Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
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Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
of course not. they wait until someone posts about it on a messageboard and then they start stripping away wins after the fact. this isnt terrorism. reactive is just as good as proactive to them.
of course not. they wait until someone posts about it on a messageboard and then they start stripping away wins after the fact. this isnt terrorism. reactive is just as good as proactive to them.
Terrierbyassociation
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
So you're a long time family friend of the Warsofsky's. Got it.
So you're a long time family friend of the Warsofsky's. Got it.
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
you guys are reading the rules 100% wrong
it reverts back to stuff provided because you are an athlete.
if you realy believe that a longtime friend of a family cant give a gift to a kid, your a moron
Extra Benefits (for currently enrolled student-athletes)
You may not accept gifts, money, transportation, loans or special benefits from anyone (coaches, staff, faculty, fans, mentors, or boosters) because of your status as an athlete. This rule also applies to your family and friends.
The NCAA defines an extra benefit as any special arrangement to provide a student-athlete or his/her relatives or friends with something that is not provided in general to the student body. Someone whom you are not naturally or legally dependent cannot provide you with anything for free or at a reduced rate because you are a student athlete.
Extra benefits include, but are not limited to:
A special discount, payment arrangement, or credit on purchase (e.g. airline ticket, clothing) or services (e.g. laundry, auto repair, attorney fees).
A loan of money or guarantee of bond at a special rate.
Use of an automobile that belongs to a coach, staff member, booster, etc.
Free or discount meals or services at a commercial establishment.
Benefits connected with off-campus housing (e.g. use of TV sets, room furnishings, etc.)
Signing or co-signing of a loan by a coach, booster etc.
Use of personal property that belongs to a coach, booster, etc.(e.g. car, stereo, home, etc.)
you guys are reading the rules 100% wrong
it reverts back to stuff provided because you are an athlete.
if you realy believe that a longtime friend of a family cant give a gift to a kid, your a moron
Extra Benefits (for currently enrolled student-athletes)
You may not accept gifts, money, transportation, loans or special benefits from anyone (coaches, staff, faculty, fans, mentors, or boosters) because of your status as an athlete. This rule also applies to your family and friends.
The NCAA defines an extra benefit as any special arrangement to provide a student-athlete or his/her relatives or friends with something that is not provided in general to the student body. Someone whom you are not naturally or legally dependent cannot provide you with anything for free or at a reduced rate because you are a student athlete.
Extra benefits include, but are not limited to:
A special discount, payment arrangement, or credit on purchase (e.g. airline ticket, clothing) or services (e.g. laundry, auto repair, attorney fees).
A loan of money or guarantee of bond at a special rate.
Use of an automobile that belongs to a coach, staff member, booster, etc.
Free or discount meals or services at a commercial establishment.
Benefits connected with off-campus housing (e.g. use of TV sets, room furnishings, etc.)
Signing or co-signing of a loan by a coach, booster etc.
Use of personal property that belongs to a coach, booster, etc.(e.g. car, stereo, home, etc.)
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
??? Are there other Boston U. students you are handing out gifts to who AREN'T hockey players? Seems to me you are giving him this gift because he is a BU hockey player. How deep of a hole exactly are you planning on digging yourself?
??? Are there other Boston U. students you are handing out gifts to who AREN'T hockey players? Seems to me you are giving him this gift because he is a BU hockey player. How deep of a hole exactly are you planning on digging yourself?
Federal League
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Even if you are a longtime family friend of the Warsofskys... note the bolded sections.
Even if you are a longtime family friend of the Warsofskys... note the bolded sections.
Carmine Scarpaglia
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Guys... stop arguing about what the rules are. It's a good distraction for hokydad to take away from the fact that he's a creep.
Guys... stop arguing about what the rules are. It's a good distraction for hokydad to take away from the fact that he's a creep.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Feedback I got from this genius moments ago:
"maybe because i have known the family for many years, talk to dad about twice a week and coached the kid for 8 years, also coached his older brothers"
Wouldn't this count as "family and friends"? I half expect this guy to say "just kidding" or "April Fools!" because no one can be this dumb.
Feedback I got from this genius moments ago:
"maybe because i have known the family for many years, talk to dad about twice a week and coached the kid for 8 years, also coached his older brothers"
Wouldn't this count as "family and friends"? I half expect this guy to say "just kidding" or "April Fools!" because no one can be this dumb.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Yes, the bold section... All that says is that family and friends can not take gifts from college reps or boosters as well. No kidding
and family friend can give a gift to a kid anytime they want
you are reading it wrong
Yes, the bold section... All that says is that family and friends can not take gifts from college reps or boosters as well. No kidding
and family friend can give a gift to a kid anytime they want
you are reading it wrong
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Because you cant read what the rules say is not my fault. The bold area in question is saying that friends and family also are prohibited from taking gifts from school officials, boosters etc unless the general student body has similar access.
