Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

[SteveF]

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I like how the BC folks come in to bash Parker and then we get more information. Not so fast, guys.

glass says: I did not receive any explanation about why or how this situation had reached this point

glass' dad says: During our meeting, it became quite clear that Parker wasn’t even sure of the details himself as to why Andrew missed the optional workout and he definitely didn’t care what Andrew had to say. “Parker mentioned that there were ‘other issues’ and for several minutes I listened to an irrational monologue from Parker about a written exercise last spring in which the players rated themselves and their teammates. Parker was very upset that Andrew rated himself higher than he thought he should have


anonofsky says: "I think he still has no idea why he got kicked off the team,"


yes, we really have new information! my favorite part is how he had someone clean out the kids stall. who does that? why didnt he just change the locks on the doors. that would teach'em! second would be the whole ridiculous evaluation part - you are off the team because you think too highly of yourself! maybe bertagna should ask parker to rank himself among the other HE coaches and then boot bu from the league because his answer will be wrong.

 

[SPIN CONTROL]

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I'm not sure who looks worse in this whole discussion? Jack Parker, Andrew Glass, or J.D?

 

[Puck Swami]

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Jack Parker runs his program exactly the way he wants to run it, and with his outstanding record of wins, NHL player development and academic success with hundreds and hundreds of BU players over the years, he should usually get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to releasing players for cause. Knowing him a little bit, he can be a very intimidating person, and if I played for him, I'd sure be mindful of anything that might put me in his doghouse. Chances are when you've been doing this as long as he has, he knows character issues when he sees them. If you look back over history, there is a serious list of players, from the Lappins (and probably before) to the Saponaris that have been released ostensibly for what Parker believes are character issues that are detrimental to his team. Team cultures are delicate things, and its clear that Parker likely has a much shorter character fuse with his guys than some other coaches do...My guess is that there is more to the story that we just don't know....

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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If you look back over history, there is a serious list of players ... that have been released ostensibly for what Parker believes are character issues that are detrimental to his team.

I wonder if a BU player grabbed a ref and shouted in his face if Jackie would think that was character detrimental to his team.

 

[mookie1995]

I wonder if a BU player grabbed a ref and shouted in his face if Jackie would think that was character detrimental to his team.

You are not going to label Puck Swami a fanboy now, are you?!?

 

[J.D.]

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The kid's story proves nothing and should be assumed is not completely accurate

You're right that it doesn't prove anything, but why should anyone simply assume it's not completely accurate?

A good question from the interviewer would have been "did you or your dad say anything, email anything, voicemail anything to Parker or others that could have come to Parker's attention?"

Huh? Didn't Glass and his father say they e-mailed/called Parker?

----and i DO NOT want to hear who was on the "worst 5 teammates" list. that is assine. in fact, i find filling that out on paper to be absolutely stupid.

Agreed.

yeah, in the history of america I think this is the first time somebody wanted to get their perspective, and possibly the truth, made public without their name being attached...try employing some common sense

Nobody said it hasn't been done before. That being said, in this particular situation, to not attach your name is gutless IMO. It certainly isn't gutsy. Let's not try to equate this to every single anonymous quote. Try evaluating it individually.

Jack Parker runs his program exactly the way he wants to run it, and with his outstanding record of wins, NHL player development and academic success

OK, not to nitpick, but is he really known for his players' academic success? I don't know how to quantify that.

 

[J.D.]

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BTW, the comments at the bottom of the original blog are fantastic. Some really good stuff!

 

[DaveStPaul]

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You are not going to label Puck Swami a fanboy now, are you?!?

C'mon, let Tony troll a little. What are he and the rest of the BC herd supposed to do, go out?

 

[theprofromdover]

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Jack Parker runs his program exactly the way he wants to run it, and with his outstanding record of wins, NHL player development and academic success...

You had me until academic success.

 

[pirate]

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You're right that it doesn't prove anything, but why should anyone simply assume it's not completely accurate?



Huh? Didn't Glass and his father say they e-mailed/called Parker?



Agreed.





Nobody said it hasn't been done before. That being said, in this particular situation, to not attach your name is gutless IMO. It certainly isn't gutsy. Let's not try to equate this to every single anonymous quote. Try evaluating it individually.



OK, not to nitpick, but is he really known for his players' academic success? I don't know how to quantify that.

1) read the posts, everybody is clear that neither story is likely to be 100% accurate. Don't be dense, there wouldn't be a game called 'pass it on' if everybody recounted every event identically. Perhaps you have no experience in management or HR, perhaps you are just intentionally being dense as part of the Troll Patrol. Either way, your naivete is charming.
2) You completely missed the point. Assuming that the only communication out of the dad/son's mouth or keyboard is the email/voicemail to Parker is again naive. Glass has likely directly or indirectly commented on this issue to teammates, trainers, administrators, team managers etc. If Glass is indeed not a popular guy, it can be assumed that those comments got back to Parker. Their going to the press indicates that they like to talk and are trying to steer opinion...that usually comes back to haunt you when your public statements don't coincide with other comments.
3) My point wasn't that it had never been done before...it was to try to spur people to think why this is common...was it gutless for Deepthroat to talk to Woodward and Bernstein? There are a myriad of reasons why somebody close to a situation would relay inside information to refute claims made by a disgruntled teammate or co-worker. That is different from just leaking things to hear yourself talk or make yourself seem important. Further, FL has clearly indicated why there is no name attached to the text. Are you really telling me you've never passed on information your boss/spouse/friend/co-worker should know but did it in a "you didn't hear this from me" manner? It is basically the same thing...the player can't be quoted in the paper but they want to make sure people know Glass' side has a few holes. Parker, with 40+ years of experience knows to remain silent and the truth eventually will come out...a 20 year old thinks they need to set the record straight right now...it is called experience.

