Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[shooter27]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

i disagree. He was not 21 with his first incident was he? Or how about the second? The response should be, go to a class get some help and then you can play again. Not if you do it again your gone. That is coddling, we know you have problem, but we don't want to force you to do anything to get help that you do not want to do, your an important player who could play a key role down the road and we do not want you to leave. Lets close our eyes and hope it all works out, or if it blows up, hopefully you are someone elses problem at that point.

Forcing someone to get help NEVER works unless that person accepts and wants the help. In fact, people who are forced to get help generally come out the other side in worse shape because they use the "help" to learn how to cover up their issue so people won't notice. Therefore, by the time people notice again things have really gotten out of control Generally the only thing that gets a person to the point of seeking out help is some type of major consequence (e.g. being kicked off a hockey team). I speak on this from the position of having several family members who have been forced to get help repeatedly and each time come out as a bigger addict. Parker and the coaching staff definitely should have offered help to the kid if he wanted it, they even could have told him, "we think you have a problem and should get help." But forcing help upon him would not have kept this situation from happening, as unfortunate as that is. It may have kept it from happening at BU (e.g. "If you don't get help you're off the team") but it wouldn't have kept it from happening.

 

[Huskies01]

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The comments about an alcohol problem came from a Twitter post, there is apparently a story to come, so we don't know the full extent. We don't know that he wasn't sent to some kind of alcohol consultation, as many BU students who face repeated judicial sanctions for alcohol are required to go to alcohol education classes. If you're insinuating that every time they find out that a college kid was drinking, they should immediately ban him from playing and send him to counseling, you're way out of the spectrum of reality. This is the first time the result of his drinking has lead to damage or harm to others, or himself. It's not like he got drunk and beat somebody up in the past, and they did nothing - to our knowledge. If they had knowledge that he drank a lot very frequently, that's not something they're obligated to act on, and we don't know that they didn't. I can tell you that at every university there are RA's, staff, professors, etc. who know of students who drink excessively and don't do anything.

As I said in my first post, not knowing if they did try to intervene. full story yet to come there. IF they tried and he said no, I wonder why the coach would not toss him at that point? Why do you want to keep someone who seems like they have a problem and does not want to fix it and could down the line cause an issue? Again, just because this was his first time assaulting someone, does not mean the problem was not there. He had been in trouble before.

If they know he drinks, and he has multiple incidents, then I would think trying to intervene is the right thing to do for the person. If they know he drinks, and its not an issue, its not an issue. In this case, there seems to have been known issues.

Me, its not you do it again your gone, its go get help or your gone.

Everybody ultimately is responsible for their own actions. But everybody is always talking about programs whether its football/basketball/hockey on how it makes boys men, and teaches them life lessons. Until something like this happens and then that turns into the coach is not the players mommy. You cannot have it both ways.

Again, I cannot give credit to the coach here for kicking him off the team and not covering it up, that is just doing the right thing. I would like to let the story play out before I start sending out kudos for a job well done by Parker here though. Feels to me like he knew there was a possible problem and did the bare minimum for the kid.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

So it was 4 strikes and you're out for Trivino.

And the penalty got lesser from one case to the next in one instance.

Interesting.

 

[Kdog41109]

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Seems like no one has seen this yet...Parker's reactions to the whole situation via Boston Hockey Blog phone interview:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-trivinos-actions-leave-no.html

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Wait. Why? Was this such a tough decision to make here? We now congratulate people for doing the right thing? Weak.

But I have some questions here for coach Parker. So, you know this student athlete has had problems with drinking before, and in fact, is on warning that if he screws up again, he is booted off the team. When he was made aware of this, was he asked/forced to take a class or two on the dangers of drinking, or something along those lines? Did you perhaps after the first issue, get in touch with his parents and ask, as politely as possible, is there a family history with alcohol abuse, I only ask because we have had a few issues with your son in his short time here, and we would love to get him help so he can continue on with a promising hockey career? And, not as important but, reporters are now saying that coach Parker said it was easy for him to let Corey go because he was on warning. So wait, if he wasn't, he would still be a member of the squad pending charges against him, or the decision would have been tougher?

To me, it seems like this kid has a problem, and was left to hang out to dry by his coach and the university.

