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Problems? It's not an odd thing to say, it's downright wrong.
Problems? It's not an odd thing to say, it's downright wrong.
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Big Ten Hockey Conference
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Let's keep in mind that this is the same AD who publicly called out hockey alums in the media when they didn't give enough for the proposed hockey facility addition to the Kohl Center. And then, a few months later, publicly begged the University to help fund a $77 million dollar facility for football. (What, the football alumni didn't step up to the plate, Barry?)
So far, his legacy as AD consists of taking credit for a lot of things that Pat Richter did.
That's nowhere near as shocking as the fact that he would give a **** about anything besides the football program when it comes to his legacy.
Let's keep in mind that this is the same AD who publicly called out hockey alums in the media when they didn't give enough for the proposed hockey facility addition to the Kohl Center. And then, a few months later, publicly begged the University to help fund a $77 million dollar facility for football. (What, the football alumni didn't step up to the plate, Barry?)
So far, his legacy as AD consists of taking credit for a lot of things that Pat Richter did.
Dirty
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For how long though? Soon you'll be a washed up hag. So Martina Navratilova, only without the talent.
At least we're pretty.
For how long though? Soon you'll be a washed up hag. So Martina Navratilova, only without the talent.
bigblue_dl
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Duluth News Tribune
Interesting article. The wheels have been in motion all summer for PSU adding hockey.
Lucia said, Minnesota will still continue to play the likes of UMD and SCSU.
Duluth News Tribune
Interesting article. The wheels have been in motion all summer for PSU adding hockey.
Lucia said, Minnesota will still continue to play the likes of UMD and SCSU.
SCSU Euro
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I'm not in any way saying he's lying, I think they would still play Duluth and St. Cloud, but of COURSE he's gonna say that, he's not gonna go, "If we up and leave, you'll never see us again." Plus, doesn't say they'll TRAVEL to St. Cloud or Duluth, just that they'll play them.
I'm not in any way saying he's lying, I think they would still play Duluth and St. Cloud, but of COURSE he's gonna say that, he's not gonna go, "If we up and leave, you'll never see us again." Plus, doesn't say they'll TRAVEL to St. Cloud or Duluth, just that they'll play them.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
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Considering Minnesota's play in football over the weekend, maybe the Big 10 will go down to the Big 9. Problem solved ...
I guess we have a different opinion of a "big" football conference
Considering Minnesota's play in football over the weekend, maybe the Big 10 will go down to the Big 9. Problem solved ...
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
RaceBoarder
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Random thought here that really kinda puts the whole Big Ten Network thing into perspective:
Last season, BTN showed Northern Michigan take on Michigan live from Chrysler Arena... This is a bouncyball EXHIBITION game... The mere fact that they are willing to show that game makes a statement to me... I'm sure it wasn't the only early season basketball game of that nature shown... That shows you how much they prioritize bouncy and oblong ball there..
I just can't see the Network making a huge push to get hockey to fill their Friday/Saturday timeslots... If this was the case, I think we would see "Big Ten" doubleheaders on Saturdays... Something like a Michigan game at 4 EST and then Minny at 7 EST or something along those lines... I just can't see TV being a big factor as this progresses... It's merely a side effect of any decisions that are made one way or the other... Nothing more...
Random thought here that really kinda puts the whole Big Ten Network thing into perspective:
Last season, BTN showed Northern Michigan take on Michigan live from Chrysler Arena... This is a bouncyball EXHIBITION game... The mere fact that they are willing to show that game makes a statement to me... I'm sure it wasn't the only early season basketball game of that nature shown... That shows you how much they prioritize bouncy and oblong ball there..
I just can't see the Network making a huge push to get hockey to fill their Friday/Saturday timeslots... If this was the case, I think we would see "Big Ten" doubleheaders on Saturdays... Something like a Michigan game at 4 EST and then Minny at 7 EST or something along those lines... I just can't see TV being a big factor as this progresses... It's merely a side effect of any decisions that are made one way or the other... Nothing more...