Because you cant read what the rules say is not my fault. The bold area in question is saying that friends and family also are prohibited from taking gifts from school officials, boosters etc unless the general student body has similar access.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
"You may not accept gifts...from anyone (coaches, staff, faculty, fans, mentors, or boosters) because of your status as an athlete. This rule also applies to your family and friends."
Did it ever occur to you that you are completely wrong? I mean, YOU posted this quote. What part of "you cannot accept gifts from anyone" are you missing? Im out, talking to you is like talking to a shoe.
"You may not accept gifts...from anyone (coaches, staff, faculty, fans, mentors, or boosters) because of your status as an athlete. This rule also applies to your family and friends."
Did it ever occur to you that you are completely wrong? I mean, YOU posted this quote. What part of "you cannot accept gifts from anyone" are you missing? Im out, talking to you is like talking to a shoe.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Ditto, total wste of time talking to someone who thought the friends and family clause meant that....
Why do you insist upon taking a sentence and cherry picking a portion of it?
It says specifically BECAUSE OF YOUR STATUS AS AN ATHLETE!!!!
A FAMILY FRIEND WOULDNT DO IT BECAUSE HE WAS AN ATHLETE!!!
The jersey will be donated to BU, if they want it for their collection... that solves your issue there.
Ditto, total wste of time talking to someone who thought the friends and family clause meant that....
Why do you insist upon taking a sentence and cherry picking a portion of it?
It says specifically BECAUSE OF YOUR STATUS AS AN ATHLETE!!!!
A FAMILY FRIEND WOULDNT DO IT BECAUSE HE WAS AN ATHLETE!!!
The jersey will be donated to BU, if they want it for their collection... that solves your issue there.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Hokydad, would it not surprise you if David already has a game jersey from the gold medal game? I recall the winter classic a few years ago when the pens wore three jerseys, one each period. One was to be auctions off the raise money for charity (like this maybe?) one went to the team to do wiu as they pleased, and one was kept by te player as a keepsake.
And why would you donate it to BU?
Crazy night y'all....
Hokydad, would it not surprise you if David already has a game jersey from the gold medal game? I recall the winter classic a few years ago when the pens wore three jerseys, one each period. One was to be auctions off the raise money for charity (like this maybe?) one went to the team to do wiu as they pleased, and one was kept by te player as a keepsake.
And why would you donate it to BU?
Crazy night y'all....
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Every single player on the team kept their blue jersey. I am well aware of that. None of them were given the gold medal game jerseys. They had to log on and buy last night if they wanted it.
What is crazy is that someone started a meaningless thread about losing out on a bid for a jersey and next thing you know it becomes an NCAA violation, which it would not have been.
Why not give it to BU... I remember a few years back when Jim Craig was down on his luck financialy and his olympic ring was sold at auction. The guy who bought it gave it back to him. Not relating the two but a jersey worn by a BU player in a gold medal winning game vs Canada should be somewhere besides my closet.
Every single player on the team kept their blue jersey. I am well aware of that. None of them were given the gold medal game jerseys. They had to log on and buy last night if they wanted it.
What is crazy is that someone started a meaningless thread about losing out on a bid for a jersey and next thing you know it becomes an NCAA violation, which it would not have been.
Why not give it to BU... I remember a few years back when Jim Craig was down on his luck financialy and his olympic ring was sold at auction. The guy who bought it gave it back to him. Not relating the two but a jersey worn by a BU player in a gold medal winning game vs Canada should be somewhere besides my closet.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
As much as I hate to break in to all of this and ruin everyone's good time, but hokydad is correct.
I don't think he is accurately quoting the rule, but he knows the meaning of it.
Family and friends can give whatever gifts they want to the student-athlete, even if the gift is because he is an athlete, as long as they have a long-standing gift-giving relationship established before he becomes a student-athlete or a prospective student-athlete.
Honestly, you guys should be able to grasp this rule; it's pretty straight-forward, common-sense stuff. If Warsofsky's next-door neighbors, who have lived next to him all his life, want to give him a hockey stick to use in his next BU game because they are so excited he got a scholarship there, it's not an NCAA violation.
Also, I think someone mentioned earlier (don't have time to go back and read) that the value of the gift mattered. Well, it doesn't. If a gift is improper, it's improper. Doesn't matter if it's a $1 burger at McDonald's or an brand new Escalade. It might matter in severity of sanction, but not in establishing a violation of NCAA rules.
