Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[collegefan06]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Parker explained why Trivino was kicked off of the team: that it was his fourth alcohol-related incident, that they wanted him to get help previously and when he chose not to was given the ultimatum that he was out of any more chances.

He didn't give a play-by-play of the alleged incident with the RA.

Easy Harry, I didn't claim he said anything regarding the events in the dorm. He just went into intricate detail about a student (seems these matters are confidential by law), his alleged issues, how they were handled so that nobody would dare question that JP was in any way responsible. I'm not implying JP is responsible in any way but there's this look of running from the broken glass on the floor so nobody will think I dropped it. I intrepretted his comments as out of character for him with a little distancing going on.

Just my take that his interview came across oddly to me although I 100% support Trivino's swift dismissal from the team. As others have said, I find this whole incident terribly sad.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Went to the BU-Villanova basketball game...set the sport back 50 years. First half was a debacle for both teams, only BU could maintain the effort for a whole game. #1 for BU single handedly took the game over with repeated quick look three attempts that were lucky to catch any iron. The whole team fell apart in the second half and #1 stayed out there and kept shooting. The crowd was yelling for VU to not cover him so he'd get the ball and launch another brick. Stunning that Jones left him in the game as long as they did. At one point we had BU scoring 5 points in a ~15 minute span including the end of the first and start of the second...I'll grant the terriers that the refs appeared to be members of the VU booster club but nobody could have overcome the feeble effort from BU. Really disappointed that they lost big AND looked like a badly coached high school team..

Don't follow the basketball team consistently, but isn't #1 like the 2nd or 3rd leading scorer in the country? If so, I can't really fault the coaching staff for leaving him in, and can't fault the player for continuing to put them up.... sometimes your next shot is the one that gets you on a hot streak. At the same time, America East teams are not supposed to beat Big East teams. Things will seem better when we get into the America East schedule.

 

[BU Fan 84]

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So I heard about this early Monday and I haven't posted in a long time, but it has drawn me back in. I am a criminal defense attorney so it has been interesting to read some of your responses and reactions. For one thing, I hope J.D. never serves on a jury for a criminal matter after his "Trivino is not innocent" post. But I digress.

People are referring to him on other sites as a rapist and there's a discussion in this thread about rapists in general. People here on this thread are referring to him as a terrible person, he committed a despicable act, etc. So here is my question, and I suppose it is a little impossible to truthfully answer at this point since this isn't the case, but what would your reaction be if the three counts of breaking and entering in the nighttime and one count of assault with attempt to rape were not charged? In other words, if the words burglary and attempted rape weren't in any articles about this incident, how would you feel about it and Corey's innocence/guilt? You'd be reading an article about a heavily intoxicated college student who apparently walked through a door that was opened for him, grabbed an RA and kissed her, on three repeated occassions, and he was charged with three counts of indecent assault and battery.

 

[defkit]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Wow this devolved. I would say rape is an extremely heinous crime that I would rank up with drunk driving leading to manslaughter. Whether you think one requires a different level of insanity, the other leads to someone being dead. Both awful. I don't think we can call what happened "rape" by the normal standard going off the police reports and info so far. The indecent assault charge is more likely to stick, and I agree with pirate, I'd rather hear someone was emotionally distraught but police arrived before anything worse happened than someone was struck and killed.

I agree - based on what I have read, I don't consider this a rape situation. I don't want to minimize the trauma that the RA may have gone through, but to me this is a case of an extremely drunk college student, who has a big head because he is a BMOC, and he decides he wants to try to convince this RA to have some fun with him. If he wanted to rape her, he would have been violent with her from the point of first resistance, and he would not have left the first time that he did. I don't think a rape would have resulted in comments like, "Corey, you need to leave", but rather high pitched screams.

Again, I'm not saying Trivino should get any breaks here, and he clearly has a problem with alcohol, but I think it is going overboard to call the events "attempted rape" (based on what I have read). All the history with him is with alcohol, we haven't heard any history of him being violent with women, or for that matter, anyone.

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

in my mind having little to no punitive consequences for your actions is exactly what leads to this kind of behavior in the first place.

Despite what many others have reiterated here, you just don't get it. You CANNOT force someone to "get help." My wife was previously married to an alcoholic. For seven years she thought that she would be able to "help him." But after seven years of his walking through the door drunk at four in the morning, she gave up.