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To some degree, they prioritize basketball because they have access to those TV rights easily.
The Big Ten gets the media rights to all the home games they play. Things get tricky in hockey, because both the Big Ten and the WCHA/CCHA have a legitimate claim to those rights, not to mention the fact that from years of being ignored on a national or conference wide basis, many teams have their own local media arrangements.
It's easy to sort all of this out in, say, basketball when there's a clear hierarchy of contracts and authorities - the Big Ten has contracts with ESPN for weeknight hoops games and with CBS for a Saturday game of the week - all other games were previously syndicated on ESPN Plus, but are now produced and distributed by the BTN. Hockey's arrangements vary from school to school, and even from game to game.
Once you put all of that in the context of a Big Ten Hockey Conference, it's a lot easier to sort that stuff out.
I'd agree that TV isn't the driving factor behind adding hockey, but having the BTN is certainly an added incentive for a school like Penn State to add hockey, knowing that they can hop on to something that already has momentum, rather than try to build that media presence from scratch or try to gain entry into one of the few but full stable college hockey conferences.
To some degree, they prioritize basketball because they have access to those TV rights easily.
The Big Ten gets the media rights to all the home games they play. Things get tricky in hockey, because both the Big Ten and the WCHA/CCHA have a legitimate claim to those rights, not to mention the fact that from years of being ignored on a national or conference wide basis, many teams have their own local media arrangements.
It's easy to sort all of this out in, say, basketball when there's a clear hierarchy of contracts and authorities - the Big Ten has contracts with ESPN for weeknight hoops games and with CBS for a Saturday game of the week - all other games were previously syndicated on ESPN Plus, but are now produced and distributed by the BTN. Hockey's arrangements vary from school to school, and even from game to game.
Once you put all of that in the context of a Big Ten Hockey Conference, it's a lot easier to sort that stuff out.
I'd agree that TV isn't the driving factor behind adding hockey, but having the BTN is certainly an added incentive for a school like Penn State to add hockey, knowing that they can hop on to something that already has momentum, rather than try to build that media presence from scratch or try to gain entry into one of the few but full stable college hockey conferences.
Handyman
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You have to remember the BTN has very little access to Gopher hockey games because of the FSN deal. Theoretically, they would dissolve that right around the time the new conference would join up.
If the BTHC is really the death knell of college hockey (I still dont think it is but lets run with it) college hockey can do something to help...REALIGN! It has been beaten to death by a few of us, but the fact is the structure as is is not sustainable and is basically a slow death anyways. With the schedule restrictions 12 team conferences are too much. It is so bad the only way to make it work well for everyone is to cut conference games overall. (going to 22-24 games in conference is the best option as is) We have seen teams fold already, UAH is maybe a couple years as an Indy away from dropping to D-2 again and there are teams right now struggling to survive in this supposed "best option". This is not going to work...I am sorry to all of you that love it as is but it is being born out every year.
As is there is no room for expansion, there is not enough games to play and money is scarce. There is 58 teams in D-1 that is not very many. Unless the deck gets shuffled I would bet we will be down to about 55 teams by the time the supposed BTHC is to form. (say 2015)
I don't support the BTHC in principle, but the fact is it does solve the major dilemma...it will force the change that needs to happen anyways.
You have to remember the BTN has very little access to Gopher hockey games because of the FSN deal. Theoretically, they would dissolve that right around the time the new conference would join up.
If the BTHC is really the death knell of college hockey (I still dont think it is but lets run with it) college hockey can do something to help...REALIGN! It has been beaten to death by a few of us, but the fact is the structure as is is not sustainable and is basically a slow death anyways. With the schedule restrictions 12 team conferences are too much. It is so bad the only way to make it work well for everyone is to cut conference games overall. (going to 22-24 games in conference is the best option as is) We have seen teams fold already, UAH is maybe a couple years as an Indy away from dropping to D-2 again and there are teams right now struggling to survive in this supposed "best option". This is not going to work...I am sorry to all of you that love it as is but it is being born out every year.
