Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

[mwade]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

A) it wasn't a bad hit by Restuccia
B) ***?? Where is retaliation implied? Because I used Kehoe in an illustration that Doiran/Piacentini weren't calling penalties anytime (should have said every time to make it clearer that I was saying they were allowing clean, physical play) a player hit the ice? The Kehoe/Motherwell collision was pretty big and likely to remembered by those that watched the game.
C) Kehoe was down/or going down on one knee when they collided (puck was just past her). Not sure what you expected Restuccia to do. She doesn't have super powers.

 

[DC78-82]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

The photo evidence is irrefutable! A player does not get horizontal that high in the air without intentionally going at it! Additionally, a player's fist doesn't end up in the opposing players head/throat area without being intended and a major penalty called! BTW, bro, I did watch the telecast on NESN and was completely appalled at the hit, as well as the officials lack of proper rule enforcement. The photo doesn't lie bro....

Chip

Chip - I can't speak for Ms. Restuccia, but it appears from the numerous times I've watched the incident now,
1. Restuccia is that high in the air because KK hit her at the hip / thigh and pretty much lifted her with the momentum she had, and
2. that the reason her arm (and fist, if you can really tell that from the outside of a hockey glove) is outstretched is to break her fall. It's a good thing it's there too, because in the nano-seconds after that photo was taken, and while Restuccia was breaking said fall, KK got her leg out from under her body and straightened out, and very likely was spared a knee injury that would make the ankle look insignificant.

The photo doesn't lie, but it doesn't tell the whole story by any means. Time to start healing.

I hope Kehoe is going to heal fully, but it was very clearly unintended. KK was doing everything she could, in a championship game, to prevent the opposition from playing the puck.

 

[DumbStruck]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

With all do respect to all opining here...if you were not at the game and witnessed the collision, you have no informed opinion/observation. Mellisa witnessed...Tony, et al were on the strong side of the arena and would not have seen objectively (due to angle).

Both players aggressively reacted to puck coming up boards...Keogh went to boards...Restuccia went to intercept...Keogh faltered close to boards and "ended up low"...Restuccia ended up high...impact was equally delivered with Restuccia rolling over on top...and Keogh's leg buckling. There was no blatant/intentional hit...in women's hockey, if there is impact/collision..rule says larger player is called. Let it go....

 

[chippy]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Chip - I can't speak for Ms. Restuccia, but it appears from the numerous times I've watched the incident now,
1. Restuccia is that high in the air because KK hit her at the hip / thigh and pretty much lifted her with the momentum she had, and
2. that the reason her arm (and fist, if you can really tell that from the outside of a hockey glove) is outstretched is to break her fall. It's a good thing it's there too, because in the nano-seconds after that photo was taken, and while Restuccia was breaking said fall, KK got her leg out from under her body and straightened out, and very likely was spared a knee injury that would make the ankle look insignificant.

The photo doesn't lie, but it doesn't tell the whole story by any means. Time to start healing.

I hope Kehoe is going to heal fully, but it was very clearly unintended. KK was doing everything she could, in a championship game, to prevent the opposition from playing the puck.

With all due respect, my friend...I disagree. I too have watched the NESN video over a few times as well as the photos (there is a complete sequence at the link). I also am aware that you were seated there, however your view was obviously skewed as far as the angle the photos were taken from. I was and continue to be dumbfounded at the insignificant minor penalty called for such a "Cheap" shot. My experience of only a couple of minutes lifetime exposure to the sport of hockey leaves me with my assessment that:

A player does not get horizontal that high in the air without intentionally going at it! Additionally, a player's fist doesn't end up in the opposing players head/throat area without being intended and a major penalty called!

Again, I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint. I also believe that the NCAA and Hockey East league would be well served to take a page from the many other D1 and Professional sports, considering the telecast tape and the photographic trail of evidence available, and conduct a review to officially determine if any infraction was in fact committed and additional penalties imposed! It is commonplace nowadays for leagues to review and impose appropriate additional penalties found to be warranted after the fact if it was not correctly called at game time.

Just my humble opinion, which does not agree with yours. One thing I do believe is that the law of physics will eventually prevail...........What goes around comes around!

Chip

 

[DumbStruck]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Chip...well said.

 

[hockeyfan111]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Was at the game and saw the multiple still photos that clearly depict both players moving aggressively towards one another. both players are fighting for their school and the hockey east championship so neither backs off (why should they?). they collide. one lower than the other. simple physics will tell you in advance what is going to happen. for those unfamiliar with the formula, here it is:

Formula for force is Newton's Second Law of Motion: Force = Mass * Acceleration. One player seems to have had more Mass and Acceleration and that in itself is not a penalty. In addition, there are no cheap shots exhibited by either player; no elbows, no fists rising with intent to strike, no low bridging with intent to injure. So unless there is a rule that says two players can not go for the puck and collide, then the play should be legit.