I write this pending more information coming out on what might have been done to help this kid after his previous issues. But please, lets not congratulate the coach here for "doing the right thing." The right thing would have been to get him help in the first place so this issue does not happen. Not leave the choice in the hand of a kid who has already proved he cannot handle making the right decision.

And just how do you know that they haven't been trying to help him all along? Do you know something that we don't?

 

[Pucknut]

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Understood and completely fair point.And, reading one of Mookie's subsequent posts, probably a little TOO defensive on my part. But, still wanted to clarify and explain.

As to the substance of the Trevino accusations, if the case is proven then this young man should have his freedom taken away from him for a good amount of time, in addition to school and sports. If true, all of my sympathy is with the victim here.

It is sad all around, but I'm proud of BU, the BU police, and coach Parker for their response.

You’re proud of the school, cops and Parker for doing what they are paid to do? You should be proud of the kids who bust their *** on the ice and are good students in school that don’t get into trouble.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

So it's clear they tried to get him to get help, he didn't take it. Seems like the signs of a kid with an alcohol problem. We don't know what these other newly come to light alcohol-related offenses are, so to speculate would be stupid. We don't know if incident #3 occurred after he was 21, and if it was the result of true alcoholism or just him drinking when he wasn't supposed to be.

 

[Huskies01]

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And just how do you know that they haven't been trying to help him all along? Do you know something that we don't?

which is why I wrote pending more information on what might have been done to help the kid after his previous issues.

I realize the story might not be complete yet. If they attempted to give him help, and he did not want to, I still wonder though why they elected to keep him around.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

which is why I wrote pending more information on what might have been done to help the kid after his previous issues.

I realize the story might not be complete yet. If they attempted to give him help, and he did not want to, I still wonder though why they elected to keep him around.

So if a kid has any kind of problem of some sort, he should immediately be kicked off the team? We all don't know what actually happened behind the scenes, what Corey exactly did, all of what Parker said to him, how Corey responded, etc. so to speculate and form a conclusion about the coaching staff based on what we know is foolish.

 

[Jacques Joubert]

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This stinks for everyone involved. I'm saddened by hearing about this.

First and foremost it's awful for the young woman that was assaulted.

Secondly, it's awful for the remaining members of the BU team, the BU community, and Corey himself.

I'm just glad that the young lady called him on it (takes guts) and that Coach Parker and BU did the right thing.

He now has to face a judge and jury to decide on his actions.

Hopefully he gets the help he needs and is able to resume a promising athletic career.

As an aside...now isn't really the time for anyone involved in a high profile division I athletic program to be misbehaving so badly, is it?

 

[ericredaxe]

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Seems like no one has seen this yet...Parker's reactions to the whole situation via Boston Hockey Blog phone interview:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-trivinos-actions-leave-no.html

Seems as if Parker handled the whole long term situation just about perfectly to me.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Really? It's Parker's fault that the kid tried to assault a girl? So it must be York's fault that a bunch of his players overcrowded into an SUV wasted, then ran away from the cops? It must be York's fault that no one knows why Motherwell was kicked off the team? It must be York's fault that the Atkinson brothers were arrested with their dad for beating a kid up?

I won't speak for the poster, but this is Trivino's fourth alcohol related problem during his time at BU. Parker said that himself. From what I know, all the players you just mentioned had just that one strike against them. And I thought the Atkinson incident happened before they even arrived at BC? Finally, I wouldn't try to compare squeezing into a car and then running from the cops on foot to this Trivino incident. I've certainly run from the cops before...

Seems like no one has seen this yet...Parker's reactions to the whole situation via Boston Hockey Blog phone interview:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-trivinos-actions-leave-no.html

I don't see why Parker couldn't have said unless you get help, you will no longer play for me. I know what Parker said, but I also have to wonder if the latest alcohol related incident was just like the 3rd one and not the magnitude of this one...would he actually have booted him.

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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As I said in my first post, not knowing if they did try to intervene. full story yet to come there. IF they tried and he said no, I wonder why the coach would not toss him at that point? Why do you want to keep someone who seems like they have a problem and does not want to fix it and could down the line cause an issue? Again, just because this was his first time assaulting someone, does not mean the problem was not there. He had been in trouble before.