As is there is no room for expansion, there is not enough games to play and money is scarce. There is 58 teams in D-1 that is not very many. Unless the deck gets shuffled I would bet we will be down to about 55 teams by the time the supposed BTHC is to form. (say 2015)
I don't support the BTHC in principle, but the fact is it does solve the major dilemma...it will force the change that needs to happen anyways.
dggoddard
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Extra tickets sold doesn't count thousands of "No Shows" vs. UAA.
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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I sincerely hate admitting it, but this is probably true.
I sincerely hate admitting it, but this is probably true.
dggoddard
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Now that the conference is completely waterlogged, MN & WI plan on riding off into the sunset. But personally, I'm for offering Minnesota and Wisconsin any sort of a deal to keep them in the WCHA.
Fair enough. But who wanted SCSU, MSU-M, BSU in the conference? Minnesota.
Now that the conference is completely waterlogged, MN & WI plan on riding off into the sunset. But personally, I'm for offering Minnesota and Wisconsin any sort of a deal to keep them in the WCHA.
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Yeah, but UMTC isn't going to making trips up to Duluth, Bemidji, Mankato, and St. Cloud if they don't have to. Thats why I say the Minnesota legistlature ties the Gophers funding to them making apperances at those arenas for one game a year. And if some other school in Minnesota starts up hockey once the BTHC is formed, the Gophers would have to visit them every other year. If they have to, they could sell it as a way for more of the Gopher alumni around the state being able to see the Pride on Ice, along with keeping dollars in state. You start tying Minnesota's hands now with setting things up to be difficult for them in the BTHC, they work harder behind the scenes to push for more of a Big Ten Cup deal.
Then, say a few years pass, and PSU realizes that they can fill their arena most every night with non-Big Ten schools coming in, they talk to OSU, and get them and Bowling Green and Miami to split from the CCHA to form their own league. They grab UAH, Robert Morris, Niagara, Mercyhurst and maybe another western NY squad, gives them nice little league. And that would mean the Big Ten Schools are all going after 3 autobids for the NCAA's, instead of just one. You can't tell me that ESPN wouldn't love seeing an all Big Ten School Frozen Four. Outside of a school named Boston, nobody in Hockey East really captures Joe Sixpack's attention nationally.
Yeah, but UMTC isn't going to making trips up to Duluth, Bemidji, Mankato, and St. Cloud if they don't have to. Thats why I say the Minnesota legistlature ties the Gophers funding to them making apperances at those arenas for one game a year. And if some other school in Minnesota starts up hockey once the BTHC is formed, the Gophers would have to visit them every other year. If they have to, they could sell it as a way for more of the Gopher alumni around the state being able to see the Pride on Ice, along with keeping dollars in state. You start tying Minnesota's hands now with setting things up to be difficult for them in the BTHC, they work harder behind the scenes to push for more of a Big Ten Cup deal.
Then, say a few years pass, and PSU realizes that they can fill their arena most every night with non-Big Ten schools coming in, they talk to OSU, and get them and Bowling Green and Miami to split from the CCHA to form their own league. They grab UAH, Robert Morris, Niagara, Mercyhurst and maybe another western NY squad, gives them nice little league. And that would mean the Big Ten Schools are all going after 3 autobids for the NCAA's, instead of just one. You can't tell me that ESPN wouldn't love seeing an all Big Ten School Frozen Four. Outside of a school named Boston, nobody in Hockey East really captures Joe Sixpack's attention nationally.
Handyman
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Well to be fair, Minnesota has never been (publicly) in favor of the BTHC they just are powerless to stop it.
Well to be fair, Minnesota has never been (publicly) in favor of the BTHC they just are powerless to stop it.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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