 

[Nick Papagiorgio]

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Their going to the press indicates that they like to talk and are trying to steer opinion...

I meant to ask this question before and this part of your post reminded me.

FL, did you actively pursue Glass to get this story or did he approach you out of the blue and ask you if you wanted to run a story with his version of the events?

I don't really care if Parker wanted to kick him off the team or not for missing the meetings. The stuff that would worry me if I was a fanboy would be:

1. The monumentally stupid evaluations/questions Parker is asking from his players in the offseason.
2. Optional just doesn't seem optional here.
3. I still think that Parker changed his mind at some point and needed reasons to provide to the Glasses and threw this strange evaluation questionaire out there as a another reason. It just doesn't make any sense...

 

[Slasher7]

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What the fanboys are missing here is regardless of who is right in a "he said, he said" battle, in the end, the program's reputation takes a hit. I tend to believe Glass' version to be honest because we've seen Parker jettison kids before (going back to Russ Bartlett, etc). His coaching style doesn't work anymore for kids coming through and it's clearly leading to frustration on his and the player's part.

 

[J.D.]

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C'mon, let Tony troll a little. What are he and the rest of the BC herd supposed to do, go out?

I believe Tony graduated last year and posted at 11:43 on a Thursday night...clearly he should have been at the bar!!!

1) read the posts, everybody is clear that neither story is likely to be 100% accurate. Don't be dense, there wouldn't be a game called 'pass it on' if everybody recounted every event identically. Perhaps you have no experience in management or HR, perhaps you are just intentionally being dense as part of the Troll Patrol. Either way, your naivete is charming.

1) i read all the posts. i just laugh at the notion that Glass' account can't be 100% accurate. that's all i'm saying. not saying that it is completely accurate, but for you or anyone else to simply say that it can't be completely accurate is what's naive. so, please, enough with your patronizing attempts.

2) You completely missed the point. Assuming that the only communication out of the dad/son's mouth or keyboard is the email/voicemail to Parker is again naive.

you're right in that i probably missed the point because i had no ***** idea what you were talking about--and still don't. i was talking about the fact parker didn't respond to glass directly or his father. common courtesy to do so IMO.

3) My point wasn't that it had never been done before...it was to try to spur people to think why this is common...was it gutless for Deepthroat to talk to Woodward and Bernstein? There are a myriad of reasons why somebody close to a situation would relay inside information to refute claims made by a disgruntled teammate or co-worker. That is different from just leaking things to hear yourself talk or make yourself seem important. Further, FL has clearly indicated why there is no name attached to the text. Are you really telling me you've never passed on information your boss/spouse/friend/co-worker should know but did it in a "you didn't hear this from me" manner? It is basically the same thing...the player can't be quoted in the paper but they want to make sure people know Glass' side has a few holes. Parker, with 40+ years of experience knows to remain silent and the truth eventually will come out...a 20 year old thinks they need to set the record straight right now...it is called experience.

Again, try looking at this specific situation. I just don't think a college athlete speaking against a former teammate (and anonymously) is all that common. I really can't think of other examples off the top of my head. The truth will eventually come out? Once again, we don't know that. The truth may have already come out.

 

[Federal League]

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FL, did you actively pursue Glass to get this story or did he approach you out of the blue and ask you if you wanted to run a story with his version of the events?

Everyone I've quoted, I approached.

 

[Puck Swami]

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You had me until academic success.

For every Chris Bourque, there's an all-academic type like Shawn Ferrullo, quietly going on to become a doctor. And then there are 20 more BU players who graduate and get on with life. We only hear a lot about the not-so-smart ones, but in the 40 years that Parker's been behind the bench, he's turned out a lot more successes than dolts.

 

[Slasher7]

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For every Chris Bourque, there's an all-academic type like Shawn Ferrullo, quietly going on to become a doctor. And then there are 20 more BU players who graduate and get on with life. We only hear a lot about the not-so-smart ones, but in the 40 years that Parker's been behind the bench, he's turned out a lot more successes than dolts.

Swami, BU is always among the bottom among Hockey East teams when it comes to the All-Academic Team each year. BU also seems to tolerate academic failures as well (Chris Bourque and Dan Lacouture quickly come to mind).

 

[mookie1995]

I believe Tony graduated last year and posted at 11:43 on a Thursday night...clearly he should out at a bar.

we've all seen pix of Tony.... He was home

 

[mookie1995]

. His coaching style doesn't work anymore for kids coming through and it's clearly leading to frustration on his and the player's part.

Colin Wilson
Kevin shattenkiek
Brandon yip
John McCarthy
Nick bonino
Matt gilroy
..all say 'hi'

NCAA championship and NHL experience last two calader years.

Let's see the recent BC list!

 

[Slasher7]

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Colin Wilson
Kevin shattenkiek
Brandon yip
John McCarthy
Nick bonino
Matt gilroy
..all say 'hi'

NCAA championship and NHL experience last two calader years.

Let's see the recent BC list!

BU's low number of Hockey East All-Academics is a fact. Question, out of that list of BUers you mention, how many actually graduated? Half of them? Don't sit here and pretend BU hockey is always among the top teams when it comes to academics, because you'd be flat out wrong.

ps- Are you really asking about recent BC players in the NHL? Seriously?

 

[mookie1995]

because you'd be flat out wrong.

ps- Are you really asking about recent BC players in the NHL? Seriously?

Did I mention "academic" anything? How is your reading comp?!?

Let's see BCs for the past three years? Is it that much more than I typed? If not, where's the problem?!? You brought it up, not me. You made a wild-assed statement, I gave substantial, conflicting evidence.