Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

[collegefan06]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

Tried to rep you, the message on it won't make sense. But basically, it's painful but true. Parker can't get these guys going midseason, but I truly do wonder what he could have done to get these guys over their championship hangover. I think he tried juggling lines to reward/punish players, but it didn't have the effect he was hoping.

It is my opinion that what could have been done differently by Parker is to have been around as in past years in September and early October.

If the high paid coach isn't mentally or physically there neither will the players.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

If the high paid coach isn't mentally or physically there neither will the players.

c'mon.....

these are not 11 yo children playing pee wee. these are men. men who are responsible for themselves and their actions. every single one of them are over 18 and if not for a few different outcomes in life could very well be in iraq right now. do all of those young men abroad need a high paid sgt around to keep them there mentally and physically?

why are these kids so challenged that they require supervision by a hockey coach to do what's right or what's expected of them?!?

we went over this before in december, but it's a cop out to give them a collective pass and dump all their faults at the feet of the coaching staff.

 

[slurpees]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

c'mon.....

these are not 11 yo children playing pee wee. these are men. men who are responsible for themselves and their actions. every single one of them are over 18 and if not for a few different outcomes in life could very well be in iraq right now. do all of those young men abroad need a high paid sgt around to keep them there mentally and physically?

why are these kids so challenged that they require supervision by a hockey coach to do what's right or what's expected of them?!?

we went over this before in december, but it's a cop out to give them a collective pass and dump all their faults at the feet of the coaching staff.

+1

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

c'mon.....

these are not 11 yo children playing pee wee. these are men. men who are responsible for themselves and their actions. every single one of them are over 18 and if not for a few different outcomes in life could very well be in iraq right now. do all of those young men abroad need a high paid sgt around to keep them there mentally and physically?

why are these kids so challenged that they require supervision by a hockey coach to do what's right or what's expected of them?!?

we went over this before in december, but it's a cop out to give them a collective pass and dump all their faults at the feet of the coaching staff.

Yep.

 

[collegefan06]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

c'mon.....

these are not 11 yo children playing pee wee. these are men. men who are responsible for themselves and their actions. every single one of them are over 18 and if not for a few different outcomes in life could very well be in iraq right now. do all of those young men abroad need a high paid sgt around to keep them there mentally and physically?

why are these kids so challenged that they require supervision by a hockey coach to do what's right or what's expected of them?!?

we went over this before in december, but it's a cop out to give them a collective pass and dump all their faults at the feet of the coaching staff.

Please......

Cop out?

Read my other posts....

Seems you much prefer to misread the facts and give the old man the cop out.

 

[BU Hammer]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

c'mon.....

these are not 11 yo children playing pee wee. these are men. men who are responsible for themselves and their actions. every single one of them are over 18 and if not for a few different outcomes in life could very well be in iraq right now. do all of those young men abroad need a high paid sgt around to keep them there mentally and physically?

why are these kids so challenged that they require supervision by a hockey coach to do what's right or what's expected of them?!?

we went over this before in december, but it's a cop out to give them a collective pass and dump all their faults at the feet of the coaching staff.

Please......

Cop out?

Read my other posts....

Seems you much prefer to misread the facts and give the old man the cop out.

I'm thinking it's somewhere in between. Yes, these kids should be able to motivate themselves, should have "The will to win," blah blah, blah blah. They know what's expected of them as D-1 athletes, and it is their job to be ready to go from the gun.

At the same time, Parker does make a lot of money for the sole purpose of building a strong roster and being sure the team is as prepared to compete as possible.

When a team collapses like this year's bunch is. It's no one's fault -- it's everyones.

 

[defkit]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

IMHO, the only CURRENT area that Jack could be argued to hold the edge over Jerry is preparing kids to play in the NHL - in terms of playing effectively in all zones.

Ask yourself honestly - if you had the option of Jack Parker or David Quinn/Mike Sullivan being the head coach of the 2010-2011 Terriers, who would you pick? To me this is a very easy decision. I think either of those guys coming back tot he program as the coach would re-energize the fans significantly.

Jack is one of the all time greats. Was it Chuck who kept saying he lost the fire with Travis' injury? I'm not sure he lost the fire, but I think he has lost the ability to motivate his players, and I think it is a generational thing.

Without a bright young coaching mind as an assistant (Quinn), and without a team blessed with talent and maturity, Jack has not had much success since 1997.

