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Boston University 2010 Offseason I - The Year after the Year after effect

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I'm kind of confused as to how Shatty can say that he should have done this, this and this, and yet he failed to do it during the season. During some of his press conferences during the season, it was very clear to me that he did not have what it takes to be the leader of that team. I put a lot of the blame for the season on Shatty and Bonino. I think Gryba fulfilled his role as an assistant captain, but I don't see what Bonino did at all off the ice and Shatty just could not step up.

I don't think any of the captains fulfilled their roles, but if I had to pick one who at least came close, it would be Shatty. I'll respectfully disagree about Gryba.
 
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I'm kind of confused as to how Shatty can say that he should have done this, this and this, and yet he failed to do it during the season. During some of his press conferences during the season, it was very clear to me that he did not have what it takes to be the leader of that team. I put a lot of the blame for the season on Shatty and Bonino.

The one thing I noticed in Shattenkirk's press conferences early in the season was that he and Parker were never on the same page. Parker would hate the effort, Shattenkirk would think they were unlucky. Parker would say the team needed to pull its heads out of you know where, and Shattenkirk would say they needed to keep their confidence.

It was that way all the way through the first semester. It changed in the second semester, and I actually really do think that whatever was wrong with the team was fixed after that winter break, but unfortunately, that had a lot to do with how well Trivino began playing defensively. I think his absence down the stretch has been underrated by quite a few people on these boards.

That, of course, is just my two cents, and is probably worth about as much.
 
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I don't think any of the captains fulfilled their roles, but if I had to pick one who at least came close, it would be Shatty. I'll respectfully disagree about Gryba.

Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I was thinking and wondering the other day.....is Mass hockey just weaker now than it used to be when i was in school? Is that why few local kids are becoming Terriers today or do the local coaches know what's going on and make sure their kids go anywhere but BU? I don't know the answer to that but in my opinion we have entered a bleak future for Terrier hockey that won't change until leadership changes.

Having had the pleasure of covering some area HS hockey, I can say with pretty strong confidence that I may have seen one player capable of walking on at a quality D-1 program, and that's only because I saw Catholic Memorial play 3-4 times.

Many good thoughts on this issue from Parker here: http://www.boston.com/sports/colleg...bay_state_hockey_in_prolonged_downward_cycle/

And I captured some more quotes from Parker in this preview:
http://www.dailyfreepress.com/sports/mass-less-clash-1.2142294

Those will more or less confirm what you're thinking about Mass HS hockey. There are still gems at the prep and junior level in the area, but in the end, a guy like Warsofsky just has no reason to stick around a place like Marshfield. Nobody will ever see him there.
 
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Having had the pleasure of covering some area HS hockey, I can say with pretty strong confidence that I may have seen one player capable of walking on at a quality D-1 program, and that's only because I saw Catholic Memorial play 3-4 times.

Many good thoughts on this issue from Parker here: http://www.boston.com/sports/colleg...bay_state_hockey_in_prolonged_downward_cycle/

And I captured some more quotes from Parker in this preview:
http://www.dailyfreepress.com/sports/mass-less-clash-1.2142294

Those will more or less confirm what you're thinking about Mass HS hockey. There are still gems at the prep and junior level in the area, but in the end, a guy like Warsofsky just has no reason to stick around a place like Marshfield. Nobody will ever see him there.

I'm neither a BU or BC fan, but always root for BU in the Beanpot and any other times the two teams meet as I had some friends play for BU and do not like BC. If I was a recruit currently, I'd rather play at Agannis Arena than Conte Forum and I'd rather play at a school where hockey is the first priority (any HE school except UMA, BC and PC).

However, something Jerry York is doing is better than what Jack Parker is doing to recruit local kids. These are not local kids from public high schools or even the catholics, but the local kids for the most part are going to BC over BU.

High school hockey has dropped off tremendously in Massachusetts now for a while, but it has even been going further down in the last few years. The youth hockey programs in Mass are falling behind and that is hurting the overall talent pool than juniors and preps are taking away the players.

