Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

[Federal League]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

Also, I stumbled along this dandy... don't think I've ever seen it posted before in one of our BU/BC threads before. Made me laugh
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/boston-university/816929-bu-vs-bc.html

Not nearly enough flames. Next.

 

[Agganis]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

So in summary:

"bc is sooooo pretty and awesome, why cant we just fellate them like the rest of the city does while quietly only hating their hockey team?"

Belch. What a wet-blanket article.
This is a rivalry weekend. Engage the hate!!

It's funny I read this article in the Freep and before I was even done thought "I wonder how long til this makes it to USCHO." Well I guess I have my answer. I have no problem with the opinions displayed in the article and I know fans who feel the same way as the writer, and others who feel the same way BU and BC fans he described, however I also know BU and BC fans who are vastly different from what was described in the article. The main problem I think people perceive in the article is that whenever you write something describing in detail how you act in a situation, how it is different than others, it is generally portrayed as either taking the high and mighty approach or as a suggestion for others to convert to the writer's method. I don't know the writer enough to know if he is writing for either one of those reasons, so assuming he isn't the article is fine by me, but who knows

why don't BU and BC play in bball more? obviously BU basketball is terrible (at least when compared to the amazingness that is Syracuse basketball that I get to witness these days)... but they schedule teams like Notre Dame and UCONN the past two years, so why not play BC. It's essentially a free win for BC, they could probably market the game to be played at TD Bank with the number of fans that would want to see a matchup like this. Hell, maybe you could just have basketball-type Beanpot.

That might be the only game that would sell out at Agganis.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'm pretty sure Dennis Wolff tried to schedule BC several times during his tenure at BU, but Al Skinner and the BC Athletics Dept wanted no part of it. When you think about it, why would they? BC doesn't have to prove to anyone that they have the superior basketball program. All playing BU would do is give a local small program a chance to upset the local power. But then again, BC did schedule NU in football this year, so...

IIRC the teams used to play rather frequently, but always at Conte, and then BC discontinued the matchup all together, but I could be way of base with that. And yeah I agree the risk of losing to a crosstown rival is worse than the reward of the few extra seats sold to the local opposing fan base versus a farther away mid major BC could schedule. Maybe if Chambers builds enough fan support that the number of extra tickets sold for BC would be worth the risk the matchup would renew? I'm not holding my breath.

 

[yankeefn01]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

Muse has been shaky, and our offense has been ridiculous - and balanced. We have about 9 players with 3+ goals. Should be a fun, fun game to watch.

# of players with 3+ goals (all according to USCHO stats)

BC - 7
BU - 7
Maine - 8
UML - 9
UMass - 9
Mack - 7
UNH - 7
NU - 6
PC - 8
UVM - 7

Not that this improves BU's chances at all...

 

[candycanes99]

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Oh, I definitely can see a situation where it becomes a cakewalk.

This is why you don't.

Look, I'm not going to pretend I know anything about 2009-2010 BC, but we've both lost to (an admittedly better) Merrimack. This isn't quite like either of the last two years in my mind where the dominance is predictable. Both teams have to give 100% to win and can't get by with less. More of BC's players have done that more often so far, but I see both teams doing that when they meet.

And yeah, it becomes a cakewalk if BC scores thrice within the first 44 seconds. And it would be ironic. But apart from that...

 

[Bumbles]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

That might be the only game that would sell out at Agganis.

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I'm pretty sure Dennis Wolff tried to schedule BC several times during his tenure at BU, but Al Skinner and the BC Athletics Dept wanted no part of it. When you think about it, why would they? BC doesn't have to prove to anyone that they have the superior basketball program. All playing BU would do is give a local small program a chance to upset the local power. But then again, BC did schedule NU in football this year, so...

Yet BC keeps scheduling Harvard. I honestly think we'll see a BU BC basketball game some time in the new future though assuming the whole "new era of BU basketball" comes to fruition.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

I disagree.

You seriously think this wouldn't sell out Conte?

Unless bu plans on bringing 4,000 people, it wouldn't happen.

 

[yankeefn01]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

You seriously think this wouldn't sell out Conte?

Unless bu plans on bringing 4,000 people, it wouldn't happen.

if marketed in the right way, and put on a date/time when you can attract more people who will not be preoccupied with jobs, then yes, it could sell out.