If they know he drinks, and he has multiple incidents, then I would think trying to intervene is the right thing to do for the person. If they know he drinks, and its not an issue, its not an issue. In this case, there seems to have been known issues.

Me, its not you do it again your gone, its go get help or your gone.

Everybody ultimately is responsible for their own actions. But everybody is always talking about programs whether its football/basketball/hockey on how it makes boys men, and teaches them life lessons. Until something like this happens and then that turns into the coach is not the players mommy. You cannot have it both ways.

Again, I cannot give credit to the coach here for kicking him off the team and not covering it up, that is just doing the right thing. I would like to let the story play out before I start sending out kudos for a job well done by Parker here though. Feels to me like he knew there was a possible problem and did the bare minimum for the kid.

A clear example of someone talking without knowing any of the facts.

The more you write, the less you show that you know about the situation in particular or about coaches handling discipline in general.

Read this:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-trivinos-actions-leave-no.html#more

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I don't see why Parker couldn't have said unless you get help, you will no longer play for me. I know what Parker said, but I also have to wonder if the latest alcohol related incident was just like the 3rd one and not the magnitude of this one...would he actually have booted him.

I think he would've. It's just like the Glass situation. Glass was given the ultimatum of, "If you miss or show up late to another team activity without explanation, you're gone." He missed a team activity (even if it was optional) without explanation, so he was booted. I talked to Parker as well, and he specifically said it didn't matter what Trivino did. If he had another alcohol-related issue, he was gone. Parker said that's why it was so easy to not even bother waiting to see how the legal process played out.

 

[J.D.]

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Glass was given the ultimatum of, "If you miss or show up late to another team activity without explanation, you're gone." He missed a team activity (even if it was optional) without explanation, so he was booted.

I still don't understand this, but whatever...

 

[ericredaxe]

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I won't speak for the poster, but this is Trivino's fourth alcohol related problem during his time at BU. Parker said that himself. From what I know, all the players you just mentioned had just that one strike against them. And I thought the Atkinson incident happened before they even arrived at BC? Finally, I wouldn't try to compare squeezing into a car and then running from the cops on foot to this Trivino incident. I've certainly run from the cops before....

If I may speak for the brassbonanza, he was responding to a BU "fan", that for a long time has had an axe to grind with Parker and is now using the Trivino incident in a dispicable way by somehow insinuating that it was Parkers fault.

I dont think bonanza was comparing the incidents, just using them as an example that the Trivino incident is no more Jack's fault than whatever Motherwell did would have been Jerry's

 

[Harry Cleverly]

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This stinks for everyone involved. I'm saddened by hearing about this.

First and foremost it's awful for the young woman that was assaulted.

Secondly, it's awful for the remaining members of the BU team, the BU community, and Corey himself.

I'm just glad that the young lady called him on it (takes guts) and that Coach Parker and BU did the right thing.

He now has to face a judge and jury to decide on his actions.

Hopefully he gets the help he needs and is able to resume a promising athletic career.

As an aside...now isn't really the time for anyone involved in a high profile division I athletic program to be misbehaving so badly, is it?

Exactly.

 

[KnightsOfTheRound]

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You’re proud of the school, cops and Parker for doing what they are paid to do? You should be proud of the kids who bust their *** on the ice and are good students in school that don’t get into trouble.

This comment makes no sense. Isn't busting their *** on the ice, being good students, and not getting into trouble what the players are supposed to do? Under your theory that wouldn't be worthy of praise at all.

 

[Huskies01]

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A clear example of someone talking without knowing any of the facts.

The more you write, the less you show that you know about the situation in particular or about coaches handling discipline in general.

Read this:

http://www.thebostonhockeyblog.com/2011/12/parker-trivinos-actions-leave-no.html#more

Genius, that came out AFTER my post, which is why i said in both of my posts, full story yet to come.

I also do not follow twitter full time.

 

[brassbonanza]

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If I may speak for the brassbonanza, he was responding to a BU "fan", that for a long time has had an axe to grind with Parker and is now using the Trivino incident in a dispicable way by somehow insinuating that it was Parkers fault.

I dont think bonanza was comparing the incidents, just using them as an example that the Trivino incident is no more Jack's fault than whatever Motherwell did would have been Jerry's

ding ding, we have a winner. of course the incidents are not on the same level as each other, just that they're not the "fault" of the coach.