I will always remember fondly the memories of playing sports at a public high school where lots of friends and others came out to support the team. Some of my friends did PG years and/or juniors and the support for them was no where near the same.

There is positives attributes for publics, preps, and juniors, but I really wish we could see a day where all this talent went to publics and stayed there longer. Think about how good some of these publics would have been had all the kids stayed home for school. There are quite a few towns if you look at rosters over the past few years that have placed a good amount of kids in D1/D3.
 
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Around late November, I was rooting for Shatty to get bench. Of course it's improbable that Parker would bench a captain when the captain doesn't break team rules, but I felt it was probably the only way the team would wake up.

This goes way back, but I recall JP benching captain Mike Kelfer for a game during the godawful 1998-89 season. I don't recall the benching being the result of any rules violation. It came during a brutal roadtrip to Minn-Duluth and NoDak, back in the days of the interlocking sked with the WCHA.

Someone else mentioned that he benched John Cullen, also. Do you recall when that was? Cullen had a lot back trouble as an upperclassman. Did he sit out injured, or was he benched? Oh, the days prior to the Internet.
 
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I know what you're saying, irishfan. In particular, I know Parker complained about kids playing 60-plus games a year from the time they're 9 or 10.

This winter was actually my first experience with high school hockey (they don't play a whole lot of it competitively in Pittsburgh) and I loved the atmosphere. It's very reminiscent of the way football is treated in Western PA, except there are no Terelle Pryor-equivalents playing hockey up here, even at schools like CM.

While we're on these big-picture hockey discussions, FL and I had a good discussion with Parker about trying to keep up with schools like RIT or Merrimack that are loaded with older guys on pace to graduate at 23 or 24. If/when I get a chance, I really should get that transcribed and put something together, but essentially, the way BU recruits now, if they're going to bring a kid in at 17 or 18, they need to be sure the kid isn't just going to be a good hockey player, but is ready to be a good hockey player against guys 5-6 years his senior from the minute he steps on campus.

Nothing really revelatory about the conversation, but still interesting to get a feel for how a hockey coach at a major D-1 school looks at the recruiting process.
 
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USHR reports that Avon Old Farms defenseman Patrick MacGregor, 6-4, 210 RD, has committed to BU for next fall. Besides playing for AOF's prep school champions (2 assists in the title game vs NMH), he played in the Western Prep fall league http://westernprep-elite.com/players_print.php

Before AOF, a two-time All-State player in Hamden CT.

Nice. From your blog post he sounds like a potential surrogate Gryba on a blueline that was somewhat lacking in size.
 
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I'm neither a BU or BC fan, but always root for BU in the Beanpot and any other times the two teams meet as I had some friends play for BU and do not like BC. If I was a recruit currently, I'd rather play at Agannis Arena than Conte Forum and I'd rather play at a school where hockey is the first priority (any HE school except UMA, BC and PC).

However, something Jerry York is doing is better than what Jack Parker is doing to recruit local kids. These are not local kids from public high schools or even the catholics, but the local kids for the most part are going to BC over BU.

High school hockey has dropped off tremendously in Massachusetts now for a while, but it has even been going further down in the last few years. The youth hockey programs in Mass are falling behind and that is hurting the overall talent pool than juniors and preps are taking away the players.

I will always remember fondly the memories of playing sports at a public high school where lots of friends and others came out to support the team. Some of my friends did PG years and/or juniors and the support for them was no where near the same.

There is positives attributes for publics, preps, and juniors, but I really wish we could see a day where all this talent went to publics and stayed there longer. Think about how good some of these publics would have been had all the kids stayed home for school. There are quite a few towns if you look at rosters over the past few years that have placed a good amount of kids in D1/D3.

Great points here. No doubt Mass HS hockey is a shadow of what it was 10-15 years ago, but there are still quite a few players that are from Mass playing in Hockey East.

If you just take a look 3 miles down Comm Ave, there is Brian Gibbons, Joe Whitney, Steven Whitney, Paul Carey, Chris Kreider, Jimmy Hayes, Matt Lombardi, Barry Almeida, Edwin Shea, and John Muse. All hail from the Baystate. I know at least some of these guys had to have been recruited by BU, but chose BC.