Just exactly what "punitive consequences" do you think should have been taken? You act as if you're SO concerned for his welfare. I see a trend here...this is an easy opportunity for the BU haters to get in another "shot" at anything BU. This is not about rivalries and which school is "better." This is about a person who would not accept responsibility for his actions. That's right - whatever happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

Would Corey have had a better support system anywhere else? And why does this society always attempt to find a scapegoat for everything? Why do we always have to BLAME someone? It is not ANYONE ELSE'S reponsibility to "get help" for him. And, as was previously mentioned, it is CERTAINLY not MORE of a responsibility for his coach and teammates than it is for his parents/family.

 

[Patronick]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I suggesting there's good reason for BU alums to be embarrassed by his behavior.

Says the guy supporting the team with the elephant walkers.

 

[True Blue Fan]

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As a father of two boys ages 9 and 14, I just hope this young man is able to get the help he needs. Alchohal and all that surrounds a drinking problem can have a devastating impact on the rest of this young man's life, and he will have to deal with the consequences of his actions going forward from this incident.

The hatred and virulent posts are sad to see, let those of us who have never made a mistake judge.

 

[Jacques Joubert]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I have to say that although this is certainly a newsworthy event, I find all this speculation wildly irresponsible.

Corey clearly screwed up, to what extent only he and the woman involved now know.

If she felt the need to place this in the hands of the authorities then he clearly behaved pretty badly.

Nobody can deny that Coach Parker did the right thing, especially since he has been warned about his behavior in the past.

Should he have been on the team considering past transgressions? I don't really know what those were so I can't say.

I think we should leave this to the system and leave the commentary to those of us who might actually know some facts.

 

[ericredaxe]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Do you think we might see Hohmann between Gill and Connolly?

 

[Jacques Joubert]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Do you think we might see Hohmann between Gill and Connolly?

Seems too small a line to me. I always think it's better to have one smaller puck handler between a couple of big guys.

I wouldn't mind seeing this:

Coyle-Connolly-Chiasson

Megan-Nieto-Gill

Courtnall-Hohmann-Rodrigues

Gaudet-Rosen-Cisse

Looks well balanced in size and skill to me...

But I'm not in charge.

 

[candycanes99]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Do you think we might see Hohmann between Gill and Connolly?

With Coyle gone to WJC, I'm thinking we might even see Connolly back at center. After that, maybe.

Edit: Hah, beat me JJ.

 

[Hokydad]

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Despite what many others have reiterated here, you just don't get it. .

Please stop with the patronizing, "you people don't get it". Yes, everyone does get it. The point has nothing to do with if he wanted help or not, nothing what so ever. It has to do with a school giving a kid a scholarship, knowing he has been in trouble 3 times to date, which means many more not caught, and allowing him to continue playing. That is insane talk. How can you have a kid who is only 21 now, which means the other times he was not only drinking but doing so illegaly and against the law.

Obviously you have to want to be helped to really be helped.

The point is simple, which you clearly don't get. It is a priviledge to play hockey at BU and to have the school give you a 200K + scholarship. With that comes responsibility.

You dont get to not go to team meetings, you dont get to skip off ice sessions, you can't say, "practices are not my thing"

If a kid, any kid, has a known issue as serious as this it should clearly be a condition of team participation. Not a , if you want to great, if not, dont. As we all know, drinking issues will almost always get worse over time, why hand it off to the next team?

I would also bet that most coaches thru the assistants captains, strength guys etc has more inside info and a better feeling than most parents do during those 4 years. It is a shame that it has gotten to this point and based upon the number of clear signals, it looks like it might have/couldhave been avoided.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Hokydad with a post 100% full of win.

 

[J.D.]

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I am a criminal defense attorney so it has been interesting to read some of your responses and reactions. For one thing, I hope J.D. never serves on a jury for a criminal matter after his "Trivino is not innocent" post. But I digress.

Listen punk, I couldn't care less what your occupation is. As I already stated, I don't think Trivino is guilty of all the charges against him. I don't think he'll be convicted of all those charges either. However, that does not make him innocent. He will be found guilty of SOMETHING. That is my opinion.

Despite what many others have reiterated here, you just don't get it. You CANNOT force someone to "get help." My wife was previously married to an alcoholic. For seven years she thought that she would be able to "help him." But after seven years of his walking through the door drunk at four in the morning, she gave up.

Just exactly what "punitive consequences" do you think should have been taken? You act as if you're SO concerned for his welfare. I see a trend here...this is an easy opportunity for the BU haters to get in another "shot" at anything BU. This is not about rivalries and which school is "better." This is about a person who would not accept responsibility for his actions. That's right - whatever happened to PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY?

