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Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Terrible turn of events for BU, and Trivino and perhaps the victim.

- Let us not jump to any conclusions. We all know the media and even the authorities can absolutely BOTCH the living daylights out of stories (see Tomase from the Herald for a good example of bad journalism and the BC T incident for a good example of jumpy bacon botchery)
- I've read conflicting reports on the plea. Did he enter a NG or guilty plea?
- Any legal experts know what type of punishment he could be looking at if he entered a guilty plea or gets convicted after a NG plea?
- This is another good example of so many things when dealing with college athletics. A program's image is completely at the whim of 18-25 year olds (or if you're Merrimack, 20-25 year olds) and their decisions. No coach can truly have "control" over what these kids are doing - they can only do their best to minimize the likelihood of these things happening. Character has to be placed at a premium when recruiting kids. And even then there are no guarantees as we've all learned.
- Does Jack's drinking team have a hockey problem?
- For whatever reason, I just feel bad for Trivino. Tough go of it for him, two injuries, finally gets going this year and boom... one bad decision can ruin everything. A tough lesson for him and hopefully other kids on the team and around the league can learn from his potential mistake. Knowing what we know about the American legal system, it's tough not to feel bad for a kid from Canada having to deal with this mess of a legal system here. And obviously this is not exactly a good time of the year to have to deal with this for the entire Trivino family.
- I'm hoping this wasn't as serious to the victim as the charges sound. Maybe it was a bit more innocent than it seems but it was called in and reported and has blown up a bit.
- I wonder what Todd thinks now after promising Trivino all the BU coeds when he was 17 and visiting at the Beanpot.
- Honest question - which HE team has booted the most players in the last 5 years... Vermont or BU?
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Nick -- Absolutely one of the classiest and clear-headed posts ever, and from a BC fan! Kudos! The only gripe I would have is that you have marginalized the victim's experience in comparison to what the player and his family are going through. Still, most posters would expect a BC fan to spit gasoline-vapored vitriol at the BU program in general, and particularly at the player and coach (well, there was the one snarky Parker comment which was quite good.) You chose not to do that -- and I applaud you for your discretion to follow the high road.
 
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srsterrier said:
It is not so simple to do that - especially these days when kids are regularly recruited at 15-16 like Trivino was. He had a reputation in Toronto as a good kid and a hard worker. Obviously alcohol got in the way. But it is not that easy to predict that.
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I think the most appropriate word to describe Trivino is...immature...Met him several times and he seems like a good kid, but immature (even for a 21 year-old). Immaturity mixed with alcohol can lead to very stupid decisions.
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
Terrible turn of events for BU, and Trivino and perhaps the victim.

- Let us not jump to any conclusions. We all know the media and even the authorities can absolutely BOTCH the living daylights out of stories (see Tomase from the Herald for a good example of bad journalism and the BC T incident for a good example of jumpy bacon botchery)
- I've read conflicting reports on the plea. Did he enter a NG or guilty plea?
- Any legal experts know what type of punishment he could be looking at if he entered a guilty plea or gets convicted after a NG plea?
- This is another good example of so many things when dealing with college athletics. A program's image is completely at the whim of 18-25 year olds (or if you're Merrimack, 20-25 year olds) and their decisions. No coach can truly have "control" over what these kids are doing - they can only do their best to minimize the likelihood of these things happening. Character has to be placed at a premium when recruiting kids. And even then there are no guarantees as we've all learned.
- Does Jack's drinking team have a hockey problem?
- For whatever reason, I just feel bad for Trivino. Tough go of it for him, two injuries, finally gets going this year and boom... one bad decision can ruin everything. A tough lesson for him and hopefully other kids on the team and around the league can learn from his potential mistake. Knowing what we know about the American legal system, it's tough not to feel bad for a kid from Canada having to deal with this mess of a legal system here. And obviously this is not exactly a good time of the year to have to deal with this for the entire Trivino family.
- I'm hoping this wasn't as serious to the victim as the charges sound. Maybe it was a bit more innocent than it seems but it was called in and reported and has blown up a bit.
- I wonder what Todd thinks now after promising Trivino all the BU coeds when he was 17 and visiting at the Beanpot.
- Honest question - which HE team has booted the most players in the last 5 years... Vermont or BU?
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Nick, if this was a random student that broke into a young girls room and groped her, would you feel bad for him? You have to be kidding me.
How about we just hold all judgement until after it is settled. After many, many chances and slap on the wrists, you tend to move off that position. These are just the ones made public. Hold all judgement and hope for best but to feel sorry for someone who has been given everything for years and over and over again takes it for granted. I feel sorry for the kid at BU who kills himself every day and works a job or 2 to pay his tuition and have his future school contributions fund scholarships like this.
 
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I don't feel sorry for Trivino at all. IF this is proven to be true, what a $%kin' knucklehead. Good job throwing away your entire career. I have no sympathy for these a-holes who get a free ride for 4 years and can't act like adults.

I will also second the kudos to Parker for handling this swiftly and firmly. I'm guessing this is going to be the new norm post Penn St except for "schools" like Cincinnatti. This is how he should have handled the Sabo incident back in the day and it looks like he's learned his lesson.
 
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Friend_of_BU_Hockey said:
I think the most appropriate word to describe Trivino is...immature...Met him several times and he seems like a good kid, but immature (even for a 21 year-old). Immaturity mixed with alcohol can lead to very stupid decisions.
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Oh boo hoo hoo. We were all that age and we all got boozed up on a regular basis. I don't recall any of us breaking into a dorm room and assaulting a co-ed. This kid is already getting too much of a break from my fellow BU fans (and even some non-BU fans).
 