As far as what Jerry York is doing better than Jack Parker... I know a lot of posters here might not want to face it but it's simple-- he's winning. Whether it be Frozen Fours, Hockey East Championships, or even (gasp!) the Beanpot. The guy knows how to win.
 
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As far as what Jerry York is doing better than Jack Parker... I know a lot of posters here might not want to face it but it's simple-- he's winning. Whether it be Frozen Fours said:
I know 2009's 35 wins have a lot to do with it but over the past 5 years only Miami, Michigan and BC have a better winning % than BU
 
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Someone else mentioned that he benched John Cullen, also. Do you recall when that was? Cullen had a lot back trouble as an upperclassman. Did he sit out injured, or was he benched? Oh, the days prior to the Internet.

It was definitely a benching. I remember it well, because it was kind of a big deal.

Jack has a history of benching key guys when things aren't going well. (I remember the Kelfer benching you mentioned.) Not sure why he didn't do more of that this season.
 
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Not sure why he didn't do more of that this season.

Perhaps because if he benched everyone who deserved it he wouldn't have had enough players to fill the bench?
 
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Great points here. No doubt Mass HS hockey is a shadow of what it was 10-15 years ago, but there are still quite a few players that are from Mass playing in Hockey East.

If you just take a look 3 miles down Comm Ave, there is Brian Gibbons, Joe Whitney, Steven Whitney, Paul Carey, Chris Kreider, Jimmy Hayes, Matt Lombardi, Barry Almeida, Edwin Shea, and John Muse. All hail from the Baystate. I know at least some of these guys had to have been recruited by BU, but chose BC.

As far as what Jerry York is doing better than Jack Parker... I know a lot of posters here might not want to face it but it's simple-- he's winning. Whether it be Frozen Fours, Hockey East Championships, or even (gasp!) the Beanpot. The guy knows how to win.

Yes. Jerry York is winning more, but both him and Jack Parker are very good coaches. I believe the recruiting has been better at BC than BU. My question is why?

As I pointed out in my previous post, BU has a nicer facility, can boast that they are the top athletic program on campus, and has produced some big time NHL stars.

BC has out recruited BU overall since 1997. I'm not saying BU has not gotten some great talent, even locally like Higgins, Lawrence, DiPietro, Spang, etc. But in general, BC has gotten better talent overall and better locally.
 
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Yes. Jerry York is winning more, but both him and Jack Parker are very good coaches. I believe the recruiting has been better at BC than BU. My question is why?

As I pointed out in my previous post, BU has a nicer facility, can boast that they are the top athletic program on campus, and has produced some big time NHL stars.

BC has out recruited BU overall since 1997. I'm not saying BU has not gotten some great talent, even locally like Higgins, Lawrence, DiPietro, Spang, etc. But in general, BC has gotten better talent overall and better locally.

BU has had some strong classes recently. Last year's graduating class has seen 3 players play in the NHL this year (Even if McCarthy was only a couple of games. Still, he's playing extremely well in the AHL).

Next year's senior class had (before they all jumped ship) Wilson, Bonino, Shattenkirk, CCohen.

They had 14 NHL draft picks on the roster last year. While they didn't play to potential, that's still not bad recruiting.
 
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BU has had some strong classes recently. Last year's graduating class has seen 3 players play in the NHL this year (Even if McCarthy was only a couple of games. Still, he's playing extremely well in the AHL).

Next year's senior class had (before they all jumped ship) Wilson, Bonino, Shattenkirk, CCohen.

I'm not saying BU hasn't had good talent, and as I said I like BU more, but I believe besides the initial boost from HAA, recruiting has been down compared to BC. It has still been easily second best in the league.

A big question to me is why did Brendan Silk choose BC? His uncle (I believe Dave is his uncle) played for BU. My big point with the few exceptions lately, for every one local stud BU gets, BC gets two.
 
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BC has out recruited BU overall since 1997. I'm not saying BU has not gotten some great talent, even locally like Higgins, Lawrence, DiPietro, Spang, etc. But in general, BC has gotten better talent overall and better locally.