Would Corey have had a better support system anywhere else? And why does this society always attempt to find a scapegoat for everything? Why do we always have to BLAME someone? It is not ANYONE ELSE'S reponsibility to "get help" for him. And, as was previously mentioned, it is CERTAINLY not MORE of a responsibility for his coach and teammates than it is for his parents/family.

I don't know what's so hard to grasp about this concept. You're right, Parker couldn't force Trivino to get help. However, he could have made it mandatory IF Trivino wanted to continue playing at BU. I hate BU as much as anyone, but as I've said, this is more of a statement on an individual than it is the university. The only thing I took exception to is people who say Parker handled Trivino "perfectly". I just don't agree with that. Perfectly is way too strong a word for me here. This was the fourth alcohol related incident. I would have booted him after the third. If people disagree with that, I have no problem with that opinion. It's not like I'm calling for Parker's head and I certainly respect him kicking Trivino off the team now, in the middle of a developing season. If this was SEC football, the player would have been allowed due process before severe punishment from his school. So, for that, I give Parker credit.

I have to say that although this is certainly a newsworthy event, I find all this speculation wildly irresponsible.

Corey clearly screwed up, to what extent only he and the woman involved now know.

Should he have been on the team considering past transgressions? I don't really know what those were so I can't say.

I think we should leave this to the system and leave the commentary to those of us who might actually know some facts.

I'm curious as to what specific speculation you're referring to. I know I've only gone off of what's been reported. As for my basis for saying I think Trivino should have been booted...I was under the impression he had three prior alcohol related offenses. If that's the case, I think he should have been gone on strike three. I can understand shooting down true speculation, but there shouldn't be any problems with people voicing opinions about what's been reported.

 

[limey]

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Please stop with the patronizing, "you people don't get it". Yes, everyone does get it. The point has nothing to do with if he wanted help or not, nothing what so ever. It has to do with a school giving a kid a scholarship, knowing he has been in trouble 3 times to date, which means many more not caught, and allowing him to continue playing. That is insane talk. How can you have a kid who is only 21 now, which means the other times he was not only drinking but doing so illegaly and against the law.

Obviously you have to want to be helped to really be helped.

The point is simple, which you clearly don't get. It is a priviledge to play hockey at BU and to have the school give you a 200K + scholarship. With that comes responsibility.

You dont get to not go to team meetings, you dont get to skip off ice sessions, you can't say, "practices are not my thing"

If a kid, any kid, has a known issue as serious as this it should clearly be a condition of team participation. Not a , if you want to great, if not, dont. As we all know, drinking issues will almost always get worse over time, why hand it off to the next team?

I would also bet that most coaches thru the assistants captains, strength guys etc has more inside info and a better feeling than most parents do during those 4 years. It is a shame that it has gotten to this point and based upon the number of clear signals, it looks like it might have/couldhave been avoided.

Although I don't disagree with your post in the general sense, I do disagree with it as applied here. You don't know the seriousness of the prior offenses, but all signs point to them being relatively minor issues (e.g., having a beer or two underage, being hungover for practice, or the like) rather than some sordid history of violent crime or assault. Assuming that these were all generally minor infractions, I don't see any reason why Trevino needed some sort of "go to counseling or you will, in effect, be kicked out of college" ultimatum. I think Parker giving Trevino the responsibility to shape up or ship out was totally within reason.

Also, I think the comparisons of Trevino to a raging alcoholic or a drug addict are hyperbole and overblown. I would guess that the majority of kids in college drink in excess more than a few times. Does that mean that every college student needs a "get treatment or you're expelled" type treatment?

 

[Hokydad]

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Although I don't disagree with your post in the general sense, I do disagree with it as applied here. You don't know the seriousness of the prior offenses, but all signs point to them being relatively minor issues (e.g., having a beer or two underage, being hungover for practice, or the like) rather than some sordid history of violent crime or assault. Assuming that these were all generally minor infractions, I don't see any reason why Trevino needed some sort of "go to counseling or you will, in effect, be kicked out of college" ultimatum. I think Parker giving Trevino the responsibility to shape up or ship out was totally within reason.

Also, I think the comparisons of Trevino to a raging alcoholic or a drug addict are hyperbole and overblown. I would guess that the majority of kids in college drink in excess more than a few times. Does that mean that every college student needs a "get treatment or you're expelled" type treatment?

good points.
In a phone interview with the Daily Free Press on Monday, Parker said this is the fourth alcohol-related incident the 21-year-old Trivino has been punished by the team for in his three-plus years at BU.

These incidents are due to what Parker believes is a serious drinking problem.

“There is no question in my mind it's an alcohol problem,” Parker said. “I did [ask him to get treatment], but he didn’t think it was for him.”