For those at the game, it appeared that Dioron, made the penaly call and he was very distant to the play while his counterpart Piacintino (sp??) was nearby and did not have her arm in the air. This makes me very suspicious regarding the intentions of Dioran as his calls versus BC were very questionable and inconsistent all weekend. The Motherwell collission is further evidence of this concern.

Finally, i hope that the Northeastern player is OK as it appeared in the photos that her leg was in a very awkward position throughout the play.

With all do respect to all opining here...if you were not at the game and witnessed the collision, you have no informed opinion/observation. Mellisa witnessed...Tony, et al were on the strong side of the arena and would not have seen objectively (due to angle).

Both players aggressively reacted to puck coming up boards...Keogh went to boards...Restuccia went to intercept...Keogh faltered close to boards and "ended up low"...Restuccia ended up high...impact was equally delivered with Restuccia rolling over on top...and Keogh's leg buckling. There was no blatant/intentional hit...in women's hockey, if there is impact/collision..rule says larger player is called. Let it go....

 

[DumbStruck]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

But....was going to let comments run..yet too egregious and afoul.. No way was a cheap shot...no way intentional. Have first hand knowledge...first hand observation...first hand verbal comments from both players and NEU coach. If you never played the game and never were on the ice...you can not speak to with authority. Get on with it. Let's speak to Committee selections...

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Sorry, I forgot how sensitive some of you folks in the east are.

Sorry, it's just that out east, we are generally really well educated and reading the drivel of an idiot has kind of become a peeve.

In any case, so those of us who haven't seen video of the Restuccia/Kehoe collision, hopefully this will help.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fu7RLo5VZuk?hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fu7RLo5VZuk?hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

chip, I respect the hell out of you, but I think you may be a bit too emotionally attached to be unbiased.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

For those at the game, it appeared that Dioron, made the penaly call and he was very distant to the play while his counterpart Piacintino (sp??) was nearby and did not have her arm in the air. This makes me very suspicious regarding the intentions of Dioran as his calls versus BC were very questionable and inconsistent all weekend. The Motherwell collission is further evidence of this concern.

Doiron didn't put his hand in the air until well after the play, once he saw Kehoe on the ice. The same thing happened on a penalty on NU at another point in the game where the ref was clearly not looking at the play, saw the player down, and made the call. Really, that's just inexcusable.

 

[ARM]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

In any case, so those of us who haven't seen video of the Restuccia/Kehoe collision, hopefully this will help.

Thanks for sharing that. It seems whenever I see a play where a skater turns and "lookout! someone's coming at me!" and she puts her arms up, the officials tend to call that a check. I realize that the player is just instictively trying to protect herself by bringing the arms in front of her body, and I'm not educated in officiating enough to say what the right call is, but I'm not surprised that a penalty was called. Obviously in this case, it looks worse because the opposing player had fallen and her head was in the path of the BC player's arms. I agree that it is nothing intentional, just an instinctive move.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Thanks for sharing that. It seems whenever I see a play where a skater turns and "lookout! someone's coming at me!" and she puts her arms up, the officials tend to call that a check. I realize that the player is just instictively trying to protect herself by bringing the arms in front of her body, and I'm not educated in officiating enough to say what the right call is, but I'm not surprised that a penalty was called. Obviously in this case, it looks worse because the opposing player had fallen and her head was in the path of the BC player's arms. I agree that it is nothing intentional, just an instinctive move.

That was well said, and I don't even think Restuccia's arms came up until after contact was made. That right there should be proof that it was a reflex to protect herself.

 

[Hux]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

With all due respect, my friend...I disagree. I too have watched the NESN video over a few times as well as the photos (there is a complete sequence at the link). I also am aware that you were seated there, however your view was obviously skewed as far as the angle the photos were taken from. I was and continue to be dumbfounded at the insignificant minor penalty called for such a "Cheap" shot. My experience of only a couple of minutes lifetime exposure to the sport of hockey leaves me with my assessment that:

A player does not get horizontal that high in the air without intentionally going at it! Additionally, a player's fist doesn't end up in the opposing players head/throat area without being intended and a major penalty called!

Again, I respectfully disagree with your viewpoint. I also believe that the NCAA and Hockey East league would be well served to take a page from the many other D1 and Professional sports, considering the telecast tape and the photographic trail of evidence available, and conduct a review to officially determine if any infraction was in fact committed and additional penalties imposed! It is commonplace nowadays for leagues to review and impose appropriate additional penalties found to be warranted after the fact if it was not correctly called at game time.

Just my humble opinion, which does not agree with yours. One thing I do believe is that the law of physics will eventually prevail...........What goes around comes around!

Chip

I was there and watched the play and didn't think it was a hit at the time.

