Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

[pirate]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

If this was your daughter and a 21 year old was arrested for, "charged with two counts of breaking and entering in the nighttime and one count of assault with attempt to rape."

Would you say, he is just immature? In her room and not safe? Judges look at this in the same light as home invasion and in Massachusetts it is sacred ground and will not get brushed under the rug. All of this is of course if it is true. Clearly you need to let it sort itself out but any benefit of the doubt would go to the young lady who did nothing wrong.

I didn't read the post as excusing his behavior; I know I earlier had asked people what Trivino's previous behavior was like...not for excusing nor condemning. I simply was curious what type of guy he was, other than this. I think that will influence how things go for him in the courts and in his hopeful effort to be a better person in the future.

 

[mookie1995]

And I keep trying to put myself in Corey's shoes.

On top of the world. Just scored two goals in a big game. Leading scorer on team. BMOC. Drunk. Arogant. I'm almost sort of getting the delusional impulse..

reads like trivino was trying to put himself in joe namath's shoes... "I just wanna kiss you...."

Either way, *******. Bye.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

How you can plow through "stop signs" from a woman in this day and age? - I don't care how drunk you are. Unreal. Jesus, this sucks. And a true black-eye to the University and program. Fair or not, that's how it works.

Okay BU hockey team. You're down by 3 goals in the 3rd. What are you going to do about it? Hopefully opportunity and adversity will make them stronger.

And I'll 3rd the kudos to the RA for having the guts to call the authorities.

BU Hockey: Rise Above

This hopefully can serve as a rallying point for them to rise above this adversity and come out a better team on the other side. Fortunately, they have the 18 day break to regroup themselves mentally and hopefully come back a little more clear-headed and together.

A side note, the report says that the RA is required to open her door when anyone knocks on it. If she feels as though she's in immediate danger, as she clearly felt here, she's still required to open the door? What if she looked through the peephole and saw he was holding a weapon of some kind, she's required to open the door to see if he has a question about something? There has to, or should, be something in the RA policy that allows her to place her own safety above the general duties of an RA. If that was the allowed, she could've left the door closed and locked for her safety and called police. BUPD is literally across the street from StuVi 2, so they would've been there in about 30 seconds. Shame on BU if there isn't some allowance for the RA to place her own safety above her role as RA.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I think the theory is, if he was so intoxicated that he could not comprehend or control his actions, it's sort of like a temporary insanity defense. I'm not a lawyer either, but in my very, very basic understanding of the law, it would seem these two defenses are somewhat similar. I would think his lawyer might also argue that since according to the police report, he did nothing more than attempt to kiss her, and did not forcibly throw her on her bed, try to remove any clothing, hit or punch her in any way in an attempt to get her to accept his advances, that the rape and assault charges should either be amended or thrown out. It might be a case where the police and DA overcharged on purpose knowing it'll likely get downgraded by a judge.

Either way, his actions are deplorable, insane, and he has no one to blame but himself, and I'm glad the program disassociated themselves from him immediately.

"According to the BU Police Department police report, obtained from Brighton District Court, the incident began when the RA heard individuals of a room being extremely loud. The RA went to the room to tell them to quiet down, and Trivino followed her back to her room and pushed her door open, the report states. She said in the report that she told Trivino to go back to his room, but instead he allegedly started kissing and groping the victim. The victim told Trivino he was being inappropriate and should leave her room, and he left, according to the police report.

A few minutes later, Trivino allegedly returned and was banging on her door. The RA opened the door slightly and Trivino tried to kiss her, but she pushed him away, according to the police report. The RA said in the police report that she told Trivino “You need to stop,” and “You need to go.” Trivino allegedly cornered the victim by her desk and attempted to kiss her as she pushed him away, the police report said. She said in the police report that she managed to get him to leave at that time and she then texted a friend for help.

Trivino then returned a third time and banged loudly on the door, according to the report. The victim said in the report that she needed to open the door as part of her RA duties. Trivino allegedly forced his way in again and tried to kiss her
"

Cornering, groping and pushing way into her room is more than attempting to kiss her.

 

[Split-N]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Again, I'm not an attorney so I don't want to come across as being some sort of legal expert. However, there will almost certainly be some plea bargaining and it would not be too much of a stretch to assume that attempted rape might be bargained down to some form of sexual assault. B&E is the nighttime might be bargained down to something like trespassing.

In cases like this, cops almost always file the most serious charges available in anticipation that they will be plea-bargained down to something less. From the DA's point of view, they're more likely to bargain if they don't think the more serious charges will stick or if they can avoid a jury trial by getting guilty pleas to lesser charges. Of course, the feelings and viewpoints of the victim also play into the calculus.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

How you can plow through "stop signs" from a woman in this day and age? - I don't care how drunk you are. Unreal. Jesus, this sucks. And a true black-eye to the University and program. Fair or not, that's how it works.

Don't drink the Rover kool-aid. This happens at a lot of places. Just doesn't always involve "star" athletes. I don't think this is a black eye for the university at all. In fact, the way they responded should be put out there and acknowledged.

 

[Scarlet]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

HE WENT BACK THREE TIMES!!!! (!!!???)

Unreal.

This is the part that bothers me. JFC. Three times! I shudder to think what might have happened if it wasn't an RA. We might not be talking about this at all as a non RA might be too scared or traumatized to notify authorities.

 

[Hokydad]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

This hopefully can serve as a rallying point for them to rise above this adversity and come out a better team on the other side. Fortunately, they have the 18 day break to regroup themselves mentally and hopefully come back a little more clear-headed and together.