 

[BU Hammer]

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Jack is one of the all time greats. Was it Chuck who kept saying he lost the fire with Travis' injury? I'm not sure he lost the fire, but I think he has lost the ability to motivate his players, and I think it is a generational thing.

After witnessing the ****storm he unleashed on the team before the Harvard game first semester, I'd argue there's still plenty of fire in Parker. Possibly the most terrifying two minutes of my life.

I've said this a few times this year, but after having a chance to talk to Parker on a regular basis, he really is one of the most competitive people I think I know, and he still has a very strong passion for hockey.

 

[candycanes99]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

IMHO, the only CURRENT area that Jack could be argued to hold the edge over Jerry is preparing kids to play in the NHL - in terms of playing effectively in all zones.

This is a good point that highlights a big difference between the coaching styles and systems between Parker and York. York's style exploits raw talent, while Parker's requires the talent to be refined in order for them to thrive here. Thus, a young team under Parker will be less successful than a young team under York, generally.

08-09 was a team full of upperclassmen that had adjusted and were proficient in all aspects of play. However, this isn't the reason for the terrible 09-10 season as I see it, because there was still plenty of carryover guys and upperclassmen presence, however they ended up being a big part of the problem. It might take 2 years for the current team to reach that level once again, when the incoming talent and current underclassmen have grown accustomed to being "BU hockey players."

 

[RoughEmUp]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

I'll tell you why BC has recruited better (and I'm sure some fanboy will contend every single point).
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2. Local kids around this age grew up while BU was mediocre while BC was ridiculous and grew up dreaming of playing for BC. Ask J Whitney about where he was on April 4, 1998. He was a kid rooting for BC at the Garden vs Michigan. The success of BC in this decade long run, with very few bad years and not a ton of great BU years obviously, pays dividends down the road and here you see how BC benefits and BU does not. Additionally, to completely counter your point about BU being a one-trick pony helping them, the potential popularity of two high-profile sports like BC basketball and/or football with some of the local kids that grew up watching them might have also made them want to attend BC. Simply put, a lot of the local athletes dreamed of coming to BC when they were growing up.

I agree with this.

I'm an elementary schoolteacher. When the kids hit 3rd grade, they are already programmed to be BC fans. Most of this comes from Dad or an uncle. These guys, BC alums or not, want a national college football team and a national hoops team they can follow on TV. Hockey is 3rd on the list, but obviously BC's recent success helps here as well. Toss in BC being an excellent academic school, and a Catholic one to boot, and a whole lotta Sullys and Murphs are fans. For them, it's about getting behind a local school so they have a horse in the BC/FSU football game or the BC/Duke hoops game. They have reason to be invested now.

So when BU comes along during this little thing called hockey season, they already have a team they back. They get their kid a BC shirt or hat, maybe take them to a game. And let's face it- virtually any college game in any sport is just an awesome time for a nine year old kid. So the kid is now sold on BC.

Luckily, nine year olds are easily influenced and swayed.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Even though BC's hockey program is their only sports program that gives them legitimate national airs (and they are without a doubt a powerhouse and the premiere program in college hockey today) its funny that the other sports are probably what really sell the recruits in their teen years.

The name Boston College stays in the mind all year long.

 

[yankeefn01]

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I'm not sure he lost the fire, but I think he has lost the ability to motivate his players, and I think it is a generational thing.

Without a bright young coaching mind as an assistant (Quinn), and without a team blessed with talent and maturity, Jack has not had much success since 1997.

couldn't agree with this more.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

couldn't agree with this more.

This is rapidly becoming the kiss of death.

Sorry defkit.

 

[yankeefn01]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

Even though BC's hockey program is their only sports program that gives them legitimate national airs (and they are without a doubt a powerhouse and the premiere program in college hockey today) its funny that the other sports are probably what really sell the recruits in their teen years.

The name Boston College stays in the mind all year long.

if only the BU Women's lax team could intrigue the potential recruits

 

[Federal League]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

I agree with this.

I'm an elementary schoolteacher. When the kids hit 3rd grade, they are already programmed to be BC fans. Most of this comes from Dad or an uncle. These guys, BC alums or not, want a national college football team and a national hoops team they can follow on TV. Hockey is 3rd on the list, but obviously BC's recent success helps here as well. Toss in BC being an excellent academic school, and a Catholic one to boot, and a whole lotta Sullys and Murphs are fans. For them, it's about getting behind a local school so they have a horse in the BC/FSU football game or the BC/Duke hoops game. They have reason to be invested now.

