Boston University 2010-11 part II - The Hunt For Red November

[Bomber]

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Until 3hock stops by to tell me what REALLY happened......

I miss deep throat, er, I mean 3hock.

 

[slurpees]

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Until 3hock stops by to tell me what REALLY happened......

I believe 3hock may not be as closely affiliated with the team as he/she was in recent years.

 

[pirate]

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I believe this was also the name to Boston band Extreme's 3rd album. And a pretty good one at that (and very underrated band and guitarist ... Nuno Bettencourt).

Anyway, you have to wonder why Parker is asking the question if he isn't going to like the answer. Was there a right and a wrong answer? Clearly there was a wrong answer. Was there a right one? Maybe Glass says "I stink, I'm the worst forward on the team..." and Parker says, "you have no confidence and it's a big part of the game, get your head out of your butt or you're going to get kicked off the team..."

Was it one of Parker's classic Jedi mind tricks to get these kids thinking about how much improvement they have to make in the offseason? If so, why not just give the kid an assessment? I would imagine Glass would be given an assessment from Washington scouts since he is drafted as well. I just get a feeling that the answer to his question from the summer questionaire was thrown out there as a reason for his dismissal long after the fact because Parker was just being a crazy man and needed some more "reasons" to fall back on. It just doesn't make sense to cite something like that months after the answer occurred and seems like they never spoke of it once until that point.

And lastly, is Glass' contention that he tested near the top of the team in on-ice and off-ice conditioning true of false? Because if it true, the kid clearly was committed to working hard; conditioning isn't something God just gives you as a gift at birth.

Just throwing some things out there. There's a lot of ins and outs and what have you here....

Anybody can send the text but it wouldn't surprise me if it is from a current player. As I mentioned earlier, you can usually depend on somebody passing on thoughts from closer to the action. If that info is relatively accurate, vs. being a total red herring, then maybe the coach looks a little less crazy.

As for being near the top of conditioning...guess it depends on if that is true, how is that measured, how near to the top was he, did he improve over last year, and if it showed up in practice and games. TO is in pretty good shape, I wouldn't want him on my team though.

I was just trying to point out some 'middle' thoughts and frankly, the "he's crazy" story rarely turns out to be accurate. Students, employees and I guess players can easily pass off the issues as "the teacher hates me", " my boss is crazy" etc...my experience tells me to instantly doubt the maker of such claims.

If he was totally innocent in all of this an assistant coach or captain would have talked to Parker and told him he was off base...that they went to the media with the big sob story tells me they are using that tactic for a reason, if they were right all along it probably wouldn't end up with that article in the press. The idea that a guy with that much experience and that much going on would take the time to persecute some kid, just for kicks, is pretty unlikely, not impossible, but I wouldn't put all my chips on that story.

 

[J.D.]

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Current Terrier speaks out against Glass

Justified or unjustified, that's not the issue to me. What is the issue is how Parker handled it (I'm shocked). Pretty gutless for a current player to go on record...err anonymously

I like how the BC folks come in to bash Parker and then we get more information. Not so fast, guys.

LOL. Ya, that anonymous player really shed some light on the situation.

 

[J.D.]

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"As for the ratings at the end of the season that Glass talked about, the player said Glass neglected to mention that his teammates ranked him in the bottom five in the best teammate category both years he was at BU."

So, Glass new that his teammates voted him bottom five in regard to "best teammate"? Why is that even being polled? Along with having a player rank himself compared to everyone else? I just don't see how that's productive. Seems to me like it could cause more trouble than anything else.

And why the hell would you have to notify anybody about not going to an OPTIONAL lift?

 

[mookie1995]

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And why the hell would you have to notify anybody about not going to an OPTIONAL lift?

-- you know better than this.

seems to me, that if he notified someone that he was studying and would miss the optional event this wouldn't have been the last straw, no?

 

[J.D.]

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seems to me, that if he notified someone that he was studying and would miss the optional event this wouldn't have been the last straw, no?

If not notifying someone about not going to an optional event was the last straw for his dismissal, than IMO said dismissal was indeed unjustified.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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Boy oh boy this is fun to follow.

