correcting/disciplining/protecting. Could be a huge reach but you wouldnt allow a kid with a drug problem to say no to a treatment program and you sure as heck wouldnt allow him to drink /do drugs certain nights of the weak.

weird

Read BU2K's post. You just don't get it. Same with that proposed lawsuit. Little chance of success. And while we are on the topic of you not getting it, I have not forgotton your post that started this chain:

Originally Posted by Hokdydad
Heard we have a little trouble in paradise? A player moving on ....

I sure hope that you did not know the details when you posted that last night. If you did, that is a pretty callous choice of words for a situation like this. Or is just that when something bad happens at BU, that is a good thing as far as you are concerned?

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

in my mind having little to no punitive consequences for your actions is exactly what leads to this kind of behavior in the first place. Who knows if it was the case for Trivino but seeing the way he acts I wouldn't doubt it. At some point someone has to pay for their actions, if he was forced to pay up earlier maybe he would have changed his ways. Cuz you know...Parker's cronies "keeping an eye on him" worked out real well didn't it?

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Read BU2K's post. You just don't get it. Same with that proposed lawsuit. Little chance of success. And while we are on the topic of you not getting it, I have not forgotton your post that started this chain:



I sure hope that you did not know the details when you posted that last night. If you did, that is a pretty callous choice of words for a situation like this. Or is just that when something bad happens at BU, that is a good thing as far as you are concerned?

Nope, not the case. Nothing but the best for BU/BC and all of the Hockey East programs.
I read his post and it is his opinion and fine. Zero influence on mine though.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Parker did everything he could as a coach (in my opinion). He suggested he had a problem and should get help etc.

As I originally said (echoed by hokydad), Parker very easily could have said (after the third incident), either you get help or you don't play for me again. That is not "doing everything".

Read BU2K's post. You just don't get it.

What doesn't he get?

How would kicking him out of school solve anything? If someone has a drinking problem, it doesn't really matter where they are. According to Parker, people were keeping an eye on Trivino and trying to keep him in line. Would he have gotten that same support if he had been booted and was playing in the AHL or ECHL or wherever he would've ended up? Who's to say he wouldn't have done the same thing to another girl somewhere else? Would it somehow be less disturbing if it happened somewhere else? I just don't understand your logic here.

You don't think expelling someone from a school like BU could send a wake up call? I certainly do. It wouldn't necessarily solve anything, but it could have sent him the ultimate wake up.

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

You don't think expelling someone from a school like BU couldn't send a wake up call? I certainly do. It wouldn't necessarily solve anything, but it could have sent him the ultimate wake up.

This precisely

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

As I originally said (echoed by hokydad), Parker very easily could have said (after the third incident), either you get help or you don't play for me again. That is not "doing everything".

Acording to the various articles and some of FL's tweets, this is pretty much what Parker did. He talked to Trivino several times about getting him help and also told him that if there was another issue then you don't play for me again.

Obviously at that point Trivino didn't accept that he had a problem. Maybe he will now.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

This precisely

But you are saying that with the benefit of hindsight. If he had been kicked off the team earlier, you, JD and others would have been on here talking about how Parker can't relate to his players.

From everything I've read, over the long term, Parker handled the situation perfectly.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

But you are saying that with the benefit of hindsight. If he had been kicked off the team earlier, you, JD and others would have been on here talking about how Parker can't relate to his players.

From everything I've read, over the long term, Parker handled the situation perfectly.

Perfectly is too strong for me, but hey, that's your opinion. And if Parker booted someone for three alcohol related incidents, I would not be saying "he can't relate to his players". I don't even think I've ever said those exact words.

Acording to the various articles and some of FL's tweets, this is pretty much what Parker did. He talked to Trivino several times about getting him help and also told him that if there was another issue then you don't play for me again.

Obviously at that point Trivino didn't accept that he had a problem. Maybe he will now.

Ha, no, you're definitely misunderstanding me. I'm saying after the third incident, Parker could have demanded Trivino get help or else he wouldn't play going forward. Parker only suggested it and Trivino said no.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

BTW, Trivino had to surrender his passport, right? Where is he currently staying? At BU? Can't go home to Toronto...

 

[Bumbles]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

BTW, Trivino had to surrender his passport, right? Where is he currently staying? At BU? Can't go home to Toronto...

Def not BU. Read somewhere he can't be close to the dorms/campus.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Def not BU. Read somewhere he can't be close to the dorms/campus.

Hotel till his next court date in January? Ouch...

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Perfectly is too strong for me, but hey, that's your opinion. And if Parker booted someone for three alcohol related incidents, I would not be saying "he can't relate to his players". I don't even think I've ever said those exact words.

Fair enough, I'll edit "perfectly" to "very well".

Ha, no, you're definitely misunderstanding me. I'm saying after the third incident, Parker could have demanded Trivino get help or else he wouldn't play going forward. Parker only suggested it and Trivino said no.

But what you, Salvo and others are not understanding, is that unless Trivino accepted that he needed help, then that "help" would not have been helpful. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Sounds like after the first there was some internal non published punishment, after the second he was suspended, then after the third (which we were told was minor) he was told that he needed help and there were zero more chances. Its a bummer that the fourth was this extreme of an offense, and not just that he missed practice because he was too hungover.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I believe, based on a former BU player who now plays for another team in the city's twitter, he may be staying there.

 

[Salvo1017]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

If he had been kicked off the team earlier, you, JD and others would have been on here talking about how Parker can't relate to his players.

From everything I've read, over the long term, Parker handled the situation perfectly.

Not in the slightest, I am a big proponent for swift discipline by coaches. While I don't agree he handled the situation perfectly, I take more issue with the BU administration than Parker as a coach.

 

[Bumbles]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Hope the rest of the team can get through this and realize the season is not lost. Still a lot of talent and a lot of room for other players to step up *cough Connolly *cough.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Hope the rest of the team can get through this and realize the season is not lost. Still a lot of talent and a lot of room for other players to step up *cough Connolly *cough.

No doubt...

What do you project for lines? Both long term and for the ND and MC games while Coyle and Clandenning are gone?

 

[mpereira]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

If anyone wants to read something not related to Corey Trivino and actually somewhat positive about BU hockey, we sat down with Sahir Gil yesterday and he had some pretty funny stuff to say including taking shots at the freshman and MacGregor and talking about Escobedo and Parker talking NY-Boston trash

 

[Friend_of_BU_Hockey]

No doubt...

What do you project for lines? Both long term and for the ND and MC games while Coyle and Clandenning are gone?

Assuming both Coyle and Clendening make the US WJC team, I think the lineup for the ND and MC games could be:

Connolly - Gill - Chiasson
Nieto - Hohmann - Rodrigues
Megan - Gaudet - Cisse
Courtnall - Rosen - Gilroy/Santana (if healthy)

Escobedo - Privitera
Nicastro - Ruikka
Noonan - Macgregor

 

[Bumbles]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

No doubt...

What do you project for lines? Both long term and for the ND and MC games while Coyle and Clandenning are gone?

Connolly-Gill-Chiasson
Nieto-Coyle-Cisse
Megan-Hohmann-Rodrigues
Courtnall-Rosen-Gaudet

For WJC games, I can see
Connolly-Gill-Chiasson
Nieto-Hohmann-Cisse
Megan-Gaudet-Rodrigues
Courtnall-Rosen-Gilroy (Santana?)

These are just guesses and lines that I could see playing well. There are other very feasible combos.