BC could also cover empty seats with tarps (like UML used to do in Tsongas), and could get a sellout that way too

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

# of players with 3+ goals (all according to USCHO stats)

BC - 7
BU - 7
Maine - 8
UML - 9
UMass - 9
Mack - 7
UNH - 7
NU - 6
PC - 8
UVM - 7

Not that this improves BU's chances at all...

+1. Didn't know that . We HAVE played fewer games than anyone in the conference, though.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

yes, it could sell out.

The last time the two teams played at Conte, in 2004, the place was almost exactly half full.

This game would. not. sell. out.

 

[mookie1995]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

if marketed in the right way, and put on a date/time when you can attract more people who will not be preoccupied with jobs, then yes, it could sell out.

BC could also cover empty seats with tarps (like UML used to do in Tsongas), and could get a sellout that way too

you could give away seats for free, and everyone could get their own personal 'tiger woods' party host..... and it wouldn't sell out.

even now they sell out duke & unc when they visit. but the other league games are hit and miss. (08/09: sell out wake, 1,000 empty for miami, 500 empty for vtech) granted 8600 is a big house to fill and BU would never, ever do that well if we played in a decent conference.

 

[BCHF]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

Hi all!

Just a couple of thoughts about the weekend...

UMASS strategy is to control Marcou. Keep the contest 5 on 5 and BC will be fine in hostile crowd #1.

BU game will be very, very hard fought and will go right down to the wire. BU will look much different with a healthy Warso playing better every game. BU will play like a team on a mission and this game means much more to them then BC. Crowd will be intense and will have a very positive impact on BU performance. A victory here by BC would be a major stride for this club and would raise the bar of expectation significantly going forward.

Should be tremendously challenging weekend for the young Eagles.

 

[ericredaxe]

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why don't BU and BC play in bball more? obviously BU basketball is terrible (at least when compared to the amazingness that is Syracuse basketball that I get to witness these days)... but they schedule teams like Notre Dame and UCONN the past two years, so why not play BC. It's essentially a free win for BC, they could probably market the game to be played at TD Bank with the number of fans that would want to see a matchup like this. Hell, maybe you could just have basketball-type Beanpot.

BU did play BC at Conte four years in a row in recent years. I went to at least two of them and they were not sold out (or if they were sold out there were tons of season ticket holders who did not show).

Nov 18th 2001 BC 82 BU 65 Attendance 5,528
Nov 26th 2002 BC 80 BU 61 Attendance 4,680
Nov 29th 2003 BC 67 BU 44 Attendance 4,336
Dec 11th 2004 BC 80 BU 74 Attendance: 4,398

My understanding was that Skinner did not want to play anymore as the "crosstown rival fever" never really developed, and Wolff did not like that BC would not come to BU to play even on a 3 for 1 baisis. (Not that I blame Skinner for that).

IIRC, stupidly, a couple of them were on nights when BU had a home hockey game... which I'm sure hurt the BU attendance at these games.

If BU wants this to happen, it's really on us to keep improving the Basketball team so that we could be a worthy "crosstown rival".

 

[yankeefn01]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

BU did play BC at Conte four years in a row in recent years. I went to at least two of them and they were not sold out (or if they were sold out there were tons of season ticket holders who did not show).

Nov 18th 2001 BC 82 BU 65 Attendance 5,528
Nov 26th 2002 BC 80 BU 61 Attendance 4,680
Nov 29th 2003 BC 67 BU 44 Attendance 4,336
Dec 11th 2004 BC 80 BU 74 Attendance: 4,398

My understanding was that Skinner did not want to play anymore as the "crosstown rival fever" never really developed, and Wolff did not like that BC would not come to BU to play even on a 3 for 1 baisis. (Not that I blame Skinner for that).

IIRC, stupidly, a couple of them were on nights when BU had a home hockey game... which I'm sure hurt the BU attendance at these games.

If BU wants this to happen, it's really on us to keep improving the Basketball team so that we could be a worthy "crosstown rival".

But that is exactly the point. BU's bball team is much improved from 2004. The difference in the basketball team between my freshman year and senior year at BU was tremendous, both in talent of the team and attendance of the games. And as I said before, now that the Celtics are good again, maybe Boston fans are back on the basketball bandwagon, and would be more willing to attend a rival game between two boston schools.

In no way am I saying that it's a guaranteed sellout, but it certainly isn't impossible.