Watching the video in slow motion (courtesy of the DVR) it is clear that Miss Restuccia gets to the puck first. Miss Kehoe dove for the puck and had touched the ice as Miss Restuccia swipes at the puck. There is no way that either player can stop at that point. Miss Kehoe, in a bent over position, slides head first into Miss Restuccia at waist height. Miss Restuccia's feet are on the ice, her arms actually heading inward and not up. She had no time to even brace herself for impact. And it is obvious she is in no way attempting to lay a hit on Miss Kehoe. The impact upends Miss Restuccia and in the blink of an eye they are on the ice. Any hand/arm motion during the upending is purely physics and has no time for any purposeful intent. Miss Restuccia, realizing that Miss Kehoe is hurt, very gingerly gets up off of Miss Kehoe, indicating beyond a doubt that she had no intention of laying any hurt upon Miss Kehoe.

 

[vellnueve]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

If someone thinks that was an intentional hit, they're a friggin' idiot. I hadn't even heard a thing about this until I saw that video clip. It was pretty obvious that the contact was not intentional, at least on the part of #22.

 

[PTS34]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Stupid play on Kehoe's part really. Shouldn't have dove at the puck like that when she saw Restuccia coming at the puck quickly. Really put herself in position to get hit in the head... nothing dirty about this at all. Just a bad collusion because of a pretty questionable decision by Kehoe to dive with her head down. Hope she's okay though.

 

[chippy]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

I was there and watched the play and didn't think it was a hit at the time.

Watching the video in slow motion (courtesy of the DVR) it is clear that Miss Restuccia gets to the puck first. Miss Kehoe dove for the puck and had touched the ice as Miss Restuccia swipes at the puck. There is no way that either player can stop at that point. Miss Kehoe, in a bent over position, slides head first into Miss Restuccia at waist height. Miss Restuccia's feet are on the ice, her arms actually heading inward and not up. She had no time to even brace herself for impact. And it is obvious she is in no way attempting to lay a hit on Miss Kehoe. The impact upends Miss Restuccia and in the blink of an eye they are on the ice. Any hand/arm motion during the upending is purely physics and has no time for any purposeful intent. Miss Restuccia, realizing that Miss Kehoe is hurt, very gingerly gets up off of Miss Kehoe, indicating beyond a doubt that she had no intention of laying any hurt upon Miss Kehoe.

Agian, my friend, I respectfully disagree. The laws of physics and gravity do not support your explaination. My view of the video replay doesn't match your explaination either. The photos and the video, which I have viewed and do not interpret as you, do paint a different picture. A league review would absolutely be in order, however I wouldn't hold my breath. My humble opinion which doesn't match yours. Period. Time to move on!

Good Luck in the next round. Watch out for, "What goes around," because, "It just may come back around!"

Chip

 

[Hux]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Agian, my friend, I respectfully disagree. The laws of physics and gravity do not support your explaination. My view of the video replay doesn't match your explaination either. The photos and the video, which I have viewed and do not interpret as you, do paint a different picture. A league review would absolutely be in order, however I wouldn't hold my breath. My humble opinion which doesn't match yours. Period. Time to move on!

Good Luck in the next round. Watch out for, "What goes around," because, "It just may come back around!" Chip

Dude, you need to take off the parental colored glasses and see the play for what it was, two players going for the puck and one coming out on the short end because she was in a more vulnerable position. One that she put herself in, and the other player had ZERO chance to avoid. The laws of physics do support the explanation because the video CLEARLY shows that everything was the result of the impact. There was no intent to facewash, punch, poke, prod or otherwise harm or molest Kristi in any way, shape or form. Period

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Dude, you need to take off the parental colored glasses

I lol'd.

 

[PTS34]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Agian, my friend, I respectfully disagree. The laws of physics and gravity do not support your explaination. My view of the video replay doesn't match your explaination either. The photos and the video, which I have viewed and do not interpret as you, do paint a different picture. A league review would absolutely be in order, however I wouldn't hold my breath. My humble opinion which doesn't match yours. Period. Time to move on!

Good Luck in the next round. Watch out for, "What goes around," because, "It just may come back around!"

Chip

Wow have you ever played hockey? If you dive at someone with your head down who's coming in full speed for the puck... well your gonna get absolutely wrecked 99% of the time. This is almost all Kehoe's fault and if you can't see that, well, then this conversation won't get anywhere.


Reading your other posts in this thread though, I'm thinking your trolling, and I'll award you 2/10 for your pretty weak effort.

 

[RStarr]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

Not intentional on either part, but both should be penalized for skating with their head down. bad form, yo.

 

[whoop87]

Re: Boston College Women's Hockey 2010-2011: Schaus In Da Haus

I agree with Hux and PTS34. I watched the replay several times and Restuccia was not at fault here. I don't even think she saw Kehoe coming. Watch the replay in slow motion - Restuccia is looking at the puck the whole time and then curls to avoid running into the boards after she gets to it first. It is unfortunate that Kehoe got hurt but she put herself in an awkward position by going in headfirst at waist level. I hope Kehoe will be back on her feet soon.