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dxmnkd316 said:
Again, see Texas and the SWC. They aren't going to force them to "leave" the big ten, they'll just make it worth their while to drag along the other minnesota schools or make it sufficiently painful to do so.

To your last point, because that's what the legislature does.
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Sorry but this is a pipe dream. The Legislature won't pay more than 2 seconds attention to this and that will only happen if some state senator went to SCSU and wants to pick up some votes. If they are going to screw with the U's budget they dont need some made up excuse to do so they just do it.

Texas was a completely different story and despite the arrogance of the people of this state football in Texas /= hockey in Minnesota. The state may argue with the U trying to get them to stay but as soon as the Big Ten says "either Minnesota leaves the WCHA or they leave the Big Ten" no legislator is going to do anything. If they did they would be cycled out in the next election.

If you want an apt comparison, the State Legislature is to this discussion what Lucia is/was to the BTHC conversation. The U and Lucia have said they arent for such a conference, but when push comes to shove you know they arent going to hold of from joining when it comes to pass. They are coming out against it to look good nothing more.
 
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Sorry if it's already been discussed, but why not concurrence?

If Penn State were to join the CCHA and a BTHC, six of their conference games would double-count. If the schedule for both leagues was simply two games against everyone, that's 22 CCHA games and 10 BTHC games (four of which double-count) - 28 games.

If they play in Alaska, they still can play eight non-conference games, and if not, they can still play six.

As for the non-BTHC schools, with just 22 league games, there are opportunities for more inter-conference rivalries.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Again, see Texas and the SWC. They aren't going to force them to "leave" the big ten, they'll just make it worth their while to drag along the other minnesota schools or make it sufficiently painful to do so.

To your last point, because that's what the legislature does.
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I have no doubt that some legislators will make a bunch of noise to appease their constituents, but I also think that's all it will be - pointless noise.

The SWC example is way off. This isn't a case where one conference is dissolving and a new one is forming. This is a case where Minnesota will have to choose between the Big Ten and the WCHA.

Minnesota will be just fine without the WCHA. Minnesota without the Big Ten, on the other hand, is a big loss.

The Big XII was basically just the SWC renamed, plus the Big 8. That's not what's happening here.

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Wow, it's nice to see a badger that actually gets why a BTHC isn't a smart idea. They seem to be few and far between. Which isn't a knock on UW, I just find it amazing that Wisconsin seems to have a far higher number of BTHC supporters than any other school.
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I think you need to make a distinction on what you'd call a 'smart' idea. If you can't understand why the various powers that be want to see increased Big Ten hockey competition, then how can you ever muster a legitimate argument against it?

The thing is - I know Maturi sees the benefits as well as the concerns. That said, he also has to know that he's powerless to stop this from happening. Best he can hope for is to shape how it evolves.

If I were in his shoes and wanted to try and throw the WCHA a bone, I'd be lobbying for the WCHA to reduce their schedule to 20 or 22 games and let the Big Ten schools use those extra non-conference games to play the Big Ten Cup. That's his only play here. He doesn't have veto power.
 
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Just be sure to add Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue. The BTHC will be a fairly weak conference for about a decade with that motley crew.

I do like the idea of DU, CC, MTU, UNO and the good MN universities in the WCHA. When the University of Arizona and Northern Arizona join the WCHA, it will be a nice warm-weather road trip for all WCHA teams.

Seriously, a BTHC is a bad move. College hockey is currently devoid of the other-sport conference alignment. Let's keep it that way. If for no other reason than to stick it to the NCAA.
 
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3W said:
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but why not concurrence?

If Penn State were to join the CCHA and a BTHC, six of their conference games would double-count. If the schedule for both leagues was simply two games against everyone, that's 22 CCHA games and 10 BTHC games (four of which double-count) - 28 games.

If they play in Alaska, they still can play eight non-conference games, and if not, they can still play six.

As for the non-BTHC schools, with just 22 league games, there are opportunities for more inter-conference rivalries.
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Yes, several of us (Clifton and myself) have been arguing that this is the best course of action for quite some time.
 
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blockski said:
If I were in his shoes and wanted to try and throw the WCHA a bone, I'd be lobbying for the WCHA to reduce their schedule to 20 or 22 games and let the Big Ten schools use those extra non-conference games to play the Big Ten Cup. That's his only play here. He doesn't have veto power.
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Bring back the DQ Cup.
 
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Does the Big 10 have any sports with 6 or more schools that do not participate in a Big 10 Conf?
 
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Would the addition of PSU have to mean the end of the CCHA/WCHA as we know it? Can't PSU join the CCHA and have out of conference games vs. Wisconsin and Minnesota if they want to have an "Ivy League" like title ala the ECAC? Harvard, Cornell, Dartmouth, etc all play in the ECAC but compete for an "Ivy League" title as well.

I just dont see the addition of one team throwing central and western collegiate hockey into a whirlwind. Ultimately, it would mean all the B10 schools would have to agree to leave and join a new league. I just dont see it happening like the doomsdayers here say it will.
 
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One thing to keep in mind who'd want to live and play in Michigan, Ohio, or Penn St when they can live in Boston :D . Seriously though there are other things a recruit considers then if he'd be on a premium sports channel.
 
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Slasher7 said:
...and this is based on what?
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Wishful thinking.