Not that it matters if hockydad is a long-time family friend, but I also seem to remember a rule regarding "gifts" to players of their own equipment. I believe that rule applied to things like home run balls or a broken stick flying into the crowd. I would imagine an auctioned jersey would not apply, but it might if it was money donated for a charity.
As much as I hate to break in to all of this and ruin everyone's good time, but hokydad is correct.
I don't think he is accurately quoting the rule, but he knows the meaning of it.Family and friends can give whatever gifts they want to the student-athlete, even if the gift is because he is an athlete, as long as they have a long-standing gift-giving relationship established before he becomes a student-athlete or a prospective student-athlete.
Honestly, you guys should be able to grasp this rule; it's pretty straight-forward, common-sense stuff. If Warsofsky's next-door neighbors, who have lived next to him all his life, want to give him a hockey stick to use in his next BU game because they are so excited he got a scholarship there, it's not an NCAA violation.
Also, I think someone mentioned earlier (don't have time to go back and read) that the value of the gift mattered. Well, it doesn't. If a gift is improper, it's improper. Doesn't matter if it's a $1 burger at McDonald's or an brand new Escalade. It might matter in severity of sanction, but not in establishing a violation of NCAA rules.
Not that it matters if hockydad is a long-time family friend, but I also seem to remember a rule regarding "gifts" to players of their own equipment. I believe that rule applied to things like home run balls or a broken stick flying into the crowd. I would imagine an auctioned jersey would not apply, but it might if it was money donated for a charity.
Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
So if Warsofsky was NOT a student athlete, you'd still spend $1,200 to give him a hockey jersey?
BUFan, no, he's wrong. A collectible jersey does not count as 'equipment', especially since he won't be wearing that jersey again in a game. He thinks he's correct but he's interpreting the rule wrong. The only reason he's giving him the jersey is because he's an athlete. If he had a brain, he'd buy the jersey for Warsofsky's father, but why confuse this guy with logic?
So if Warsofsky was NOT a student athlete, you'd still spend $1,200 to give him a hockey jersey?
BUFan, no, he's wrong. A collectible jersey does not count as 'equipment', especially since he won't be wearing that jersey again in a game. He thinks he's correct but he's interpreting the rule wrong. The only reason he's giving him the jersey is because he's an athlete. If he had a brain, he'd buy the jersey for Warsofsky's father, but why confuse this guy with logic?
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Ughhh ... no. You obviously don't know the rules. He can give it to him only because Warsofsky is an athlete, if he has a long-standing gift-giving relationship dating back to before Warsofsky was an athlete.
But we can enter your world, where that rule doesn't exist. Fine. But the rule that says you (a person unfamiliar to the player who does not have a long-standing, gift-giving relationship to the player) can not give a gift to an athlete or his family members solely because he is an athlete still exists, right? So ... if hockydad had a brain and used logic ... I guess he WOULDN'T give it to Warsofsky's father?
Whether or not a used jersey is equipment is really irrelevant, but I'm going to go ahead and not trust your analysis. Is a shoulder pad no longer equipment if it sits in a player's locker rather than being worn in a game?
Ughhh ... no. You obviously don't know the rules. He can give it to him only because Warsofsky is an athlete, if he has a long-standing gift-giving relationship dating back to before Warsofsky was an athlete.
But we can enter your world, where that rule doesn't exist. Fine. But the rule that says you (a person unfamiliar to the player who does not have a long-standing, gift-giving relationship to the player) can not give a gift to an athlete or his family members solely because he is an athlete still exists, right? So ... if hockydad had a brain and used logic ... I guess he WOULDN'T give it to Warsofsky's father?
Whether or not a used jersey is equipment is really irrelevant, but I'm going to go ahead and not trust your analysis. Is a shoulder pad no longer equipment if it sits in a player's locker rather than being worn in a game?
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Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect
Help me here, isn't one of the key factors related to giving of gifts to athletes related to whether the giver is a college booster....a supporter that may be giving a gift/inducement to an athlete to induce that player to attend a specific school?
I don't know what Hokydad is but it doesn't sound like he necessarily qualifies as a BU booster....maybe Providence or maybe no school. If he's not a booster the gift he gives is not illegal. Is that correct or am I missing something?
FL, I didn't check my spelling so please feel free to do so.
Help me here, isn't one of the key factors related to giving of gifts to athletes related to whether the giver is a college booster....a supporter that may be giving a gift/inducement to an athlete to induce that player to attend a specific school?
I don't know what Hokydad is but it doesn't sound like he necessarily qualifies as a BU booster....maybe Providence or maybe no school. If he's not a booster the gift he gives is not illegal. Is that correct or am I missing something?
FL, I didn't check my spelling so please feel free to do so.
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