I like how the BC folks come in to bash Parker and then we get more information. Not so fast, guys.

Hahahaha. Yes, this changed a lot!!!

So, Glass new that his teammates voted him bottom five in regard to "best teammate"? Why is that even being polled? Along with having a player rank himself compared to everyone else? I just don't see how that's productive. Seems to me like it could cause more trouble than anything else.

You have a good point here. This just seems like asking for trouble. Are the 4 players that were below him also going to be frowned upon by Parker or kicked off? Let's say you have someone that likes all of their teammates and Parker asks them to rank them. Well, someone is going to be last. And is Parker going to use something this bizarre against a player? Seems like the smear campaign on Glass already is.

Now we have the Glass camp speaking out against Parker publicly and the Parker camp speaking out about Glass anonymously. Let's see what some of the other players think, might as well poll all of them anonymously and get everyone on record.

Bottom line, if you kick the kid off the team, do it right. Doesn't seem like Jack handled this too well no matter how you slice it. Emptying out a kid's locker, ignoring him, etc. That's gd bush. If you are a coaching legend as many would say he is, I would hope you can figure out how to do this the right way.

 

[mookie1995]

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If not notifying someone about not going to an optional event was the last straw for his dismissal, than IMO said dismissal was indeed unjustified.

a hockey player is no different than an employee in any other job. if you are notified that there is a job at 1130a, but due to the timing of the year it is optional if you have an exam to prepare for, you do the responsible thing and return the text that you have a test tomorrow and are currently studying for said test.

if you also get to hear from the source that there were multiple times in the past when you were late or missed 'jobs' altogether, and also didn't think that you had any responsibility whatsoever to be proactive and let your boss know that you had a test to take care of and may miss the optional lift - well then you are a child and need to grow up immeditately and be thankful that you get to learn this very important life lesson now when you can benefit from taking your daddy into a meeting with you former boss.

unlike Motherwell, this kid wants to bring his laundry into public view. he can do what he wants.

either FL or Hammer reported when this happened that there were no issues with the teammates on the dismissal. i'm happier with that than one kid wondering why he can't go on doing what he wants.

 

[J.D.]

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a hockey player is no different than an employee in any other job. if you are notified that there is a job at 1130a, but due to the timing of the year it is optional if you have an exam to prepare for, you do the responsible thing and return the text that you have a test tomorrow and are currently studying for said test.

if you also get to hear from the source that there were multiple times in the past when you were late or missed 'jobs' altogether, and also didn't think that you had any responsibility whatsoever to be proactive and let your boss know that you had a test to take care of and may miss the optional lift - well then you are a child and need to grow up immeditately and be thankful that you get to learn this very important life lesson now when you can benefit from taking your daddy into a meeting with you former boss.

unlike Motherwell, this kid wants to bring his laundry into public view. he can do what he wants.

either FL or Hammer reported when this happened that there were no issues with the teammates on the dismissal. i'm happier with that than one kid wondering why he can't go on doing what he wants.

I think you're stretching it with that example, but that's fine. That's your opinion. In response:

"While studying in the library that Monday, Glass said he received a text message saying that there had been a change in plans and that there was now an optional team weightlift that day at 1:30 p.m. Glass said the text indicated that anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own, which is what Glass did."

You can't just conveniently leave out that the alleged text message states "anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own". Was there a "PLEASE RESPOND!!!" added to the text that Glass isn't telling us about? I doubt it, but I'll wait for the anonymous Rat (emphasis on rat) Dog to claim otherwise. I'm curious what would have happened if Glass had his phone off in the library and didn't get the message until it was too late...is that grounds for dismissal as well?

I just think the whole thing was handled poorly.

 

[Federal League]

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Anybody can send the text but it wouldn't surprise me if it is from a current player. As I mentioned earlier, you can usually depend on somebody passing on thoughts from closer to the action. If that info is relatively accurate, vs. being a total red herring, then maybe the coach looks a little less crazy.

As for being near the top of conditioning...guess it depends on if that is true, how is that measured, how near to the top was he, did he improve over last year, and if it showed up in practice and games. TO is in pretty good shape, I wouldn't want him on my team though.