And the hope that somehow fans back East will get worried and force coaches/ADs to block a BTHC or join a "super conference." Any new conferences will consist of the WCHA/CCHA "mid-majors" and the bottom feeders.

I think this is all much ado about nothing. Hockey isn't a cash cow, and won't be a cash cow for the BTN. The BTHC will continue to be a USCHO meme well into the future.
 
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3W said:
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but why not concurrence?

If Penn State were to join the CCHA and a BTHC, six of their conference games would double-count. If the schedule for both leagues was simply two games against everyone, that's 22 CCHA games and 10 BTHC games (four of which double-count) - 28 games.

If they play in Alaska, they still can play eight non-conference games, and if not, they can still play six.

As for the non-BTHC schools, with just 22 league games, there are opportunities for more inter-conference rivalries.
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It's a brilliant idea, and similar to the Ivy schools within the ECAC (as pointed out above).

But most everyone here thinks that it's going to lead to the splintering of the Big10 teams and leave the WCHA and CCHA as shells of themselves.


By far, this is the best solution yet (concurrence). And I get a feeling that Tom Anastos is thinking the same thing, because he wants Penn State in the CCHA.


*edit* The only downside I could see is Minnesota and Wisconsin having to burn through their Non-Conference games to play the CCHA Big10 teams. I floated an idea to get three Big10 teams in each conference, but that was shot down pretty fast.
 
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siouxinminny said:
Just be sure to add Iowa, Northwestern, Nebraska, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue. The BTHC will be a fairly weak conference for about a decade with that motley crew.

I do like the idea of DU, CC, MTU, UNO and the good MN universities in the WCHA. When the University of Arizona and Northern Arizona join the WCHA, it will be a nice warm-weather road trip for all WCHA teams.

Seriously, a BTHC is a bad move. College hockey is currently devoid of the other-sport conference alignment. Let's keep it that way. If for no other reason than to stick it to the NCAA.
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The Ivy league still determines a champion in hockey and chooses a hockey all-league team, while playing within the structure of the ECAC Hockey League. In fact, you can argue that at least some of the Ivies would value the Ivy title more than the ECAC crown if it also carried an automatic bid.
 
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pinch said:
Does the Big 10 have any sports with 6 or more schools that do not participate in a Big 10 Conf?
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The Big Ten offers (schools participating):

* Baseball (Men's)
* Basketball - Men's
* Basketball - Women's
* Cross Country - Men's
* Cross Country - Women's
* Field Hockey (Women's)
* Football (Men's)
* Golf - Men's
* Golf - Women's
* Rowing (Women's)
* Soccer - Men's
* Soccer - Women's
* Softball (Women's)
* Swimming & Diving - Men's
* Swimming & Diving - Women's
* Tennis - Men's
* Tennis - Women's
* Track & Field - Men's
* Track & Field - Women's
* Volleyball (Women's)
* Wrestling (Men's)


A couple of those are 10 teams (Wisconsin doesn't have baseball, Northwestern doesn't have Men's Cross Country, Illinois doesn't have Men's Swimming, etc.)

Only 6 schools sponsor Men's Gymnastics. Only 7 have Men's Soccer.

For the women, 7 schools offer Field Hockey, 7 have gymnastics, 7 have rowing (rowing is not a sanctioned sport for the Men, but many schools have teams).

The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Men's rowing - but that's not really a sport that requires a league to play in, since it's mostly about regattas and other head to head competitions. Several schools have Lacrosse, but I'm not sure if any other sport has 6 or more in a non-conference setting.
 
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blockski said:
The Big Ten offers (schools participating):

* Baseball (Men's)
* Basketball - Men's
* Basketball - Women's
* Cross Country - Men's
* Cross Country - Women's
* Field Hockey (Women's)
* Football (Men's)
* Golf - Men's
* Golf - Women's
* Rowing (Women's)
* Soccer - Men's
* Soccer - Women's
* Softball (Women's)
* Swimming & Diving - Men's
* Swimming & Diving - Women's
* Tennis - Men's
* Tennis - Women's
* Track & Field - Men's
* Track & Field - Women's
* Volleyball (Women's)
* Wrestling (Men's)


A couple of those are 10 teams (Wisconsin doesn't have baseball, Northwestern doesn't have Men's Cross Country, Illinois doesn't have Men's Swimming, etc.)

Only 6 schools sponsor Men's Gymnastics. Only 7 have Men's Soccer.

For the women, 7 schools offer Field Hockey, 7 have gymnastics, 7 have rowing (rowing is not a sanctioned sport for the Men, but many schools have teams).
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I think he was asking if there are any sports where there are six+ schools participating that aren't part of a Big Integer Conference. The answer is probably no, but what other sport has a set-up like hockey?
 
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Priceless said:
I think he was asking if there are any sports where there are six+ schools participating that aren't part of a Big Integer Conference. The answer is probably no, but what other sport has a set-up like hockey?
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Yeah, I've edited my post. The only possibles I can think of would be Men's Crew and Lacrosse, but Crew doesn't really require a league to play in - it's more of a 'meet' sport than a 'game' sport.
 
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I have a question Im sure has been answered but this thread is too long to search.

When is PSU planning on going NCAA DI? any time table
 
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