If there is no question in your mind that a kid on your team has a serious drinking problem, deal with it. Dont simply hope he doesnt get caught

"Parker said Trivino was watching the Patriots game earlier Sunday afternoon with some teammates. They were together for a while before a few of Trivino’s teammates put him to bed because he was so drunk, Parker said."

“The only thing you can do to help a kid with an alcohol problem is get him to stop drinking.”

"Trivino was in accordance with team rules Sunday night as far as consuming alcohol is concerned. Players 21 years or older are allowed to drink on Saturday nights or on other designated nights as chosen by the coaching staff.

Parker said Sunday night was one of those specified nights because the team had just returned from a three-day road trip to play the University of New Hampshire and the University of Maine. "


You say the only way to help him is to make him stop drinking but you than set up and designate which nights he can drink? And have his teammates put him to bed because he is so drunk? Seems weird to me

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

The only thing I took exception to is people who say Parker handled Trivino "perfectly".

My only reason for the post was to rebut the people who insist on saying that the school (or Parker, or whomever) should have "gotten him help." Nobody can "get him help" if he doesn't acknowledge that he has a problem and refuses to be helped. The buck stops with HIM. I never meant to insinuate that Parker "handled it perfectly." My comments were CONFINED to my assertion that everyone wants to blame someone else (they should have done this...they should have done that). Well, "THEY" can't do anything - the person who is affected must be the one to take action. The issue of whether he still should have been on the team in the first place was not one that I was attempting to address, so if by "getting him help" you mean that he should have been kicked off the team earlier, I don't see how this directly addreses the alcohol problem (except that it just passes the buck to someone else by ridding the school of the student and therefore, by extension, the problem). I was only commenting on the futility of trying to "get help" for someone who doesn't want it. And all I can say to those who disagree is that you obviously have never encountered this type of situation.

 

[chickod]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Please stop with the patronizing, "you people don't get it". Yes, everyone does get it. The point has nothing to do with if he wanted help or not, nothing what so ever. It has to do with a school giving a kid a scholarship, knowing he has been in trouble 3 times to date, which means many more not caught, and allowing him to continue playing. That is insane talk. How can you have a kid who is only 21 now, which means the other times he was not only drinking but doing so illegaly and against the law.

read the comment above...

Obviously you have to want to be helped to really be helped.

It's not that "obvious," which is why several people on here have related their experiences in that regard.

The point is simple, which you clearly don't get. It is a priviledge to play hockey at BU and to have the school give you a 200K + scholarship. With that comes responsibility.

As I said, I wasn't commenting on whether he should have been kicked out earlier; my comments were confined to the complaints that the school should have "gotten him help."

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

As I said, I wasn't commenting on whether he should have been kicked out earlier; my comments were confined to the complaints that the school should have "gotten him help."[/QUOTE]

Good points but in hindsight they should have. If you simply read the interview it is almost crying out for help.

I agree that you need to want to be helped to be helped but it doesnt seem logical to give the person with the "disability" the right to determine treatment and it makes less sense to have designated nights they can get drunk and put to bed.

Sounds like his parents might have a beef here as well

Also, not trying to beat a dead horse and not talking about any specific player any more. for all anyone knows might have been clean for months and slipped up. All speculation

Talking big picture now

 

[limey]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

You're mixing apples with oranges here. The fact that the team (including Trivino) is permitted to drink has nothing to do with the ban on any more alcohol related "incidents" imposed on Trivino. I think Parker would be hard pressed to impose or enforce a "no drinking" policy on any 21+ year old player. And I don't read anything about a policy where hockey players are "allowed" (which suggests sanctioned or encouraged) to get drunk and get put to bed.

Moreover, you're taking what Parker is saying out of context. I don't read that to say that Trivino has a drinking problem (such as dependence) but instead that the root of the problems (e.g., missing practice) is alcohol, as opposed to, for example, laziness or incompetence.

I know you have an axe to grind with Parker, but let me ask this. Assume that you have a 19-year old son who commutes from home to college and lives with you. Generally, he is a nice kid, has no history of drinking, violent crime or drug use. Then assume he gets caught splitting a 6-pack of Bud Light with 2 of his buddies in the nearby public park by the police and they bring him home by the scruff of his neck. A year later, he is at a friend's house party on the school campus and the campus police break it up and give him a citation for drinking underage. Now assume, 3 months after his 21st birthday, he gets very drunk with his friends on a Thursday night after handing in a big mid-term assignment, takes a cab home, and misses a morning class.

Further assuming that he has no other "infraction" and is otherwise a good student, at which point in this scenario do you send your son to rehab?