A side note, the report says that the RA is required to open her door when anyone knocks on it. If she feels as though she's in immediate danger, as she clearly felt here, she's still required to open the door? What if she looked through the peephole and saw he was holding a weapon of some kind, she's required to open the door to see if he has a question about something? There has to, or should, be something in the RA policy that allows her to place her own safety above the general duties of an RA. If that was the allowed, she could've left the door closed and locked for her safety and called police. BUPD is literally across the street from StuVi 2, so they would've been there in about 30 seconds. Shame on BU if there isn't some allowance for the RA to place her own safety above her role as RA.

I am sure there is. Just because he said it to her doesnt mean it is a black and white policy

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

A side note, the report says that the RA is required to open her door when anyone knocks on it. If she feels as though she's in immediate danger, as she clearly felt here, she's still required to open the door? What if she looked through the peephole and saw he was holding a weapon of some kind, she's required to open the door to see if he has a question about something? There has to, or should, be something in the RA policy that allows her to place her own safety above the general duties of an RA. If that was the allowed, she could've left the door closed and locked for her safety and called police. BUPD is literally across the street from StuVi 2, so they would've been there in about 30 seconds. Shame on BU if there isn't some allowance for the RA to place her own safety above her role as RA.

Agree...seems like common sense.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I didn't read the post as excusing his behavior; I know I earlier had asked people what Trivino's previous behavior was like...not for excusing nor condemning. I simply was curious what type of guy he was, other than this. I think that will influence how things go for him in the courts and in his hopeful effort to be a better person in the future.

I would think the courts will have trouble taking into account rumors and stories from other students of what he may or may not have done in the past that are difficult to substantiate and, from what we know, do not exceed the level of a college student being a moron. I doubt a judge would want to have a parade of girls walking in testifying that Trivino told her she had a nice rack in the elevator one time.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

"According to the BU Police Department police report, obtained from Brighton District Court, the incident began when the RA heard individuals of a room being extremely loud. The RA went to the room to tell them to quiet down, and Trivino followed her back to her room and pushed her door open, the report states. She said in the report that she told Trivino to go back to his room, but instead he allegedly started kissing and groping the victim. The victim told Trivino he was being inappropriate and should leave her room, and he left, according to the police report.

A few minutes later, Trivino allegedly returned and was banging on her door. The RA opened the door slightly and Trivino tried to kiss her, but she pushed him away, according to the police report. The RA said in the police report that she told Trivino “You need to stop,” and “You need to go.” Trivino allegedly cornered the victim by her desk and attempted to kiss her as she pushed him away, the police report said. She said in the police report that she managed to get him to leave at that time and she then texted a friend for help.

Trivino then returned a third time and banged loudly on the door, according to the report. The victim said in the report that she needed to open the door as part of her RA duties. Trivino allegedly forced his way in again and tried to kiss her
"

Cornering, groping and pushing way into her room is more than attempting to kiss her.

Ah, yeah, missed that part. Dumbass.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

HE WENT BACK THREE TIMES!!!! (!!!???)

Trivino's first career hat trick?

Seriously though, I really don't think this is a black eye on the school. Probably not even the program. They did the right thing and did it quickly.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Totally agree that this was the honorable thing to do, rather than hide behind the "innocent (and eligible) until proven guilty" excuse. On that note, I can't help but wonder how this would be playing out if Trivino were a football or basketball player at a big-time BCS school.

Google "Peyton Manning Tennessee sexual harassment", and you'll find one example.

 

[IcyDan]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I don't know if someone's said this already, and I don't mean to sound like I'm excusing Trivino's actions at all, but where the hell were his buddies and/or teammates? You'd think someone would have told him to cut the crap and leave her alone. Just really foolish on so many counts, and I feel bad for everyone involved.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Trivino's first career hat trick?

I have to say, I lol'd. I kind of feel bad that I did, but I did.

 

[brassbonanza]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I don't know if someone's said this already, and I don't mean to sound like I'm excusing Trivino's actions at all, but where the hell were his buddies and/or teammates? You'd think someone would have told him to cut the crap and leave her alone. Just really foolish on so many counts, and I feel bad for everyone involved.

Perhaps they were in the other room and didn't know or pay attention to where he went, or perhaps he wasn't even hanging out with them. If they were all drinking, it's not like they were going to follow him and say "Hey Corey, don't go assault that RA!" Perhaps in between attempts, he didn't return to the room, so they may not have had any idea this was all going on. The police report doesn't seem to set a scope of how long it took all of this to play out. Or perhaps they were all hooked on the Giants-Cowboys game going on at the time and didn't notice him leave, since this would have occurred right around the fourth quarter.

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

I don't know if someone's said this already, and I don't mean to sound like I'm excusing Trivino's actions at all, but where the hell were his buddies and/or teammates? You'd think someone would have told him to cut the crap and leave her alone. Just really foolish on so many counts, and I feel bad for everyone involved.

No evidence that any of them knew what he did/was doing...

 

[mookie1995]

This is the part that bothers me. JFC. Three times! I shudder to think what might have happened if it wasn't an RA. We might not be talking about this at all as a non RA might be too scared or traumatized to notify authorities.

Does he live there?
Is that his floor and his RA?
Has he had a thing for her for awhile?
Was he visiting?
Teammates?
Did they egg him on after the first attempt?
2nd?
"she turned you down?!? I heard her say she likes you.."
"she is just playing hard to get. Try again."
These people he was being loud with..did they know he was going back?

Joe kept trying, and trying, to kiss Suzy too...

 

[J.D.]

Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

Aren't there cases where senior athletes already "graduated"? Did he reach that point?

 

[mookie1995]

Aren't there cases where senior athletes already "graduated"? Did he reach that point?

I read he is in Met. That's like an open enrollment night school. You (or anyone else) can go over tomorrow and enroll in classes. Your degree from met even has MET COLLEGE printed on it so people who see it don't get it confused with BU proper.