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Friend_of_BU_Hockey said:
I think the most appropriate word to describe Trivino is...immature...Met him several times and he seems like a good kid, but immature (even for a 21 year-old). Immaturity mixed with alcohol can lead to very stupid decisions.
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If this was your daughter and a 21 year old was arrested for, "charged with two counts of breaking and entering in the nighttime and one count of assault with attempt to rape."

Would you say, he is just immature? In her room and not safe? Judges look at this in the same light as home invasion and in Massachusetts it is sacred ground and will not get brushed under the rug. All of this is of course if it is true. Clearly you need to let it sort itself out but any benefit of the doubt would go to the young lady who did nothing wrong.
 
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Hokydad said:
Nick, if this was a random student that broke into a young girls room and groped her, would you feel bad for him? You have to be kidding me.
How about we just hold all judgement until after it is settled. After many, many chances and slap on the wrists, you tend to move off that position. These are just the ones made public. Hold all judgement and hope for best but to feel sorry for someone who has been given everything for years and over and over again takes it for granted. I feel sorry for the kid at BU who kills himself every day and works a job or 2 to pay his tuition and have his future school contributions fund scholarships like this.
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We feel bad because it is an unfortunate story. He deservedly got booted off the team and will face his due penalties. At minimum, his college career is ruined and he is going to have to work his way for the legal system. Yes, we get the big picture that he has probably been coddled and enabled much of his life, but it is sad when it is a case where someone has a problem with alcohol. I am hoping that he is not a bad young adult sober and can turn things around with some help. I am glad it was not worse like actual rape or DUI crash, etc.
 
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Surprised Rover of all people hasn't brought up former BC football player, Brady Smith. Sounds very familiar to this Trivino story. Both were booted, obviously. Just another reminder that this can happen anywhere at any time. The act itself isn't a statement about the university. It's about the individual. That's always been my point.
 
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J.D. said:
Surprised Rover of all people hasn't brought up former BC football player, Brady Smith. Sounds very familiar to this Trivino story. Both were booted, obviously. Just another reminder that this can happen anywhere at any time. The act itself isn't a statement about the university. It's about the individual. That's always been my point.
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I'm surprised you of all people aren't b*tching that there is a picture of a BU player on the front page of USCHO!! :D
 
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Brian Gentry said:
I'm surprised you of all people aren't b*tching that there is a picture of a BU player on the front page of USCHO!! :D
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USCHO? Surely that's not the name of this site. Get it right. Hey, at least they're being consistent...
 
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Scarlet said:
This is truly upsetting news. I hope the victim is OK - kudos to her for calling the police. So many times people are afraid to do that.
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Well said. I'm glad she was strong enough and had enough support to feel comfortable coming forward and getting justice.

J.D. said:
The act itself isn't a statement about the university. It's about the individual. That's always been my point.
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Another great point. Appreciate the class.
 
Rover said:
Oh boo hoo hoo. We were all that age and we all got boozed up on a regular basis. I don't recall any of us breaking into a dorm room and assaulting a co-ed. This kid is already getting too much of a break from my fellow BU fans (and even some non-BU fans).
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Not too many here are giving him a break at all. If you want to see that, check out the posts from fans on the Islanders Lighthouse blog.
 
Re: Boston University 2011-2012 Season Thread Part Deux

J.D. said:
Surprised Rover of all people hasn't brought up former BC football player, Brady Smith. Sounds very familiar to this Trivino story. Both were booted, obviously. Just another reminder that this can happen anywhere at any time. The act itself isn't a statement about the university. It's about the individual. That's always been my point.
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Its more of a recurring theme at BC, but that's not the point. Can't believe I'm saying this, but Hokydad has been 100% correct in his comments. The fact that its an attempted rape and not an actual one gets Trivino no credit. Not sure why people are minimizing his actions. Also, the freakin' guy is 21 years old, as in he's an adult. As Hokydad just said, if some random guy broke into a home at night in the 'burbs and started assaulting a women living there, how many of you would be trotting out these nonsensical "oh its a shame he has a problem with alcohol" arguments. Like he's a swell guy normally, but add booze and he becomes a rapist? Puleeze. Trivino deserves all the scorn and humiliation as well as legal sanctions that are coming his way.
 
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We don't need to go there again, but I can only remember this particular kind of incident with Brady Smith. Like in this case, that shouldn't have been a referendum on the institution.

Wonder if a conversation took place between Parker and Trivino...
 
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Honestly feel bad for a guy who gets drunk and tries to rape an innocent girl in the middle of the night? Really? He deserves whatever punishment he gets, because she will be far more psychologically damaged.
 
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An article with a brief look at how it might play out for BU. It's important to talk about the charges but it's also important to remember that he is always innocent until proven guilty and that the justice system is in place for this reason. We should not jump to conclusions that he is a rapist or anything until he is given his day in court. It is very unbecoming of people to call him otherwise until the evidence is presented to us in a court of law.

To the rink... what does BU do to replace him or at least try to move on?

http://excalibursportspage.com/2011/12/13/mastif-sized-nightmare-for-terriers/
 
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That just makes me ill. :(

Is breaking and entering at night that different than breaking and entering in the day time? It seems like an odd way to address that charge.
 
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