I was just trying to point out some 'middle' thoughts and frankly, the "he's crazy" story rarely turns out to be accurate. Students, employees and I guess players can easily pass off the issues as "the teacher hates me", " my boss is crazy" etc...my experience tells me to instantly doubt the maker of such claims.

If he was totally innocent in all of this an assistant coach or captain would have talked to Parker and told him he was off base...that they went to the media with the big sob story tells me they are using that tactic for a reason, if they were right all along it probably wouldn't end up with that article in the press. The idea that a guy with that much experience and that much going on would take the time to persecute some kid, just for kicks, is pretty unlikely, not impossible, but I wouldn't put all my chips on that story.

This is probably the most sensible post/comment I've seen today.

Justified or unjustified, that's not the issue to me. What is the issue is how Parker handled it (I'm shocked). Pretty gutless for a current player to go on record...err anonymously

It certainly seems like Parker could've handled it better, that's for sure. As for the anonymous player, it's probably worth mentioning that I had to convince him to let me use that. It wasn't like he just texted me and said, "This is all BS. Oh, but don't use my name." I pushed to use it because I thought it was worth reporting. He didn't request that it get out, and it wouldn't have had I not pushed for it.

Also worth mentioning that I had heard rumblings along the lines of what he told me even before Glass' response came out. Obviously I've heard rumblings from the other side, too. As others have said, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Everyone will have their own conclusions, but I think it would be unwise for anyone to think their conclusion is fact.

"As for the ratings at the end of the season that Glass talked about, the player said Glass neglected to mention that his teammates ranked him in the bottom five in the best teammate category both years he was at BU."

So, Glass new that his teammates voted him bottom five in regard to "best teammate"? Why is that even being polled? Along with having a player rank himself compared to everyone else? I just don't see how that's productive. Seems to me like it could cause more trouble than anything else.

And why the hell would you have to notify anybody about not going to an OPTIONAL lift?

I know that having players grade themselves is common in sports. Not sure about having them grade their teammates, though, and I'm especially not sure if it's common for players to find out where their teammates rated them. I don't know if the coaches told everyone where they were ranked or if the players just talked about it enough that everyone found out anyway. Or maybe they were grouped into bands just so guys got a general idea? I don't know. Definitely strikes me as an odd exercise.

As for the optional lift, I think mookie put it pretty well. Maybe it's technically true that you shouldn't have to notify anyone, but it seems like it would be common sense that you would just so everyone isn't wondering where you are. Especially if you have a history of being late for stuff. I think that was more of the final straw than a main reason anyway, though. I can say with almost complete certainty that Parker would never punish someone for missing an optional lift because they were studying. And if he ever did, I'm sure President Brown would have something to say about it.

 

[Federal League]

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I think you're stretching it with that example, but that's fine. That's your opinion. In response:

"While studying in the library that Monday, Glass said he received a text message saying that there had been a change in plans and that there was now an optional team weightlift that day at 1:30 p.m. Glass said the text indicated that anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own, which is what Glass did."

You can't just conveniently leave out that the alleged text message states "anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own". Was there a "PLEASE RESPOND!!!" added to the text that Glass isn't telling us about? I doubt it, but I'll wait for the anonymous Rat (emphasis on rat) Dog to claim otherwise. I'm curious what would have happened if Glass had his phone off in the library and didn't get the message until it was too late...is that grounds for dismissal as well?

I just think the whole thing was handled poorly.

I never saw the text, so keep in mind that the only account of what that text said is from Glass. I've also heard that the lift was planned on Sunday along with the practice on Tuesday and that the text was just a reminder. I have no idea if that's true, though, and I have no idea what the text actually said.

 

[mookie1995]

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I think you're stretching it with that example, but that's fine. That's your opinion. In response:

"While studying in the library that Monday, Glass said he received a text message saying that there had been a change in plans and that there was now an optional team weightlift that day at 1:30 p.m. Glass said the text indicated that anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own, which is what Glass did."

You can't just conveniently leave out that the alleged text message states "anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own". Was there a "PLEASE RESPOND!!!" added to the text that Glass isn't telling us about? I doubt it, but I'll wait for the anonymous Rat (emphasis on rat) Dog to claim otherwise. I'm curious what would have happened if Glass had his phone off in the library and didn't get the message until it was too late...is that grounds for dismissal as well?