So when BU comes along during this little thing called hockey season, they already have a team they back. They get their kid a BC shirt or hat, maybe take them to a game. And let's face it- virtually any college game in any sport is just an awesome time for a nine year old kid. So the kid is now sold on BC.

Luckily, nine year olds are easily influenced and swayed.

At the same time, there are a lot of young hockey players who don't care about football or basketball. I played competitive hockey in eastern Mass. from age 5 (1994) to age 16 (2005), and while I followed college football and basketball in addition to college hockey, a lot of my friends/teammates didn't. Of course, some of them didn't follow college hockey at all, but I knew a lot of people who rooted for BU, UNH, UML or even Maine. I will admit that there were definitely more fans of BC than any other school, but it wasn't as totally lopsided as some people seem to think. Among ALL my friends, there were definitely way more people who rooted for BC (in all sports), but among hockey friends, it was much more balanced.

 

[Rover]

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c'mon.....

these are not 11 yo children playing pee wee. these are men. men who are responsible for themselves and their actions. every single one of them are over 18 and if not for a few different outcomes in life could very well be in iraq right now. do all of those young men abroad need a high paid sgt around to keep them there mentally and physically?

why are these kids so challenged that they require supervision by a hockey coach to do what's right or what's expected of them?!?

we went over this before in december, but it's a cop out to give them a collective pass and dump all their faults at the feet of the coaching staff.

That's like saying no team needs a coach. Its no coincidence a Scotty Bowman has 9 Stanley Cups on 3 different teams I believe while Steve Kasper never got a job again. And that's for the pros with 20 year vets playing on the team. 18-22 year old kids need a coach to get them paired up with the right linemates, implement the best system for the team, teach them how to improve their game, and yes kick them in the arse once in awhile.

If I were Parker, before every season I'd hand out two photographs to the team. One of Peter McArthur and one of John McCarthy. One player had far, far more talent than the other but didn't max it out at BU, the other did. One has a national title and a pro stint in his first year, the other doesn't. If that doesn't motivate people, they don't belong on the team.

 

[Rover]

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At the same time, there are a lot of young hockey players who don't care about football or basketball. I played competitive hockey in eastern Mass. from age 5 (1994) to age 16 (2005), and while I followed college football and basketball in addition to college hockey, a lot of my friends/teammates didn't. Of course, some of them didn't follow college hockey at all, but I knew a lot of people who rooted for BU, UNH, UML or even Maine. I will admit that there were definitely more fans of BC than any other school, but it wasn't as totally lopsided as some people seem to think. Among ALL my friends, there were definitely way more people who rooted for BC (in all sports), but among hockey friends, it was much more balanced.

People in the boston area don't care about college sports in general. That's not one particular school's fault necessarily, it just is. Saying there's legions of fans of a Massachusetts school capturing the imagination of the region's youth is ridiculous. All local schools struggle to sell out their home games, be it BC, UMass, etc. The only big time sport being played in New England and drawing signficant support is UConn hoops, and that doesn't seem to be spilling over to their hockey team any.

Fans of local college sports teams are too fragmented. In my entire lifetime the only instances where a team captured the non-alum interest was UMass hoops in '96 and BC football in '84. Look no further than the facilities the local teams play all. All of them are on the smaller side in comparison to so called "big time athletics programs". Were the populace of by some measures the 6th or 7th largest metro area in the country behind any of these programs, they ought to be a lot larger and sold out regularly.

 

[13renclan]

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If I were Parker, before every season I'd hand out two photographs to the team. One of Peter McArthur and one of John McCarthy. One player had far, far more talent than the other but didn't max it out at BU, the other did. One has a national title and a pro stint in his first year, the other doesn't. If that doesn't motivate people, they don't belong on the team.

BS. MarArthur gave every ounce he had for BU hockey, they were very similar in their time here, and were similar as captains. That team didn't have the vocal captain that Gilroy was last year, that was the difference (other than ridiculous surrounding talent).

 

[kennedy]

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

Whoa, when did Peter MacArthur become the poster boy for under-achievement?

 

[25 N Countin']

Re: Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

Whoa, when did Peter MacArthur become the poster boy for under-achievement?

I mean, there are certainly multiple guys you could say that about. But I agree, Pete MacArthur is about the last person I'd put in that category.