 

[Carmine Scarpaglia]

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And as I said before, now that the Celtics are good again, maybe Boston fans are back on the basketball bandwagon, and would be more willing to attend a rival game between two boston schools.

No offense, but this is seriously grasping at straws like I've never seen on this board. You think because the Celtics are good again that people care more about hoops now? And that hoops fans will all rush to see BC-BU because the Celtics are good again and now they're more into hoops? If they were into good hoops, they'd find a way to see UNC or Duke when they come to town and get tix to the NCAA tourneys that BC hosts every few years.

In no way am I saying that it's a guaranteed sellout, but it certainly isn't impossible.

they could probably market the game to be played at TD Bank with the number of fans that would want to see a matchup like this.

Now I'm not going to put words in your mouth (there's probably something in there already), but it really would seem like your implying that so many fans would want to see this, that it would be unwise to hold it in a small venue at Conte and that it should be moved to the Garden.

I also find it hilarious that you went from suggesting that it should be played at the Garden to saying "I disagree" that BC-BU wouldn't sell out at Conte. And now that no one agrees with you at all you're saying that you don't think it's a guaranteed sell out at Conte even. Michael Jackson is dead but the moonwalk is still alive. Seeing you backpedal like this reminds me of the Weird Al video for "Eat it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyfcOriVKBM

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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In no way am I saying that it's a guaranteed sellout, but it certainly isn't impossible.

No matter how many times you say it, you're still wrong. And fat.

 

[joegrav]

Re: Boston College @ Boston University, 12/5 - The First Of Four Venues

BC dropped BU from the schedule because BU lost by less than 10 last time. That was the cue to schedule South Carolina Upstate and Bryant instead.

 

[theprofromdover]

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And as I said before, now that the Celtics are good again, maybe Boston fans are back on the basketball bandwagon, and would be more willing to attend a rival game between two boston schools.
.

Have I ever mentioned your resemblance to bag of hammers?

 

[ericredaxe]

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But that is exactly the point. BU's bball team is much improved from 2004. The difference in the basketball team between my freshman year and senior year at BU was tremendous, both in talent of the team and attendance of the games. And as I said before, now that the Celtics are good again, maybe Boston fans are back on the basketball bandwagon, and would be more willing to attend a rival game between two boston schools.

In no way am I saying that it's a guaranteed sellout, but it certainly isn't impossible.

During those 4 years that we played BC we were in the NCAA tourney once and the NIT each of the other 3 years. By what measure are you saying we are much improved?

BC does not get a full house for many of their ACC games, let alone selling out the Garden against BU.

There is no way this would ever sell out the Garden.... in fact, BC and UMass used to try this in a game they called the "Commonwealth Classic". The first year it was a sellout or close to it (on the heels of UMass being really really good) and ulitmatley it was scrapped and moved to the teams home arenas. I'm not even sure if they play anymore.

 

[BUT09]

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So there is this game, played on ice, with sticks. It's fast, and much more fun to watch than the one with the big orange ball. And there are these two teams that actually play in the same conference and are legitimately rivals (possibly with a documentary on it, even). And they are playing each other tomorrow.

Just so everyone knows.

 

[yankeefn01]

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Seeing you backpedal like this reminds me of the Weird Al video for "Eat it."

you're still wrong. And fat.

Have I ever mentioned your resemblance to bag of hammers?

all i've really gotten out of all of this is that despite BC's assumed dominance of all sports outside of hockey, they're scared to schedule BU because there's a pretty good chance that BU beats BC... despite BC playing in the far superior Athletics conference in the ACC they're scared that they can't beat a team from America East.

Red Hot Hockey can sell 18,000+ tickets to a collge hockey game, in a city that hasn't even heard of college hockey, and BC and BU fans alike think that not only a BU/BC game couldn't sell out at Conte, but wouldn't even sell a single section at TD? What does that say about the pride in the city of boston? Red Hot Hockey sells as many tickets as it does because it is very well marketed, and because Cornell fans have great pride in their team, their alma mater, and will show up at a venue like MSG to go support their school. A factor like this seems to be missing in Boston, especially over in chestnut hill. You guys really do give the Superfraud name its due.

But it's okay, i'm fat, and that's obviously the reason that Boston doesn't have enough pride to support BU or BC. Absolutely pathetic.

Good luck to both teams this weekend. Go BU, and don't forget to pop those collars superfrauds, because you might need a shield from father o'malley.

Go BU! I'm out, see you ******* in the beanpot thread.