I just think the whole thing was handled poorly.

poorly. yup.
anytime you release from your team someone you recruited is a waste of time and money. both of which are limited.

but just because you don't type "please respond", does that mean you don't if you are going to miss the main session?
that you not find the effort it takes to respond worthy of your coaches?
that you perhaps discount the fact of your history of ..tardiness?

something like this involves both sides. if andy was a potential enough problem that he had to go, he should have gone in the summer. middle-of-season things like this only sidetrack you from your goals.

----and i DO NOT want to hear who was on the "worst 5 teammates" list. that is assine. in fact, i find filling that out on paper to be absolutely stupid.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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I'll say this, there is a lot of reasonable discussion on here from all people that are giving input (except BU Fanboy 84... which is typical for him).

Props to FL for reporting what he has. I think you've done a solid job here.

 

[Onion Man]

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Current Terrier speaks out against Glass

Not sure what's funnier here. The fact that Parker in a senile moment kicked a player off the team and forgot why or that fact that a current player is throwing a former teammate under the bus. Clearly Glass is only mad because Warsofskiy didn't invite him to his beer bash last March.

 

[pirate]

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Justified or unjustified, that's not the issue to me. What is the issue is how Parker handled it (I'm shocked). Pretty gutless for a current player to go on record...err anonymously



LOL. Ya, that anonymous player really shed some light on the situation.

yeah, in the history of america I think this is the first time somebody wanted to get their perspective, and possibly the truth, made public without their name being attached...try employing some common sense

 

[Onion Man]

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yeah, in the history of america I think this is the first time somebody wanted to get their perspective, and possibly the truth, made public without their name being attached...try employing some common sense

Winner of the # 1 worst teammate poll: The nutless wonder who chose to trash a teammate and not put his name on it. Maybe he is Jack Parker's drinking buddy.

 

[jjmc85]

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but just because you don't type "please respond", does that mean you don't if you are going to miss the main session?
that you not find the effort it takes to respond worthy of your coaches?
that you perhaps discount the fact of your history of ..tardiness?

According to the blog, "Glass said the text indicated that anyone with study commitments could just go after and do the workout on their own, which is what Glass did." If what Glass told the blog is true, then it sounds to me like he fulfilled his obligations. In fact, one could argue he went above and beyond, as it was "optional." If what Glass said was true, then I don't see how anyone could see it differently, truth be told.

----and i DO NOT want to hear who was on the "worst 5 teammates" list. that is assine. in fact, i find filling that out on paper to be absolutely stupid.

I read it as they were asked to name the best teammates and he was one of the five guys who got the least amount of votes.

 

[pirate]

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Winner of the # 1 worst teammate poll: The nutless wonder who chose to trash a teammate and not put his name on it. Maybe he is Jack Parker's drinking buddy.

Hey genius....People have been going to coaches, bosses, friends, the press etc. on condition of anonymity for more than just the last few days...let's just say that since there are a hundred+ of ex-players that would say Parker has been a great coach and friend that this player might want to support his coach. Do you think Parker wants him or any current player to go to the press on his behalf? Unlikely. Parker already knows if the team liked Glass or not...he could have easily rolled the bus over this kid more than once.

As for the survey...I would suspect it doesn't say..."rank your worst teammate"...it might be votes for captain or votes for best teammate...and somebody has to get the least votes...if it is a frosh on an experienced team that wouldn't mean they are a bad player or won't be captain someday...if it is a kid who has been at BU for a while and comes in with low scores two years in a row, that could be something else. Maybe, just maybe, somebody doing this for 38 years is capable of balancing the feedback from that type of survey with other knowledge and deciding what might be a popularity issue and what might be a character flaw.

360 feedback isn't everybody's preference and there are distinct pros and cons...if the coach makes the survey part of the team process then you fill out the thing honestly and take any feedback you get...part of growing up.

 

[Onion Man]

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Maybe this is why Warso sets up beer parties, so he can stay popular and not end up on the "non popular" list and get canned. It all makes sense now