I agree that BC started outrecruiting BU in the 1990's, but not in 1997. BC started outrecruiting BU the moment Jerry York stepped onto the BC campus in the fall of 1994. He used his strong ties to central New York state to turn the program around very quickly.

I think BU closed the recruiting gap when Quinn joined the program. What happens when the effect of his work is exhausted, who knows?

Agganis Arena and the related facilities have helped BU, certainly. But I think BC has advantages that BU cannot match. These are:

1. A nice leafy campus.
2. A Catholic school in a heavily Catholic area (maybe, this factor isn't as dominant as it once was).
3. Big time in all sports.

One other factor. I've always thought that Parker's approach and personality prepared guys for professional sports where no one is your friend. Also, I know he has said that kids today need to be handled differently, spoken to differently, etc. But I wonder if the public calling out doesn't have a bearing when the choice is between BC and BU.
 
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I'm not saying BU hasn't had good talent, and as I said I like BU more, but I believe besides the initial boost from HAA, recruiting has been down compared to BC. It has still been easily second best in the league.

A big question to me is why did Brendan Silk choose BC? His uncle (I believe Dave is his uncle) played for BU. My big point with the few exceptions lately, for every one local stud BU gets, BC gets two.

IIRC they aren't actually related, just share a surname.

And I'd still say the classes are trending upward with HAA, in general the classes have gotten better since the '08 seniors. Of course some classes have been a little down, but probably the two classes with lowest expectations in that period were Juniors and Seniors when the team won the NC, so it isn't an exact science.
 
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Not related. Brendan's grandfather actually played basketball at BC.
 
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As I pointed out in my previous post, BU has a nicer facility, can boast that they are the top athletic program on campus, and has produced some big time NHL stars.

Why would it matter whether BU is the top athletic program on campus or not? These kids don't likely don't care about that sort of thing.

I'll tell you why BC has recruited better (and I'm sure some fanboy will contend every single point).

1. Jerry York. Parker, aside from last season, had a rough run and his image suffered while throwing all these kids under the bus... It is what it is. I'm not saying Jerry is better, but put the two next to each other and seeing that they've both won and they've both put a lot of guys in the NHL, and most kids will pick York lately with the way he has handled himself and the program.

2. Local kids around this age grew up while BU was mediocre while BC was ridiculous and grew up dreaming of playing for BC. Ask J Whitney about where he was on April 4, 1998. He was a kid rooting for BC at the Garden vs Michigan. The success of BC in this decade long run, with very few bad years and not a ton of great BU years obviously, pays dividends down the road and here you see how BC benefits and BU does not. Additionally, to completely counter your point about BU being a one-trick pony helping them, the potential popularity of two high-profile sports like BC basketball and/or football with some of the local kids that grew up watching them might have also made them want to attend BC. Simply put, a lot of the local athletes dreamed of coming to BC when they were growing up.

3. Perceived better education. We could argue all day and night about which school is better or the ones that concede BC is better will hit you with the token line about "education is what you make of it," but the fact remains that BC is a hot school right now and is perceived to be a better education.

Honorable mention:
Nicer campus.

Essentially, we come to this same thing we ask about why any kid, athlete or non-athlete, why they choose a school. Different strokes for different folks. But BC is a hotter school academically and has been riding a long wave of success on the ice and that really should make it no mystery why BC is recruiting better locally than BU is. A bad start to the season didn't help keep the window open long for Parker to really take away recruits from BC while conversely BC had a nice run in the first half of the season (and beyond).
 
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I'm not saying BU hasn't had good talent, and as I said I like BU more, but I believe besides the initial boost from HAA, recruiting has been down compared to BC. It has still been easily second best in the league.

A big question to me is why did Brendan Silk choose BC? His uncle (I believe Dave is his uncle) played for BU. My big point with the few exceptions lately, for every one local stud BU gets, BC gets two.

According to the BC thread he's not related to BU's silk. Some websites report him to be a cousin, but the BC thread said it was wrong and they were not related.
 
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